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He got out his British Passport and they let him go.
He isn't allowed to back now unless he either does his military service our "buys it" from the government.
Could be different if you're born there though I guess...
and conclude that it deserves no respect?
its not only about understanding, it's also about being an outsider or not...
i mean i thought you were interested in the extension of that argument & i was trying to help w/ that (in an admittedly simplified way).
a discursive argument would be cool too, but that's not what i took this for (and not what i have time for today, sorry!)
im too excited about the upcoming weekend/week to engage much, hence my one line response when i could have said a lot more.
trying to repress western influence to maintain their own regime.
I know what you mean though, I would never object to other cultures being experienced here but I don't like that my local cinema shows a lot of Bollywood films, they're just shit
wish my local cinema showed more bollywood films.
only ever shows the faintly-racist-looking 'ziemlich beste freunde'
not read that but have you read fukuyama's 'trust'? it's bollocks but expressed in a more innocuous way than yours generally are
^this was a genuine suggestion btw bud
(i was trying to be nice in this thread!)
probably getting lashed WHAAAAY (for sleeping with a woman out of wedlock)
he might get droned to death if he sticks around too long
all the people there are pretty much peasants, whose standard of life is now far worse due to economic sanctions (whilst obviously the rich fellas are ok)
I'd argue that if you're in another country you should respect their culture. If I were visiting someone's house I wouldn't start criticising their decor or the fact that it happens to be in a 'rough' area. That said, there is a tipping point e.g. I would have no problem confronting a white S African about their stance on apartheid (and indeed I have done).
Somalia about their stance on homosexuality? (If it was negative)
I'd choose my words very carefully if I happened to be standing in a bar in the middle of Mogadishu at the time!
I'd say let's agree to disagree, and then leave quickly.
if the situation/circumstances made it possible to do so?
in a bar in Mogadishu really.
Basic human rights us usually quite high up there though.
The banning of ties is pretty much a non-story as far as I'm concerned.
In so far as the Government are controlling their citizens not only down to what clothes they wear, but what accessories they wear as well. It's representative of just how extreme the regime is. It such a minute/inconsequential thing, and yet the Government still feel they have to spend time 'regulating' it.
that means they are in the same place on the polictical spectrum?
It wasn't me that concluded it makes a govt extreme
so long as you realise your judgement means fuck all
that's all i've got.
I do hope so.
racist, homophobic, misogynist / sexist....
I feel almost entirely comfortable writing it off as shit
because then you can feel comfortable while living in any culture on earth
Recently, a workmate was telling me about some time she spent in Japan. One night, she went to a dinner party where one of the guests started to violently beat his wife in front of everyone. My workmate and her two Western friends were horrified, but the Japanese people didn't bat an eyelid. Apparently it would have been disrespectful for any guest to intervene, so one of the Westerners had to ask the host to tell the guy to stop the madness. He stopped beating her and they rejoined the party. His wife then giggled about it with the other guests.
As are shirts that are sold by collar size.
isn't very punk.
your duty is to analyse and isolate the instances and behaviours that Are changable and inexcusable.
If you feel that you cannot distinguish, then you are ignorant of aspects of a culture that are not bad, and therefore you will invariably end up calling a whole culture bad, which is likely to be an inaccurate generalisation. Still if you want to call a spade a spade, see things as black and white
<a power that is ignorant> "you've just crossed our line of death with your troops"
<genghis> "huh? what line"
<a power that is ignorant> "that line" points to imaginary line between a mountain and a lake
"you will now pay for that with 100 camels or die"
<genghis> "will I F***" cuts off lots of heads
not genghis...he is sensible
but the problem is that most cultural criticisms are borne of ignorance, or merely the fact that something is done differently to how the speaker was brought up. Legitimate criticisms of particular practices or beliefs are fine. As ever, there's a way to do it which is more engaging and thoughtful and there's a way to do it which shuts down discussion instead.
I think that if you understand the surrounding influencers but you find something specific then yes
you can criticise that about a culture. but any criticism should be delivered with understanding and appreciation of history and situation
obviously a cultural criticism that some might feel is that islam is bad towards women.
but you must appreciate other things so that you can phrase your criticism in a way that will be more considered.
It is mentioned that a man must respect his wife more than anyone but god
mohamed's wife aisha took intellectual responsibility for the recording and desimination of the prophets teachings
in christian european societies women were also not granted equality and were subject to discrimination, this is not just a result of the religeon, but is also a cultural thing whereby those with more power (mainly male) were reluctant to forgo having an unfair advantage over another group, except that it was tied up in rituals and speech and other things, not just a strict heirarchy. When you view some islamic cultures that you feel are not fair to women, you are also viewing a localised culture to an extent.
Sometimes and overarching religeon gains a new voice, sometimes this voice will seem to reinforce some localised but essentually secular predjudices christianity has done this as well as islam.
Currently people in western european cultures have had almost full emancipation (as is locally viewed) for women, in certain respects (although consumerism does limit all of us in these cultures to an extent in a new dimension) and you can see that in a way it is only time that seperates some of the changes for women between the islamic and christian dominated countries
So the above is not an argument, it is an example of demonstrating that you are not just criticising, that you have opinions on the issue that you are commenting on, you are not just criticising the whole culture you are instead trying to isolate a trait that can be something that you dont like in any culture (its just that they miight have more of it......at the moment)
Superstitions.....If you (as a secular western scientist) do not like fundamentalism, try not to make all things middle eastern out to be totally against science.....acknowledge the debt that europe has in the islamic world keeping much previous science and medicine (relatively) pure, during the ultra unenlightened period of the middle ages in europe when christianity went bonkers anti science and anti medicine....
acknowledge the similarities (i.e. tendancies) of when european christians could be as fervant as what many westerners regard islamic fundementalists to be now.
To criticise better you need to recognise more
If you display and parade ignorant generalisation, then you bolster the hand of people on 'the other side' to have an equally ignorant response, to be backed by people who would not normally support them.