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the people who chucked a hand grenade into someone's front room (as ya do)?
thihnk it says it further down the article.
Dale Cregan (the guy with one eye) has been arrested on suspicion of this police woman murder, and the murders of David and Mark Short. David was killed in a grenade attack in his home, Mark (his son) had been shot in a pub in May.
Gangland Manchester is pretty fucking horrific.
As sad as this is, 'Gangland Manchester' doesn't really exist any more. Infact, i've not even heard the term used for years. These are isolated incidents that you get most big cities, certainly London, sometimes Nottingham, Birmingham, etc, but that's it.
There are still some rough areas around Manchester, like there are anywhere - Wyhthenshawe particularly, Stockport to some extent, but the work the police have done to reduce gun crime in Manchester and Salford over the last decade has been phenomenal, and i speak as someone who lives within walking distance of what was formerly the main hotspot.
I'm just going off this and some Ross Kemp special I saw a few years back. Probably not the best sources of information. This whole story is insane though- not sure I've heard many instances in the UK of grenades being thrown into people's living rooms.
Doesn't seem like a great idea for the preservation of the gang he was in to kill two cops.
Wasn't it just because Gazza turned up with a fishing rod and some KFC?
I think most people outside of Newcastle realised that murdering someone and shooting a policeman in the face was pretty serious stuff.
Bunch of scrotes with a grudge against the Police (probably because they got arrested for punching their missus or had their weed thrown down the drain in lieu of a caution once)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Raoul-Moat-3/101270373261190 < extra troll points for using "end of." within the first paragraph.
it's like something out of a film. man and his son shot dead, grenades through peoples' houses, police officers killed. seems even weirder when it's pretty much the place you grew up this is all going on.
best wishes to the families of those two officers, two young women killed just doing their jobs. heartbreaking stuff.
People killing eachother is unfortunate enough, but for a guy to lure two female police officers somewhere and murder them, well, that's just unspeakably tragic.
Like that Raul Moat guy and Tony Bird dude lost their heads after things went wrong - this guy just handed himself in?! Something fishy about this
why bother killing them after getting them out with the intention of killing them then handing yourself in. Just seems insane ( which he possibly is, of course)
and wanted to go down as a legend amongst people of that persuasion. Handing himself in stops him being killed during arrest.
Might be the case that he thinks he's safer inside than on the streets?
but i'm watching itv news and there's this weird emphasis theyre placing on the fact that both police officers were women, as though two unarmed men unaware of the situation would have had a better chance of surviving the attack of a man with a gun and grenades.
I'm not quite sure what could have been done to prevent them being killed. They get a call saying there's been a burglary, they're not going to go in mob-handed. I'm not sure whether the police even knew that Cregan lived there.
The Police Federation have done surveys in the past of their members and 80% of them think that it's a bad idea for police to be routinely armed. I think we just have to accept that on the odd occasion, terrible incidents like this will occur.
you give police guns as a matter of course and the firearms death numbers would multiply for both police and public. no doubts in my mind.
Not sure it's really backed up by any logic, but women being killed violently is sadder than men meeting the same fate. Just is.
but it did feel a bit suspect.