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so what is their stance ? do you know ?
Did they put it up at random or put it up outside her house because she was Asian?
If it's the former I don't personally think she had the right to take it down specifically because it was a BNP. That said, do parties/supporters have the right to put political banners in the first place? If not then frankly any member of the public can probably take any parties' banner down if they disagree with it.
If I put something up in a public space, I'd assume that everyone else had the same right to modify that space as I did.
Unless it's some kind of sanctioned event or something. I don't know. I'm boring myself. I like her hair
you massive racist
But my brother-in-law's brother does the kindness thing in Canada, and made the papers by doing it.
so you can't really blame the world
Absolutely is a pretty definate word to use there, hence my post, the motivation was entirely based around that word
I do admire your more freestyle approach
I'm sure I've seen it somewhere..
now you're equating the union jack, and those that want to celebrate the jubilee, with racism.....you monster
stop pretending to be theo, cg
did you used to be another user?
but freedom of speech in this context is a legal term. if the government were tearing down legally posted political signs that'd be censorship and a violation of of freedom of speech, if some random person tears own an illegally posted one it just isn't.
If some BNP supporter had spray painted a racistslogan onto her actual house would that still be free speech and to be defended even tho it's not legal? And would she be a hypocrite for asking for help to clean it off while not doing anything about TOX08 tags on a wall down the street?
(oh wow boring "where would you draw the line" debate, good job I'm going home now. It's been fun ^__^)
this is illegal under the Highways Act 1980, the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, and the Cleaner Neighbourhoods Act of 2005.
Whilst she should have probably awaiting an appointed officer of the Council (under whose discretion legal action against the British National Party could've been taken), she was enforcing the law it getting it removed.
A fine example of active and engaged citizenry, I think you'll agree.
Either way, I might start destroying Labour party stuff the next time there's an election on. I know they're a legal political party and stuff, but sod it - they're not my party of choice so I'll take it up upon myself to rid the streets of their tat. VIVA DEMOCRACY!
hope not. streets are for walkin', not trying to sell me crap.
but I know that if you're blanket leafletting/spamming litterature through people's letter boxes, it's illegal to remove another parties literature.
So if you go to post a tory flier through a door, and there's a labour one sticking out, you're not allowed to take the Labour one away with you and throw it in the bin or whatever. In reality, pretty much no one is likely to find/do anything about it, but that's the rule.
Not 100% sure of the rules on posters/banners. If someone decides to hang a banner in their own front garden, i'm prety sure you can't do anything about it. If it's a definite public space though, i'd imagine you're not allowed - although i'm sure i've seem temproary billboards on roundabouts or nailed to trees and stuff during election time.
Can you imagine shitstorm if one party starred going round ripping down another party's stuff. You just don't do it. And anyone with any sense knows a much.
Afaik some local authorities have put a stop to lamp post election posters. But the journo doesn't make mention of whether that was the case in her area because she 'ran out of credit when trying to call the council' (translation: I've not done a shred of research for this piece of writing - also, there was no banner).
I should point out that the banner was illegally tied onto a council owned lamp post - I certainly wasn't denying a political party the right to have publicity up, that's another story altogether....
What absolute rubbish. She also tweeted before it was removed:
If I had seen them do it I'd have pulled the ladder away for a start! The rest is untweetable #puttingmyboxingskillstouse
The BNP are vile but she's a moron.
It's v close to labour party office they ought to take it down really...
I should point out that the banner was illegally tied onto a council owned lamp post
What has that got to do with legality of whether a poster has been put up or not?
Let's be honest she didn't care if it had been placed there illegally or not, just the fact it was a BNP poster.
Otherwise she'd be like some eco-warrior taking down every illegal banner and flypost in her neighbourhood.
"I should point out that the banner was illegally tied onto a council owned lamp post - I certainly wasn't denying a political party the right to have publicity up, that's another story altogether...."
"If I had seen them do it I'd have pulled the ladder away for a start! The rest is untweetable #puttingmyboxingskillstouse"
...do not contradict each other at all tho and she doesn't say or imply that her reason for wanting it taken down was anything other than opposition to the BNP.
She certainly wasn't denying a political party the right to have publicity up because they didn't have the right to have publicity up on that lampost. The comment under the article was a response to people who assumed the poster was legally posted when it wasn't and thus taking it down wasn't illegal or a violation of anyone's political rights of expression.
It was no bigger than a standard political party election banner.
No-ones really bothering to defend the shitty party any more than you're losing sleep over the shitty hack.
& obv. if it wasn't legal it would still be cool.
when in actual fact, she just doesn't like the BNP and her actions were politically motivated. And that's fine - it makes no difference to the legality of the banner - but she should just say that rather than pretend this is some bullshit human interest, social-meeja, there-are-nice-people-out-there-after-all tale of modern community spirit.
she didn't say or imply that AT ALL.
I'm sure there's hundreds of more illegal banners & posters in her vicinity?
there are* tsk
She singled it out because she's against the BNP and nowhere does she say or imply there was any other reason! so it's nonsense to talk like she's some kind of hypocrite for not complaining about other flyposting. Can you even read?
she'll be on the phone to the Local Authority until her credit runs out again, will she? Rrrriiiiiigggghhhhhttttt.....
