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- no other Jokers considered
- no fence-sitting
- no needless oversentimentality
that's like asking if you prefer a punch in the face or getting a nice blowie
As with most Nicholson roles. Which is in no way a bad thing but.... Ledger was far far better. Guess you're going for Jack to wind up indie bedwetters though?
I even read a piece comparing the two earlier this week which said Nicholson's was "genuinely creepier, edgier, scarier, more unhinged".
Guess it's a generational thing to some extent, as well. If you're, say, 25, you might prefer Nicholson's version. If you're, say, 16, you might prefer Ledger's simply because it was of your time?
Definitely didn't seem more unhinged to me - if I'd seen The Dark Night aged 7, Ledger's would have freaked me out much more I reckon.
Keaton>Bale though. Obviously.
And that is absolute shite.
all Nicholson had to do was be brilliant (which he was) to completely become the definitive Joker in my eyes, Ledger had to be brilliant (which he was) but in some ways be a bit extra special on top of that to displace Jack in my estimations just because I've spent so long with his portrayal being what the Joker is to me.
1) Fuck your rules
2) The whited-out mustache
best laugh too.
personally I love Nicholson's as it just seems to fit the way I think about the character that little bit better, and because he has moments of being so OTT and completely silly it makes the swing to his more nasty moments that much more unpredictable and sinister for me.
Both are still great, but if I was to think of the Joker it would be Jack's performance that would come to mind immediately.
Ledgers was probably a bit more mental.
I really like ledgers but enjoy watching nicholsons more.
Jack Nicholson's Joker is just Jack Nicholson in make up.
I like the story from Michael Caine that when they first saw Ledger (when they were filming the penthouse party bit) everyone was so scared they forgot their lines
If you've ever been at a party with a bunch of luvvies you'll know that what we consider to be hyperbole is just the tip of the iceberg.
(Great bunch 'o lads and all that, though.)
like i have heard of daniel day lewis stomping around punching people and claiming it's fine because ACTOR but still. you'd just tell him to chill out. i can act really well without all that fuss. in and out of character. in and out.
I'm kind of glad he gave up his whole *I'm such a brilliant actor but I'm not going to do it anymore* schtick and came back and everyone realised he was a bit of a ham.
Bunch of poncey fucks. Normal luvvies are generally alright.
After Gangs of New York, Day-Lewis's wife, director Rebecca Miller (daughter of playwright Arthur Miller), offered him the lead role in her film The Ballad of Jack and Rose, in which he played a dying man with regrets over how his life had evolved and over how he had brought up his teenage daughter. During filming he arranged to live separately from his wife in order to achieve the "isolation" needed to focus on his own character's reality. The film received mixed reviews.
Before, I just thought he was a common, mid-level bellend. Having read his whole wiki biography I'm upgrading him to 'Sting' status.
Mainly because of that man's face
And Laurence Olivier was like *Why don't you try acting old boy*
never get tired of that one
much like sand people.
Obviously we'd only had the campy 60s version before that and in the field of films there was pretty much Superman and that was it.
When you look back at that first film now it's amazing how perfectly he manages to bring a comic to film. Yeah it's a bit dark but it's also massively camp and perfectly balanced. Keaton's dreadful but great; Nicholson's just playing Nicholson but it's just what the film needed. And what a great score.
Nolan's films would still be the Batman's I'd reach for but that's because they're simply excellent film making on a different level in terms of directing, writing and acting. But there's not a lot between them.
Burton nailed that absurdity/brutality comic vibe in the 2nd one. Superior I reckon.
But not a Batman film at all. Just a Tim Burton one with some Batman characters in it. The Penguin being carried around by a bunch of guys in suits was a scene I don't think I will EVER forgive or forget.
Plus Catwoman looked the part but was incredibly tiresome.
like the way you say that some of the characters are and that are you just not liking it because of the way they were in comics?
His first main scene involvs him walking into a room saying 'hoo ha hee hee'. He loses interest when it looks like he's winning the fight for Gotham / chaos. His last scene sees him fighting with Batman and then saying 'I don't wanna kill you. You complete me. We will be doing this forever...'
So in those scenes I think they got it spot on regardless of his portrayal, which was dark but always with a slight sense of (very dark) humour, something I only really got upon rewatching it last weekend actually after thinking on first watch that there wasn't even a gag in there.
Nicholson was good but falling in a tub of acid, never really changing except via his costume, no really menace to his plots... He LOOKS the part, but that's where it ends.
I still think there's room for a reboot in 6 years time or something to 'do' the definitive Joker. And I also love Hammill's performance of him in the cartoons.
And The Joker goes *Very poor choice of words!* and drops Rachel
Brilliant scene that.
And where he asks the cop 'How many of your friends have I killed?' and mouths back '6?'
And the bit where he goes to drink the champagne and deliberately spills it all before he can sip any. And the bit where the bank manager shoots at them, he has a think about how many shots have been fired and he tells the goon he's out. And the bit where the detonator stops working at the hospital. And the bit...
I find it hard to believe though that you weren't amused when he's asking thingy (forget his name) how many of his cop friends he's killed when he's in the cell.
Like when he says 'Now THERE'S a Bat Man'. And 'So... why so serious?' And the cackle he does in this eerie videos he sends to the news station.
At the time I was too scared of his knife (I love how he has a potato peeler in his pocket of weapons) or trying to catch up with the plot to notice many of them.
at the fake Batman vigilante guy. Fuck. Me. If that was all Ledger and not computer whizz fakery ...
He was lead growler donchaknow...
but that Ledger's performance genuinely was incredible.
Impossible to dislike Jack Nicholson in anything though.
and he's just wailing with laughter.
when 3 gobby little 8 year olds pick on you.
ALL THE WAY
apart from all the other reasons, elizabeth should have breasts. heaving bosoms.
wathcing both it appears that the 2005 version of elizabeth is basically a cut back verison of the 1995 version, even down to the vocal ticks.