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or getting a new kitchen fitted
>It insisted that declines in application rates to the most sought-after universities were higher among students from middle and upper-class backgrounds who are less likely to benefit from a generous system of grants and bursaries.<
It is probably a good thing
I'm a lot more concerned about what lifting the cap on ABB students is going to do - marketise HE even more than it already is, create a more pronounced hierarchy between institutions and push students from poorer backgrounds (with lower grades than ABB on average) out of elite universities. It's also putting pressure on Russell Group universities to make course closures fall on undegrad courses that aren't seen as prestigious/don't require ABB e.g. nursing.
+ whatever the overall numbers are, there are still tens of thousands of people who should be going to university but, purely because of their economic background, aren't.
I went to a pretty shite school in the Midlands and ended up with 3 B's at A-Level. My requirements for my course were way lower than many of my course friends who went to Private schools. Though I ended up with a better/equal degree classification than all of them.
One would hope that Universities get this, and that grades aren't always indicative of ability, but it remains to be seen how this will go.
I'm a strong supporter, obvs. Apparently I went to the 50th best state school in Scotland though.
And that trend you mentioned of state educated students with the same a levels outperforming their private school counterparts is pretty common at the sort of BBB section of the spectrum, then you get universities who seem to have an actual bias in favour of privately educated applicants .
Their hands are still tied cause everyone on <ABB is subject to restrictions on how many students can go to each university. And the university gets fined something like Ten grand per student for not complying.
For 2013/14 entry, HEIs can recruit however many students they like who have obtained ABB+ (or other qualification equivalent to this) at 'A' levels. The HEIs will receive a quantum of government funding for each of these if they are in high cost subjects (e.g. medicine, lab science) and nothing at all if they are in lower cost subjects (e.g. History, Art & Design). Although of course they will receive the tuition fees for these students (HEIs used to receive a quantum of funding for students in both high and low cost subjects, by the way).
HEI's have had individual caps imposed on how many fundable students they are allowed to recruit who have qualifications below this level. If they exceed the cap, they will have their goverment funding reduced accordingly.
That's basically it, but institutions who charge less than the £9,000 maximum fee are able to recruit more students with lower grades.
/It insisted that declines in application rates to the most sought-after universities were higher among students from middle and upper-class backgrounds who are less likely to benefit from a generous system of grants and bursaries./
lolololololol only in this country could the pittance you get be described as "generous"
tbh people should be less concerned about fees and more concerned about how difficult it is to live on the loans you get in most of the country.
for every student. Even foreigners and rich kids.
unless you believe further education should be restricted to those with parents who can support them
or further increase the fees (to make up for the shortfall of the 15000 that they they wont be getting payments for)
Its a laugh innit, this miserygoround
there's no even spread
a handful or more will go bust and have their buildings turned into luxury flats, the others will get a bigger market share
A family friend went to Cambridge for this exact degree. Her mum never shuts up about her daughter being at Cambridge. Had to bite my lip last time to avoid yelling out 'TO STUDY A FUCKING POINTLESS WASTE OF TIME SUBJECT THAT NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO'
I presume you mean the Anglo Saxon, Norse & Celtic department (Asnac). I'd be interested to hear why you think it's a 'pointless waste of time' subject. Do you feel the same about English? History? Art History? Theology? Economics? Where do you draw the line?
I'm sorry, Celtic Studies is a waste of time at Undergraduate level. I can hazard that 75% of the students who apply do so because their needy grammar school tells them it'll give them the best chance of getting in, as was the case with the family friend. She's now a flaming Management Consultant of course. Hope she's really making use of all that norse and celtic language she learnt there. And of course just going to a Russell Group university to study English or History would be far too beneath her, right? The end result would have been the same.
I have no problem with the people who actually are interested in this and want to pursue a career in archaeology or historical documentation. But they are a tiny minority there for courses like that. And you can bet that Oxford and Cambridge will be preserved wholesale because of prestige, while other universities are forced to bow to economics and cancel courses which are undersubscribed or which are deemed to be 'mickey mouse'. It's a pure creation of university for the exceptionally privileged and a denial of resources to those who are bright enough but lack the confidence or the profile to get into Oxbridge.
And yes I did get rejected from Oxford before you ask. I don't think whatever bitterness you might falsely ascribe to this tirade can cancel out my essential point here.
Which I of course believe in the value of, even if only 25% of the intake really cares.
But if cuts happen they have to hit across the board at the very least. And I just don't see that being the case.
I would loooooove to do celtic studies at cambridge
But I would never have been able to do that
I don't want any university cuts at all.
...that media studies would be mentioned in the first ten comments under that story. Fourth for the charm :)
Actually they blamed them on ADVERTISING. Fucking twats.
1) Highest youth unemployement ever
2) Trippling of university fees
3) Student portests violently quashed just weeks previous
4) Expensies scandal
5) Global economic collapse caused by banking
6) Widespread closure of sports and youth facilities
It was like a whammy of isolationism for the young. Like the privileged too what they wanted, didn't adhere rules of conduct whilst simultaneously taking from the young any form of opportunity.
As one bloke said "Stealing trainers isn't political but the reasons behind stealing trainers is political"
Not to mention an unarmed man being shot by police in the street.
Riots don't just happen. They never have "just happened" and they never will. There's always reason. Multiple reasons. And the government concluded that it was "aggressive advertising" that caused the riots. Fucking cunts.
This entire post has nothing to do with the thread really. I just wanted a rant as I'm still annoyed about it.
Fell better now, cheers.
15,000 more 2:2s in Sociology.
By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
It's more likely to be 15,000 extra graduates at the moment with 2:2s in Combined Studies and Art History, who would then have gone on to fill all the unpaid internships in the numeeja companies of London.
1) obviously a factor, yes
2) the rioters and your aspiring pre-graduates- completely different group of people bar the odd exception
3) and 4) these people, their world ends where their estate ends. They couldn't give a shit about these
5) i think the same culture that caused the collapse, also kept these people disenfranchised, Both are collapse and riots may be symptoms, neither are cause
6) I'll go with that although it's a small reason
There's plenty more reasons, and I could go on at length about the way we talk about/treat young people, but I'm feeling lazy so please forgive me.
Only another 500,000 or so to go.
I was watching that German decathlon dude at the time, probably just a coincidence