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father and son who owned the business say they have 'lost their faith in humanity'. Funny that, so have I.
in the birmingham riots 2 deaths were caused when a PO was burnt by arson.
Jason owen, who was partially responsible for murdering Baby P, was sent down for six years. What a warped perspective our country has.
It was causing or allowing a death, which is a different crime. Repellent though his actions were, it wasn't a murder sentence and there was insufficient proof he murdered anyone, hence the sentence.
...dogs that are on fire!!!
some Liberal pipes up with shite like "we're not looking at the bigger picture here. What could have caused a young man to act in this way?".
Fuck that. He knew what he was doing, send him down. Maybe 11.5 years is a bit harsh, but it's better than "yeah...just let him go, he IS from a broken home afterall. A tag will suffice".
Plus looking at the "bigger picture" might be quite sensible if we want to prevent this kind of thing happening again.
a confessed Lib Dem voter holds a view on something
Is a joke
"he should have a suspended sentence i.e a rope around its neck and strung up."
and that 6 hours of community service would have been a much better sentence? Then maybe something about rehabilitation being more important than punishment.
when there's a perfectly good riot going on.
That's what you meant, right?
those MONSTERS ;____;
managed to put together and then successfully pull off a job of that size.
If I'm honest about it.
someone at work was taking that stupid political compass text the other day and the question about whether or not rehabilitation should be the primary object of the penal system came up. Why is a belief in rehabilitation supposedly an indicator of left leanings? If anything, that seems contrary to what I understand a leftist understanding of crime to be- if crime is largely the result of circumstance, what good is rehabilitating the criminal going to do? They'll still emerge into a world of circumstance.
if at the end of it, the person is going to leave prison to go into a better environment or set of personal circumstances.
Which isn't normally the case.
Also, certain types of criminal shouldn't even have rehabilitation attempted, it's a waste of time and resources, just take them out the back, hit them with a half brick until they stop twitching, chuck them in the chipper, job done, saved the tax payer anywhere from £35k pa depending on level of security they'd be in and no need to worry about recidivism.
So you can brain double the amount of criminals for only the price of the one brick. I like your thinking
is money spent on bricks for building new hospitals.
NU NUE LABOR!
PUTTING THE RAD INTO RADICAL!
Turns out he was a career criminal with 20 convictions or so for a variety of offences.
Given the potential risk to life his actions caused (other buildings being set on fire and such) then it's probably a fair enough sentence.
We're talking about a guy who started a fire that destroyed three families' homes (and of course easily could have killed those families), destroyed someone's livelihood and meant firefighters had to put themselves at risk sorting it out.
This isn't just like smashing a window and doing a bit of looting.
two people were killed in PO in handsworth that was set alight in bham riots.
cw the normal sentencing that the crimes would get.
(I think we used to call it a black man's willy but wouldn't anymore)
for handling a stolen pencil sharpener that their friend pinched is silly. (Or similar, I made that up). 11 years for a massive arson is fine.
Or whatever soundbite my grandad comes out with when this stuff is on the news
give the lad a break will you?
have been worse than creakyknees sentences in this thread.