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[IOU: lots of fish-in-a-barrel trolling]
Need them to lose a few to tamp down the sudden prolixity
Only a draw at Watford but we came back twice to draw 2-2 and Greg Cunningham's out for two months but it might have been a lot longer.
So reasonably happy. Nothing else has happened has it?
However, this Sunday we travel to Old Trafford to gift Manchester United 3 of their annual 6 points that we are contractually obliged to give them
As well as a clean sheet for David de Gea
and laughed, but then got distracted and didn't watch the highlights of whatever game it happened in. Can someone elaborate for me?
To his credit he produced a red card from his pocket while he was writhing around on the ground being treated
Was he joking around or was the player actually sent off?
cue endless 'lovely to see' and 'spirit of the game' sentiments from Arry voice of the people Redknapp
Please to provide link?
It would take a ruined heart not to have some affection for Leighton Baines
Only thing that could make me love him more would be if, instead of constantly sticking up for Ashley Cole, he launched a hateful tirade against him on a podcast of his own making.
McEachran and Carayol are wonderful.
Looking forward to seeing what the performance in the cup will be like
by diving and scything their way to narrow victory
The guy moves fast (nb he doesn't. He has this ridiculously slow trot thing)
Very disappointed with myself. Was going to go and see Stockport Sports (formerly Woodley, now managed by Peter Withe). Didn't go. They won 7-1.
Just watched the Shelvey/Evans incident on Youtube after hearing lots of people losing their shit about it. Could people who aren't angry Liverpool fans, defensive United fans, or conspiracy theorist City supporters give their opinion, please?
I'm not going to take any further part in the debate, but to me it's obvious one player goes in two-footed, head on, and is clearly reckless, and another goes in one-footed and from the side. Both win the ball, both make contact with the other player. In an ideal world, not sure either should be sent off. By the letter of the law, Evans probably ought to have been instead of Shelvey.
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In that it looked worse than it was, and wasn't helped by Evans writing in agony. If I was the ref, I'd almost certainly had done the same. His attitude post-sending off won't help any appeals either.
As for the penalty, no way for me
in the Christmas specials 'You are here an awful lot'...
Not gonna to call ahead.
but I can understand why the ref gave it. It was the type of challenge that always looks a bit over-zealous in real time.
he was needlessly over-aggressive. I used to play with a guy who tackled like that all the time because he knew he could hurt the other guy and usually get away with it because you take the ball as well. He got sent off a couple of times for it, can't complain really. Stupid tackle.
WELL I NEVER
i hope so. send all of the fuckers off.
But on replays I thought it probably was actually.
Evans was off his feet too, but he *looked* more in control, where as Shelvey's looked wild and reckless, and landed studs up on his knee.
Enjoy Sir Alex's troll face when Shelvey stopped for a little chat.
Don't think it was a red for either, but then you see a tackle like Luiz' on Saturday going with only a yellow and everyone being (rightly) outraged about that as well and you start to think that they just can't get it right.
Don't know that it was a pen either frankly. In summary, we were shite and they've got a right to feel aggrieved.
Penalty? Meh, soft, but can see why it was given and the Liverpool shouts weren't.
Blame has to lie with the players rather than the ref though. Argue with his interpretation all you like, but if they're stupid enough to keep going in off the ground/two footed/studs up then they deserve it.
Don't give a ref an excuse to send you off against Utd.
Difference being that, while Shelvey looks barely literate and Evans has always been a bit oafish, Vince really, really ought to have known better
...where both Shelvey's and Evans's challenges do not justify red cards. Therefore, a yellow for both and word in their ear would've sufficed.
However, given the way the law is, I think Shelvey's red was justifiable given that he presented a lot more of a danger than Evans did. Boot was higher, studs more prominent, more reckless etc.
Two things though:
1. Van Persie's challenge late on was just as red card worthy as Shelvey's, the fucking prick.
2. Shelvey deserved a red card for stupidity above all else, by going in two-footed with unfathomable gusto in a completely needless area of the park, in a completely unthreatening situation. I was glad to see him punished in a way and I hope he learns from it.
Man U were lucky with both big decisions camp. I think the red card challenge was six of one half a dozen the other and Valencia went down very, very easily.
I nearly fell asleep, Norwich fans were loud putting toon fans to shame. I'm not one of them.
Away fans are a concentrated group of a club most exuberant supporters. For Norwich as well Newcastle is a big day out (the further from you an away game is the bigger your obligation to get twatted).
Then the home fans people are spread out all over - where I sit at Loftus Road it's all old people, so not much singing near me despite my valiant efforts. Plus for some reason fans who go to away games all the time are a special breed who seem incapable of realising how shit their team is despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Home fans get a breka before coming back for yet another dose of mediocrity
Almost cheekily clawed it back to 2-2 though.
Not sure how I feel about the Arsenal game. For much of the second half I was resolving myself to a 'good' 1-0 loss against a team who can expect to win most of their home games, and it would be hard to argue that it was a bad result but...idk. City looked listless but still very hard to beat, whereas Arsenal (until the second half when they looked knackered, Diaby in particular) looked zippy and class but not good enough to nail it.
