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Might be a bit needy if part of the reason you're creating it is to get complimented on it once it's complete.
I consider this art.
it allows us to comment, document, & sometimes even change the world we live in.
If you're making it to be complimented on YR DOIN IT WRONG
Excelpt maybe those people who paint all over the walls after suffering some kind of trauma, can't exactly remember what it was. I saw some show about it maybe a year ago.
outsider art ?
I've been to a place in Suffolk where people with mental disabilities made art. We've actually got a large piece at home we bought.
I'm talking about perfectly normal people who've suffered some kind of physical transformation (maybe it was strokes) and couldn't stop creating.
it's an extension of the need to be praised. yeah, people make art for more noble reasons, cause they need to, but if no-one gave a shit, no-one would.bother.
people draw, write, create etc for themselves.
I agree that there probably is an element of self validation.
but i don't think 'if no-one gave a shit, no-one would.bother'
there's self-validation- getting out the bad bits of your soul and making yourself feel worth something. Bit different to wanting praise for that thing.
then there wouldn't be as much incentive to physically express things in the form of art to begin with.
many people have banks and banks of unreleased stuff they dont want to share, they just like the process of creation.
with dirt and sticks
i'm sure after a few hours you would start to build with the twigs, draw circles in the dirt etc.
I believe the need to create order/express is one of the most blatant differences between humans & fish/bats/crows etc.. etc..
what you say, says more about you than artists.
is in denial. by 'extension of praise', I mean some kind of acknowledgement, the feeling that you are communicating something. it isn't a bad thing.
art is the communication of expressed thoughts, feelings, ideas. outsider art and such individual expressions created with no goal beyond need to express only become art when higher minded folks discover and feel it ought to be shared.
it was a bit of an oversimplification.
intersubjectivity is pretty cool guys
why is the whole notion of an internal private compulsion to create 'more noble' than wanting to communicate or be validated by others?
people who create actual art for art's sake rather than just for fame, fortune, etc.
it was a poorly worded post..
from someone who does have artistic goals needs intervention from a curatorial mind, btw. in that instance, it's merely an extension/bi-product of being creative. part of the process. but until you choose to share, calling it art is a little dubious.
pretty necessary question if you're going to discuss whether making art is needy or not.
fwiw, everything is art.
please consult my other posts.
the one where I mentioned sharing.
but every now and then I put effort into something so that it's done and no-one will make me do it again
I don't really do/make art; I do the odd bit of standup which I suppose counts (though I'm not very good at it so it isn't really 'art'). Why do I do it? Because I enjoy it, sure. But mainly because it's the only way of actually being myself, of putting all my awkwardnesses and daily uselessnesses behind me and making people laugh and seeing them appreciate what I'm doing. I have things I want to say through doing it, sure, and I spend a lot of time getting my set right, but ultimately self-validation is bound up with others' validation. It (usually) can't be any other way (though there are exceptions- Emily Dickinson, Daniel Johnston etc)
sorry, that's rambly
it's better to do something creative and (in most cases) productive with your time than to not do.
being neurotic and considering it hugely important is.
or refusing to get a proper job beause you think you're An Artist is.
to sum up...yeah, do what you want, but remember that it's just a hobby, and it isn't legitimate WORK.
the moment you start thinking in terms of artistic statement - regardless of how high- or low-brow the artistic notion is - it becomes more than a hobby.
and having a job and being an artist aren't mutually exclusive.
when you cross that line you become a needy ballbag.
on the grounds that they're artists.
now you're saying people should either be one or the other?
it's ok to 'work' as an artist if that's how you earn your money. but if you sit about on the dole claiming to be some creative genius, you're a tool.
For what it's worth, I totally disagree, but I think that's the point being made here.
if you're getting paid for it, it's no longer art. that art is a hobby, not work. something to do in addition to work.
but it's one of the more pleasant manifestations of neediness.
can you actually consider it art if it's holed up in your basement and no-one else ever sees it?
was it art?
there's some kind of artistic statement being made...unseen art or something.
So, no, definitely not.
If i make something i do it because i want to, if i draw something i do it because i enjoy doing it, if i write a song, i do it because i enjoy doing it.. same with anything.
If i done everything for everybody else it would be a very sad state of affairs indeed.
There are people out there that need this validation though. So i don't know, but speaking from my own experience. Its madness to think i would do it just for praise.