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a lot of non western medicine is focused around energy, spirituality, the power of the mind.. so not really something you can prove in a lab
so therefore practitioners should be exempt from having to prove it works?
Theories/treatments can be properly judged/evaluated.
statistical evidence (i.e. thousands of years of non-Western culture)? Or poking around in the brain to see what electrodes are firing (the brain not being the centre of the body in holistic medicines)?
As in doing tests on how a patient was before the treatment and how a patient was at the end and measuring whether they've got better. The statistics you talk about in non-Western culture don't actually exist (there's no data that patients got better) and pretty much all non-Western countries use 'Western medicine' (as you call it) rather than their traditional remedies for the simple reason it's more effective.
but a walk around Chinatown is enough to show that these practices are still in place in other parts of the world. And no, maybe there is no statistical evidence, but thousands of years of anecdotal evidence is something of note. I just find it interesting that there's this whole other system of medicine that isn't based around treating single malfunctioning parts of the body, but focuses on the body in its entirety. And everyone is quite happy to write it off completely
I'd also be interested to see statistics showing what effect a lifetime of Oriental medicine, yoga, meditation etc. has on the body (rather than just when it's used in desperation). Although there would obviously be other contributing factors yadayada
Thousands of years of anecdotal evidence is sort of something until you think about thousands of years in Britain of wisewomen claiming nettle soups or certain plants cured certain ailments. And there was sometimes truth in it but, in almost all cases, it was due to a chemical or an aspect of the treatment that could be (and frequently is) synthesised into mainstream medicine.
For example herbal medicine would claim that the bark of the willow tree cures certain ailments. This is true and, as a result, Salicylic acid (found in the bark of the tree) is now used in aspirin.
Certainly yoga and meditation are pretty much mainstream treatments now and there certainly is evidence both of them do plenty of good for your general health and wellbeing. The theory that many people have mainstream medicine is closed-minded and refuses to consider non-Western treatments is nonsense - they're frequently used as and when they work.
The problem is that, if it's not regulated and people don't accept the need for a burden of proof before accepting something as a cure, then any charlatan can claim anything works.
and perhaps western medicine is taking on certain aspects of non-western medicines (clunky differentiations notwithstanding)
but i was asking about what DiS thinks about about this branch of medicine. "Load of hippy bullshit" was the response I expected and got
it wouldn't disprove or prove a thing. By all means be interested, but it would be a waste of your time if you want to learn anything from it.
Things that aren't medicines are called treatments instead. They're still testable.
Countless independent tests have been done on the quite simple criteria of whether the patients get better and there's no evidence the patients do. So it's fair to say it doesn't work.*
*That said, there is actually a fair amount of evidence that the placebo effect (i.e. power of the mind) does have an impact in, for example, reducing pain. But it's dangerous when people then claim it works on more complex issues.
it's harder for pharmaceutical companies to make huge piles of money out of it, and so much less research is done into their effectiveness or into the biochemical processes, etc. than into developing patentable pharmaceuticals.
a lot of 'alternative medicine' doesn't deal with specific diseases (e.g. diabetes or breast cancer), more with quite vague conditions and ailments (e.g. hair loss / fatigue / coughs and colds).
If I know anything about Pharma its that such minor ailments are a goldmine for them, because a huge number of people suffer from them. I would wager that GSK probably makes more money out of Panadol, Nicorette, or any other 'consumer healthcare product' than any of its clinically prescribed drugs.
If there were an alternative therapy that were demonstrated to work Pharma would be all over it in a flash. Essentially most alternative therapies would be consumer healthcare products if indeed they could be shown to actually work.
certain herbs have biological effects. Seems unfair to lump naturally occurring goodness in with made-up bollocks like homeopathy.
But that 99.999999999% of any success it has is down to a)the placebo effect, and/or b)the fact that people are getting someone to spend time with them.
I think that the NHS could learn a lot by investigating there two factors.
For example colonic irrigation is based around a medical device that's used to treat genuine medical problems (i.e if your muscles around your don't function properly and you can't empty your bowels properly). Frankly it's a bit offensive when someone takes a genuine medical problem, spins a web of bullshit around it and makes a killing.
Death By Irrigation
but homeopathy? That is just utter bullcrap. You are paying good money for plain water.
western medicine/non western medicine?
I can't function in the morning without all of them.
mixed with honey it's a thousand times better than anything for a cold ever
don't care for the rest of it
non-Western medicine? a broad concept. some of the herbal/natural treatments work, and have been taken up and processed into the western medication we all rely on.
homeopathy? If I had to defend the existence of human race to aliens and they would ask why so many millions of people believe in homeopathy, that might be a reason enough for me to rest my case and just tell them to release the killer robots to get it over with.