Think Giroud should be starting, he's a lot less cackhanded (cackfooted?) than Gervinho. And would have been nice to see The Ox rather than Walcott.
I don't really have much to say to be honest, just wanted to give Lucien a nice long Arsenal post.
Gervinho just has the look of someone who's always about to do the wrong thing.
a lot more even than it felt in the ground. City actually made a lot more chances and if they had of been a bit sharper and got the nailed on penalty then it would have looked like a nice ground out victory.
Arsenal look a lot stronger than last year though and I the other teams at the top are pretty lucky that you didn't keep hold of RVP.
I liked that everyone kept banging on about Bould's influence on the defence, apart from maybe the three minutes after City scored from a really crap corner.
(NB Thought Arsenal defended really well for the most part)
he buried it.
about a year too late.
Absolutely bossed it for the better part of an hour, unlucky own goal and then Spurs were the only team in it.
Hoilett should've equalised though. Why was he dallying so much? PUT YOUR FOOT THROUGH IT
And he was actually really really good.
Dunno what's going on there
And I came face to face with Michael Gove in the bogs.
It wasn't a great day to be honest.
Got a good side together, just aren't getting the rub of the green right now. I think over the course of the season you'll be fine, and won't even be scrapping come May - should be comfortably around 14th by then
we can go to some rugby games instead.
And I'm not really happy with the direction the club's taking where they seem to have forsaken its heritage support base of London based Irish immigrants and second gens in favour of delivering some Irish Pub style faux Irish bullshit *craic* for borish middle England families in the Thames Valley.
Basically all sport is torture and it can all fuck off
but he doesn’t half get a rough ride from the media. No better illustration than when he’s up against a Martin O’Neill side for lazy reporting. Not seen bus parking like what Sunderland indulged in since the champions league final.
Score in the 9th minute and then have two (2) shots on goal the rest of the game (verus 16 from the opposition). As soapy pointed out, Nolan completed more bicycle kicks by himself than Sunderland managed shots on goal the entire game. 250 short passes to 400 from West Ham. 20% long balls to 14% against. Stoke-style time wasting in the last 10 minutes. And the two West Ham CBs spent the final 20 minutes of the game stood 10m inside the Sunderland half.
News reports – ‘typical negative long ball stuff from Allardyce’, not a word about MON. Bit weird
I don't know why the media have ignored the fact O'Neill has done nothing but stick 11 men on the line since he got there. Defending for grim life against West Ham, I'd crawl up and die from the shame if I were a Sunderland fan.
Sessegnon, Fletcher, McLean, Seb Larsson, Adam Johnson when he gets fit - but it seems like Cattermole is the actual inspiration for the team's approach. Bit of a waste of talent.
I was as guilty of judging Allardyce as anyone when he first arrived - and the first 6 months of last season was as ugly as I've seen any football team be. But since then there's a far more varied approach than he ever gets credit for. There are certainly occasional ugly periods, but no more than Moyes, Hughes or O'Neill.
Take job - double the wage bill - make team hard to score against - Stick tall man up front with 2 quick players either side - be shit after easter - claim finishing 11th is an achievment despite having a similar annual spend to Spurs and a 43 man squad
we were all over the shop again
involved build up play of complete misunderstanding and misplaced passing; great finish though.
presuming it goes ahead, the weather here is supposed to turn to shit this afternoon.
Think Blackpool will win, but we've made a decent start, and would go 2nd if we could pull off an unlikely victory. Our Blackpool old boys network are up for getting something at Bloomfield Road. Would be delighted with a point.
Southern is a solid presence in the middle and i'd forgotten you'd brought in Hammill from Wolves, he's handy and in an ideal world would be wearing a Blackpool shirt.
Although having said that, not sure there's a player in the country that I would rather have in the team than Tom Ince at the moment.
Out injured (unless I've missed a miracle recovery). Only possible changes to the team that won at Wednesday is Scannell coming back in for Rhodes, and Gerrard in for the suspended Lynch.
Does Ince play down the left or right? Would be good to see Hunt against him. He's always been great going forward, but can be suspect defensively, though has come on massively over the summer, kept Bellamy quiet for Cardiff.
Really impressed with Southern, he's no nonsense, and lets our ball playing midfielders get on with their jobs.
Just hoping the Blackpool weather doesn't mean it gets called off.
Obviously not completely over the transfer yet.
But if i'm honest he's played just as often on the right, he tends to swap over at least once or twice in a game with Matty Phillips.
Your wingers are pretty scary. It's games like this when you really appreciate what a step up the Championship is from league 1. Kevin Phillips on the bench.
Worst i've seen us play in 2012 though tonight. Evatt and Baptiste looked like they were playing for different sides.
Xisco is more likely to get a game these days
some Championship club will no doubt swallow their pride come the summer
so I get the feeling we're stuck with him unless we can think of a good reason to sack him the way we did with Barton
7 lost in a row in the league now, and no win since March.
Saturday might have been one of the most depressing football matches ever. Wolves didn't even need to break into jog, it was that easy.