It's bullshit, and she's lying.
you require planning permission to put permanent advertising displays on private property - even shop windows etc. All treated the same as a billboard would be. Don't think that counts for temporary materials or party political stuff though.
Generally anything on the public highway is a big no-no, even stuff that's non-profit in nature like marches. AND you don't even have needed to put the poster up to be responsible for it - if your name is on it, you're deemed to have received benefits from it, and legally liable for it being, regardless of who put it there.
What I wrote wasn't even close!
If someone had taken some welding equipment and welded an industrial effluent discharge pipe (discharging into the thames) shut, would this also be considered as enforcing the law? (If the 'discharger' had been illegally polluting?
or the 'discharger'
its just cos guntrip was saying about people doing things, taking into their own hands......and then you pointed out that this womans actual actions were a bit, well, limp, this sparked my memory and so I thought that I would ask your opinions as to what you thought about something that I believe that someone once did with just a mate of theirs (greenpeace FOE were not involved) it was a 'down the pub' peoples idea
But after quickly skimming over it, the gist if it seemed to be Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter Twitter.
Dear PEOPLE WHO think that writing a primary school level story about 'what I did on my social media accounts at the weekend' means you are a journalist,
You're all wankers.
Even more vacuous and full of bullshit than I first imagined.
»I tried, but my council's environmental crime unit had me on hold for so long that I ran out of phone credit.«
^This is obviously a lie. And knowing that she's a liar about such stupid shit, why should I believe anything else she claims happened? On reflection, I'm pretty sure there was never any banner in the first place.
SHE JUST BORROWED A LADDER
its a brave new world
'A Streetcar Named Desire' would have been shite if it was written now.
If it were too high and I had no ladder......then I would have got a washing line, attached a weight to one end, tossed it over the banner, grabbed hold of both ends and pulled it down that way
on the other hand, if you dont have braines then you probably do need it
not getting any better
how did you write ™. did you copy and paste it. or is there some special way?
dunno about windows.
Alt for allowed part, etch only into a folding
deeper there to follow if evenly graft aside
for low rent parented, palmar grasp. At a blame
so stepped forward, foot alert balance for them
at infant bending now prone already now so thee
soon wanted so deep bent there. Alter both minds
you should have come to see him read in camb. last year. maybe you did. he never ever reads.
seen him lecture, but never seen him read. would've loved to have
Under her brow the snowy wing-case
delivers truly the surprise
of days which slide under sunlight
past loose glass in the door
into the reflection of honour spread
through the incomplete, the trusted. So
darkly the stain skips as a livery
of your pause like an apple pip,
the baltic loved one who sleeps.
Or as syrup in a cloud, down below in
the cup, you excuse each folded
cry of the finch's wit, this flush
scattered over our slant of the
day rocked in water, you say
this much. A waver of attention at
the surface, shews the arch there and
the purpose we really cut;
an ounce down by the water, which
in cross-fire from injustice too large
to hold he lets slither
from starry fingers
noting the herbal jolt of cordite
and its echo: is this our screen, on some
street we hardly guessed could mark
an idea bred to idiocy by the clear
sight-lines ahead. You come in
by the same door, you carry
what cannot be left for its own
sweet shimmer of reason, its false blood;
the same tint I hear with the pulse it touches
and will not melt. Such shading
of the rose to its stock tips the bolt
from the sky, rising in its effect of what
motto we call peace talks. And yes the
quiet turn of your page is the day
tilting so, faded in the light.
^'rich in vitamin c'
i haven't the whole poem to hand (obv.) but my favourite line in the whole thing is(iirc) the two-word sentence: 'Apical Thrill.'
The 'political posters shouldn't be taken down because they're political' argument is wank, because free speech =/= authoritative speech and a lot of other reasons.
I'm highly suspicious of any use of twitter whatsoever as a democratic/political tool. It's socially legitimated mob rule, isn't it?
FUCKING LIBERALS HUH?!
i think you've just jumped the shark there
think i've turned into grouchland
i saw christian marclay's guitar drag the other day. it's this cool film where he plugs his guitar into an amp on the back of a truck, and ties the guitar to the back, and then drives along...records it, it's cool
QUOTE Filmed in San Antonio Texas, it shows an amplified Fender Stratocaster guitar attached to a rope being pulled behind a pick-up truck. As the guitar drags across the road it produces a range of sounds from the bumping and the friction against the varied surfaces. A fantastic visual piece, but also an amazing sound piece, that stands just as well alone, and in some ways just as visual! From the first sounds of duct-tape being ripped, the familiar sound of someone gently slamming the strings of the guitar, to the sounds of an engine starting and then slowly the beginning of a sound that is hollow and at the same time human, and that takes us through the deepest roarings to high pitch screams until the very end when it all slows down and stops, unwillingly it seems. UNQUOTE
Look at the awful stock photo they've used.
They're probably on Redwatch now for their troubles :(