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works for them/works for me. end of
are legally bound to declare all their earnings right? So they would be in the wrong if they do not do that, not the person paying them.
this is only if you consider avoiding tax to be 'morally wrong'.
I think the point is that paying a cleaner in cash is morally wrong - only if the reason for paying in cash is for the cleaner to avoid paying tax.
If you pay the full amount in cash and it is then declared by the cleaner in self-employed tax returns, then it's fine.
Or the writer of the OP?
Just wanted to see the righteous anger.
rather than the rich and super rich who get away with millions and billions in tax avoidance. tory wankers
Especially as this government seem even less inclined to chase down tax evasion and close loopholes leading to tax avoidance by the massively wealthy and corporations than any government in recent history.
One could argue that if one pays one's cleaner in cash, one is simply taking one's moral compass from those at the top and those in power.
The tax avoidance/evasion that is really costing the country billions and billions of pounds, and to scapegoat some of the most vulnerable and exploited people in the country.
Divide and rule.
And tax avoidance £70bn.
(And benefit fraud £1bn)
We should seek to minimise all of those, obviously, but when you make inland revenue staff combating corporate and high level evasion redundant (who bring in many times more revenue than they cost the country), it makes it pretty obvious where your priorities lie.
not an announcement or whatever.
Your language is hilarious though. My dad runs his own Gardening business and regularly takes case (all above board mind!)- Don't think he would describe himself as "some of the most vulnerable and exploited people in the country".
don't worry tho. so am i
Just copy and pasted the headline.
Far exceeds people like your father.
So, in terms of announcements, they gave precedence to the bigger avoiders, and are now following up with a smaller, but still financially important, group of tax avoiders.
announced to placate one of the coalition party's bases.
He looks like a cartoon villain.
Via online banking? They still need to declare it and pay tax on it themselves. He may as well criticise people for paying market stallholders cash in hand for buying some apples.
So how you choose to pay them doesn't really matter that much.
The thread on this very topic from last year or the year before was an underrated classic.
it's a start isn't it?
(He's an MP, so I assume he's guilty of this...)
who claimed over 10k in expenses in order to dodge paying stamp duty on his house? The same David Gauke who is married ... to a lawyer who specialises in tax avoidance? Tory party hypocrisy? Who knew?!
you need to get a life.
I like it.
Worth it for the last paragraph alone.
Not multi nationals, international banks, Vodafone, Top Shop, numerous millionaires and billionaires for avoiding millions and millions in tax every year?
Are they fucking kidding? They let Vodafone off $6billion and now it's OUR fault the economy is fucked because of CLEANERS?!
when it fits in with their pre-conceived prejudices.
If this was a story on immigration, for example, you'd all be falling over yourselves to rubbish it.
Also, the DM is a right wing, Tory supporting paper.
Also also, all my points were valid.
So IN YOUR FACE YOU TORY TROLL.
If anything, the Government is taking exactly the same approach to huge multi-national tax avoidance as it is to cleaners - it's doing nothing.
No policies/laws have come out to stop cash in hand work as a result of this story, so you're point that they're 'targetting' painters and decorators and ignoring Vodafone etc is bollocks.
For example, by getting quotes into a newspaper and stuff.
For example, all the stories in the papers last week about Ministers calling for millionaire tax avoiders to be named and shamed.
from the Tax Justice Network, estimating that £21tn of tax is avoided, not by ministers trying to initiate a news cycle themselves.
Whilst actively allowing Vodafone to skip tax.
Not the same at all IS IT.
That's the point.
The only difference is that Vofadone etc's tax avoidance is legal, cash in hand work is not.
that's why the HMRC was building a case against them (before Osborne forced them to abandon it).
Cash in hand work is totally legal - if the payee declares it.
and even if they don't declare it, it's a drop in a ocean of tax avoidance by their chums.
This is not a "Tory bashing" thing. It's a political/elite bashing thing.
it definitely does not support the government.
They do not even consider this to be a Tory government and any support they would offer to it is solely on the basis that they and their readers consider Labour to be even worse. They are as anti-coalition as the Guardian, but their attack is based on the premise that they are not right wing enough rather than too right wing.