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it is not at all nice, it depresses me that someone has made this and that others will watch it
oh god I'm suddenly DaddyorChips
I've dropped 2 funnies today that have been ignored. Tough crowd,
I nominate Cannibal Holocaust and Human Centipede 2. both rubbish and nasty. same with that Russian one I've seen but can't remember, The Green something
didnt help it was filmed on what looked like a Nokia Camera phone
it isn't quite as nasty and degrading as cannibal holocaust which I'm pretty sure features actual footage of stuff really dying just for the films sakeansd is pretty racist
and it's absolutely vile, really quite troubling actually.
the first human centipede is surprisingly alright, the second one is just everything that could be wrong with it is. it's got quite a good concept though i guess
The guy who played the villain dude was in some shitty student project they filmed at the pub I lived at with my flatmate.
kinda. the main guy in it is actually a good actor. but it's horribly filmed, for some reason in black and white and the violence is a lot more gratuitous and just mean-spirited whereas the first is quite camp shock
I think it is a highly original film and quite thought provoking. I'd agree that the real life animal killing scenes are possibly unnecessary but they were used for food.
and I'm unsure as to whether cutting a turtle's shell off or chopping the top of a monkeys head off would be a nice snack
Human Centipede 2
there is something not quite right about some artistic freedoms (I cant help but think it must influence some onlookers in a negative (for society and others) way.
I realise that you cant censor/ban stuff, but.......
these sort of things make me question my values of liberal freedoms'
claiming it was the worst thing he'd ever seen with Grotesque as a close second. August Underground's Mordum is the worst I've read about. I'll live without seeing that.
A vile vile film. Was going trough a horror phase and tried to find the most depraved film out there, it won.
See also (or don't) Guinea Pig Flowers of Flesh and Blood.
I think that my belief in freedom of artistic expression lost
decided it's probably not one for me.
I think it should be banned.
and I think that the makers could be prosecuted (I would feel happier if they were)
I suppose I shouldnt have posted on here, but Im a bit traumatised and so I wanted to share, to see what other peoples feelings were about this sort of thing.
It has basically turned me into Mary Whitehouse
Just curious. It's pretty notorious.
'best' most disturbing films (and since he had praised eraserhead and a clockwork orange as being good disturbing films, i thought I should be brave and see what the disturbed part of the population watches (you know cos Im a dad, and from the past and our idea of video nasties was 'the evil dead'), so got to watch it off the interweb and, well, I didnt watch it all I looked then I stopped looking, looked again then stopped looking, then felt really bad that I had looked at all......I hadnt heard of it up untill this dutch bloke 'recommended it' and I wasnt actually prepared for the worse stuff in it at all.
I felt bad because I forced myself to try to watch something that I shouldnt have, because I wanted to not be 'weak'
but i was mistaken, its just horrible, I didnt get all the themes from what the guy said in his review.
Basically there are obviously a lot of sick f***s
and the terrible thing is I am scared that my youngest son is impressionable and might end up with drunken mates egging each other on to watch this sort of thing (not really a worry as specific aas this, but I just thought I need to keep abreast of the horrors that are out there for them)
Also, did you see the full version or the wussified BBFC cut?
It's so stupid and OTT that it's impossible to take seriously or be scared by it.
The "New Born Porn!" bit just made me laugh, the acting's awful.
Well desensitised is the wrong word, but almost slightly nonplussed about what I was seeing.
I found that scene in This Is England '86 where the girl gets raped way more hard to come to terms with as it was set in a fairly usual 80's domestic setting (you know the sort where it looked like the sort of living room your parents might have had 30 years ago).
to show a proportion of the population that someone who you knew CAN force someone against their will.
There seem to be a prop0ortion of idiots who think that this cant happen
And then complain about being disturbed by said disturbing film?
or some boobs
I have a morbid curiosity to know what my sons might be exposed to, and when I was younger I found things like 'the evil dead' to actually be great fun, despite the notoriety.
I have now seen and judged that we have gone 'too far'
Threads like this only make idiots like me more interested in seeing this fucked up shit as well. Don't know why, I read the synopsis and it just sounds like sensationalist bullshit
And it's good to see that you're concerned about what your kids might be exposed to in the future, but I find the moral outrage over things like this uncomfortable. The sad fact is there's an audience out there for films like this – people who will find artistic merit in it. With this argument I'm very much on the side of, if you don't like it, don't watch it.
And at at the end of the day, there will come a time when you can't help what your kids are exposed to – you just have to be able to explain this kind of stuff and put it into context when that happens. That's the difference between raising them well and bringing up a murderer.
my thread might not just be about the film, but also about me and how I have changed, or how as you get older, the things that you thought were ok (I thought evil dead was great and was against any censorship of the 'worst films' at that time) change as you age.
Maybe your brain does not cope as well with 'new shocks' as you get older.
I am perfectly willing to accept this concept, without it changing my opinion on the film
and the likes of Evil Dead were all kinda schlocky, ridiculously over the top so they were kinda fun and passable
nowadays, film makes who wanna shock just think of the nastiest thing they can and roll with it
its gut reaction
I only want them to be prosecuted to deter and stop people from making such things because I dont want society to have these things knocking around too much, because i think that its not a good idea,
And I respect you for watching it and making your own mind up instead of jumping on a bandwagon. But even though you didn't like the film, it's still made you reflect on what's important to you and how you view the world, which suggests to me that (grotesque as it might be) it's served some kind of purpose.
The danger of these kind of films is the people who watch it and get a boner over it – that's more concerning than what any film could portray in my opinion.
I am(was) avidly against censorship and pro freedom, however I found myself questioning my values in this regard.
Im not demanding this, just saying that as a previous believer I am not questioning this
not 'not questioning this'
The only reason I watched Irreversible was because I was told it was a great movie despite the certain bits. I'd agree that cinematically it's very impressive.
The first time involved James Franco and a fire extinguisher.
And i mean that in a serious/cinematic sense and not a prurient one.
Shame that in all Noe's films i've seen he squanders the most amazingly crafted sound and imagery, genuine filmmaking innovation and true transgression and shock with TV-movie levels of moralistic cliche and literalism in the plot. Enter the Void was even worse in that respect, and also for utterly failing to deliver on some of the most blatantly telegraphed exposition i've seen in a film for ages. What he's said in interviews that the film is about is simply NOT what the film itself presents in cinematic language.
Didn't think Cannibal Holocaust was that bad either.
and lots of blood right?
I went to the UK premiere at the Prince Charles Cinema and the writer / director and producer were both there and introduced it and did a Q&A afterwards. Everyone who asked a question got a free 'A Serbian Film' poster for their troubles. I wondered what kind of person would hang that on their wall.
The version they showed was the cut BBFC version, and they talked A LOT afterwards about how the film is really about how the Serbian people got fucked by their government... fucked to death by a long, hard cock in the eyeball obviously.
I've not seen that in years, I remember making a massive effort to get a copy on VHS when it was still banned. Then I accidentally recorded over it.
I showed it to some mates who were absolutely outraged, one guy said that not only were the people who made it sick, but the people who watched that kind of thing were sick too. Proper outraged like...
never again will anybody be able to casually say 'hey, let's watch a serbian film' or 'it's by a serbian film director'. idk if that's a thing that happened much before but
there's only the odd bit which warrants a so called 'shocking response'
all this ridiculousness about prosecuting the film makers is stupid reactionary rubbish. the film is not without some merits with regards to storytelling, however ham-fisted the proper 'message' is. i thought the main actor guy was alright as it goes.
but I still can't watch anyone being happy in a British film without expecting them to commit suicide in the next scene.