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Have we all seen the latest developments? Shit just got grim.
Without sounding like an insensitive dickhead.
What a horrible, horrible thing to hear.
missing for a week
questioned the main suspect and last person to see her alive
now he's whereabouts unknown and it turns out the body's been literally under everyone's nose all this time
hadn't followed the search that much but it looks like the police thought she was there before they found her.this is so horrific.
Police had already searched the house twice?!
oh god, he must have hidden inside a wall or something
In a terraced house like that it seems still far to much time. Probably floorboards
with a forensic team and sniffer dogs in a terraced house that they'd already searched twice
but it's not unusual for the police to 'play' the prime suspect by allowing them enough time and confidence to do something stupid.
There have been numerous cases of missing persons over the years where the police already have a good idea what happened, but wait until the suspect provides them with enough evidence to trap themselves.
asked pretty much the same below
Police will often encourage suspects to do public things (ie appear on press conferences) so that they can study oral language and body language.
Also, the general public will always have their opinion (to which they are entitled) but many fail to appreciate that a huge amount of intellgience will, quite properly, have been withheld from them and that none of us can actually draw conclusions as to why police dogs went to x or y at a or b time. There are a lot of lateral tactics at play.
That poor girl. i don't think anybody imagined there could be a positive outcome in this (short of a shannon matthews type scenario- yet another lovely bit of press speculation in recent days.)Really awful.
if they suspected someone from the family, why did they let this chump give them the slip? surely, you'd keep tabs on anyone even remotely connected, until you put all the pieces together? or is there something in the law that says you're not allowed to tail someone without some sort of reasonable evidence?
Very sloppy. You can tail whoever the fuck you like if you'rs the police, within reason.
I've heard (absolute speculation- Croatian friend, etc) that the mother has not been seen for a while and, whilst not necessarily under suspicion, there is apparently a separate file open re. her. It's an absolute clusterfuck, especially since the biological mother used to be in a relationship with the 'step-grandfather'.
clusterfuck is probably a highly inappropriate word in this instance
I've only heard it's preliminary concerns, and could be absolute bull.
and they don't know where he is though?
And as said before, we just don't know what has happened, beyond the bare facts released to the press.
Man, this is why I couldn't be in the police or criminal litigation. I don't know how may old boy did it :(
It wasn't a comment to criticise the police
rather that behind this comment was a scenario in which I imagined what lengths the murderer must have gone to that evening to hide the body if that's what it too to find it
(although some people's incredulity, understandably, comes across that way.)
They've arrested the absonder now, so the process will gather momentum now, I imagine.
have been done in by their relatives. is this a new thing?
For all the newspaper stories about stranger danger, the vast majority of murders, child abuse, rapes etc. are committed by someone who knows the victim.
Much as it is always seems insensitive for the police to question the family too much in these situations due to the horrific nature of the grief that they're feeling, realistically doing that is usually the quickest way to the truth...
My father spent most of his career as a criminal advocate and he says there's a vg reason why those closest to the victim are always under the spotlight first. In the vast majority of cases, they are to blame.
Surely the house and surrounding areas would/should have been thoroughly searched on day one?
Don't want to make any accusations, but i think we probably can put two and two together given the developments.
Depressing how often gut feelings prove accurate in these short of cases. They say don't judge a book by its cover, but...y'know, you can a lot of the time.
and then that happens is quite frankly something so scary and nauseating I can't even put it in to words.
if you murder children, you're probably also the sort of person who murders your own children :(
Of all the child murders (and abuse and violence) in the UK, the majority of them are committed by the parents, and a lot of the rest by close family members. I.e. if you're a child murderer, it's like that it was your own child that you murdered.
Does anyone know how old the grandmother is?
It's interesting, one of the traditional deterrent factors of a custodial sentence used to be the shame element. The embarrassment of having to explain your past, where you had been etc etc. However, when a large proportion of your friends/acquaintances/neighbours have 'been away' too that becomes utterly redundant.
I know a local woman who was a grandmother at 29!
It's a different world down South, it really is.
Which I remember with the Soham murders was the first indication the police had of who had done it.
It is very telling that the police will allow these,maybe in this case they had found the body but were waiting for the cunt to run to make a conviction easier
It says that Hazel, the Grandmother and the step-dad claim to have visited a local funfair in Addiscombe looking for Tia and asked for entry to search for her after it had closed. But today the funfair claim that they didn't visit at all. Seems a bit weird for all three to lie.
Hazel also got Addiscombe muddled up with Orpington, which are no where near each other really.
Rope offered, evil beast used it.
now that the police have admitted they searched the attic and missed the body.
Talking about how the atmosphere was 'tense' at the press conference where the step-granddad was pleading for her returning and implying that it all seemed suspicious - definite contempt on the cards there.
Didn't see the thing you were talking about but that sounds pretty minor and judges have been pretty reluctant to bring a contempt proceeding against media coverage in the pre-trial process. If there's otherwise enough evidence for the jury to concentrate on, it's unlikely there's gonna be a substantial risk that they'll be seriously prejudiced. Not gonna comment on the evidence here but yeh he's gonna have a hard time pleading not guilty...
but things like this always remind that I don't just dislike the media/press ... I'm viscerally disgusted by them.