Anyone know what the worst ever start to a season is?
around 1989 / 1990 I think it was Sheffield United had accumulated 4 points by Christmas, still survived that season though for the record.
Pegasus on the front, and it says No Bridge To Far on the back
- Divey Chelsea. Not you too, Brana :(
- Kompany's bicycle kick :D Think I'd have been ok with losing to that
- Louis Spence celebrating Rafael's goal - http://tinyurl.com/d7mm7ux
Personally don't think Oscar dived. He wasn't fouled, but I'd say you should give someone so slight moving at pace a bit of credit- even the slightest knock can knock you off your feet and there's plenty of middle ground between being sawn in half and belly flopping on to the turf.
But Iva ... Good lord. If you're gonna do it, at least do it well.
There's no way he should have been booked for diving. Very harsh.
He spent the whole game playing as a centre forward and diving about. He went from tough tackling, man-mountain Serbian defender to Alberto Gilardino in the space of 90 minutes.
when I think of bad kits, I think of Bolton. There's always some "angled bit" or geometric shape that shouldn't be there.
I mean wtf is going on in the bottom half here
reminiscent of the fantastic russia kit from the Euros
That's a massive loss if true. How good actually is coates ?
but I'll never get tired of his mundane-looking middle England name/exotic pronunciation thing.
we've got a lot of defensive cover. if there's one position i'd be not worried about depth-wise, it's that.
- I was certain he'd be sent off as soon as the ref blew up. Didn't necessarily agree with it but was still furious with Shelvey for giving the ref the opportunity to send him off, which he was always gonna do. The game was never going to be as ill-tempered as it usually is and I'd have expected the players to respect that.
- Ferdinand had an amazing game. Suarez was trying to turn him inside out but he gobbled it up every time. Evra was also good against Sterling, which no-one would've predicted.
- United have deserved more at Anfield the past few times we've beat them there than they did yesterday.
- Borini is pants, but Suso is promising. Can someone explain why he took Sterling off for Henderson, cos my head's still spinning at that one.
- Was happy with how we played overall and glad we sang the team off, and gave Rodgers a good singalong too. It'll work for him.
- I got swapped to be right next to the Mancs in the main stand. The only flashpoints was them singing "where's your famous munich song" which we booed, and them doing the plane gestures. I came home thinking how great the whole day went with regards to their Hillsborough abuse and lack thereof, until I saw Sky Sports News. My United mate pathetically tried to claim "It was in response to your victim complex over the refereeing decisions throughout the game."
Shame. But happy with how decent we look considering how thin and young our squad is.
but who are you saying was doing the plane gestures, because it reads like you're saying it was United fans.
it was mad! they were doing them at us, presumably wanting it to kick off.
I've witnessed it twice at Derbies. They make plane gestures at opposition fans, said fans then do it back, then they can kick off.
To me, that's at least as bad as an opposition supporter mocking the crash. They're actually encouraging people to mock it, which just baffles me completely.
i've not been regularly for a couple of years now so i'm not saying you're both talking absolute shit... but hmmmmm
i personally witnessed them doing it at Wembley.
just...beyond my brain, sorry.
This clip's from the Etihad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGuFCDPWfW0
The clip from Anfield appears to have been taken down, perhaps understandably. As above, it looked like it was taken from the away end rather than by home supporters. Maybe have mooch on Twitter or something.
We shouldn't tar all United fans with the same brush. It's obviously a small minority (of a small minority). It seems to be tolerated, though, which at least means it's a bit silly for the supporters present to take any sort of high ground when opposition fans respond.
When i went to Wembley, there were significantly higher numbers doing it before kick-off.
Not a club versus club thing, it just makes me sad. How can other clubs be expected to make progress kicking it out when it's even happening at United?
that's made me feel pretty unhappy. our away support is pretty unpleasant generally but i really didn't believe that. you do tend to get more two games a year wankers paying a week's wage for derby games (my dad always sold ours on for away derbies) kinda hoping it's just them.
Watching it now- tbf the players are all coming across pretty well but fuck me Rogers is a bellsniff.
What's gone right?
2nd in the Championship, just beat Blackpool 3-1 away. Woah.
Tomorrow I'll wake up, and we'll be drawing 1-1 to Bury in League 1.
I can't believe the team I watched tonight. Solid in defence against one of the most potent attacking sides in the division (apart from Tom Ince's great bit of skill for their equalizer I can't remember them having a chance). Bossed the midfield, Vaughan and Novak did a load of work up front and put away their chances.
I'm going to float through the rest of the week. Proud of my team.
Fair play, would be crazy if you even made play-offs this season.
He looked a bit sick on sky. It could be that selling him has given the players a bit of a push to prove that we weren't a one man team, so paradoxically we'd be doing worse if he was still here. It's all conjecture though. He's gone, and we move on, and are very happy at the moment.
Still think we could do with another striker, Beckford on loan would be very nice. I'd still be delighted with a top half finish, but don't think for one second I'm not taking a screenshot of the table as it stands tonight!
Especially now as you have Scannell and Vaughan. The league is ridiculously tight with just 4 points between Huddersfield is 2nd and Palace in 15th.
Being in Manchester was not my favourite thing.