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including the stuff about Dalglish
it. you're banned from liverpool now.
he was still a comedian to be honest. Thought he just acted in shit TV drama's.
After all, the best possible way to court publicity is to say something inoffensive about Liverpool in an independant podcast aimed at Arsenal fans. Oh what tangled webs...
he knew full well that it would get a reaction, passed on, re-posted etc etc. I agree with him, but he's still an unfunny publicity seeking curly haired cunt.
*like there's any other sort.
Anyway LOL -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4372230.stm
RIP Little Baby. Safe in the arms of Jesus.
It's only a chicken''
I'm a scouser too!
I probably know somebody who left a message.
'That gets on my tits, that shit'. That's not to say his point isn't perfectly valid, but he should be aware as a football fan that it's a sensitive issue.
but it was something which needed to be said. The real aggressors are people telling him to DIE U CUNT etc etc etc on twitter. No way he should be apologising to them.
It's extremely unlikely they'll be forced to apologise and what they've done is far, far worse.
It's been a couple of years since we've had a `scousers-take-offence and-issue-standard-collective-death-threat` story.
because they were the most successful club at the time. It has to end sometime doesn't it? Do you think in a hundred years they'll still not play on the 15th of April?
Which obviously doesn't mean Liverpool fans should just forget but they can move to a point where they mark it in other ways - a minute's silence and a short remembrance ceremony in the build up to kick-off or something similar.
The overreaction to it is madness though.
but is it possible that the folks on twitter could be prosecuted for inciting violence?
not that they would be, I just wondered if it was a possibility.
It's a pretty high profile issue at the moment after the Muamba trolling thing.
Even if it was justifiable, police arresting people for expressing outrage over the Hillsbrough disaster would just open old wounds and create even more bad feeling...
I'd assume he never would.
but I doubt it would become an issue unless someone was willing to push it.
Welcome to Liverpool.
Where they were proposing writing letters of complaint to the 'governing body for podcasts' to have him taken off air.
Internet Fraud Office all over again.
They love it when people then insult them, as they can wallow further. For a city that bangs on about its great "sense of humour", they can really fucking whinge. I suppose their accent doesn't help the whining factor.
fuck off back to your windmill, you tramp beating, pube headed rent boy.
If I didn't know better I would assume that every single post is made ironically
."We should just keep buying Newcastle number 9s until it works out"
Dunno why you are surprised. He's got history with Liverpool - the City. The clubs. The people. The history.
Me and the missus have long refused to watch anything he does.
fucking hell :')
We should also cancel the armistace parade on 11th November. Its a real pain in the arse for traffic not being able to get down round the cenotaph with all those roads closed. Time to move on from all that grieving for people killed in the war.
Imagine if you said that??
The aul cliched anti-scouse calm down agenda is getting a bit passe now bit like his curly perm. I have come across c*nts like this and humour them in a sensible equable way by asking how they have arrived at this bigoted stance. Usually something nasty has happened at the hands of some arlarse or most of the time it is a sort of jealousy.
I remember one prik giving it plenty in a bar once ....I palled him up and had a bit of banter then later on smacked the c*nt in the bogs good style.....didn't roll him as I was flush at the time....
Alan Davies is a talentless unfunny twat faced tatty headed miserable ugly southern fucknugget! He looks like a thirty-something bipolar Dennis the Menace!
Why the BBC continue to pay this prick to appear on panel shows only to be carried along by the other panelists is totally fucking beyond me!! after all some of it is my money so I have a right to complain!!
I think the word 'c*nt' fits perfectly into this wankers descriptive nutshell!!
"Tried to get Scousers into room 101. Not particularly funny. Good in Jonathan Creek, irritating as fuck on everything else. Obvious bellend."
- Is that you, KiK?
that if he were a Liverpool fan, I bet there would have been far, far less opprobrium thrown in his direction. The worst reaction would probably have been, "I disagree with you, but you make a fair point. YNWA."
Alexei Sayle and Ringo Starr, to name but two.
I mean I find it hard to comprehend in the same way that I find it hard to comprehend fundamentalist believers in a religion.
Obviously I understand that it was horrific, that the police acted in a terrible way and that attempts were made to imply Liverpool fans were awful people. But that understanding doesn't help me get why it still has quite such an amazing resonance so many years later, especially after it seems the necessary apologies have been made by the police/government/etc.
Reading the some of the responses to what Davies said is just incredible, although there are a great many more reasonable, 'just ignore him' type ones on that forum.
Is it just because I'm not a football fan or indeed any sort of sports fan? Do other people feel like this?
Nearly 100 people dead, many youngsters, on a day when they should have been out enjoying themselves, celebrating, taking part in a pastime enjoyed by millions of people.
I'm not a football fan, and I don't remember Hillsborough, but I can see why it's a big issue for a lot of people.
As I stated: "Obviously I understand that it was horrific, that the police acted in a terrible way and that attempts were made to imply Liverpool fans were awful people. But that understanding doesn't help me get why it still has quite such an amazing resonance so many years later, especially after it seems the necessary apologies have been made by the police/government/etc."
23 years is a long time and yet when you see the reactions any comment about it can garner, it feels like no one's moved on, which I find honestly quite disturbing and worrying.
This is likely to be a terribly expressed point but basically it's pretty unique for people involved in a horrific accident to continue to do the very thing that will remind them of the accident the most consistently afterwards.
23 years is a long time but it's still fresh in the memory for a lot of people.
I see what you mean.
as suggested above, I believe Bradford still play on the anniversary of the fire that killed 56 and injured many more at Valley Parade - this doesn't mean they aren't showing sufficient respect though.
I don't know the details of the Bradford event but I'd guess it would be pretty quickly clear people were in danger and people were doing something.
Whereas at Hillsborough people were dying and no one who needed to seem to notice or care for a significant amount of time (in terms of saving lives and being people who were there to look out for just such a problem).
When on a stewarding course at the millennium stadium, the fire module involved watching a video of the bradford fire disaster to demonstrate how quickly it can spread and what not to do as a steward
There is a part where a policeman is on flames and staggers onto the pitch and has to be rolled in order to put him out. A couple of twunts on the course with me decided his flaying and flapping whilst burning alive was hilarious, guffawing loudly at several moments. Suffice to say everyone else in the gave them a verbal bashing and insured that they were sacked
Though I can't remember where I read it, and it's not something I want to search for.
It is truly awful.
And there's no way I'm looking for that YouTube footage. Christ.
I wouldn't encourage it. I'm not quite sure how it's allowed to stay on youtube.
I think that's a huge part of why it's more ingrained on our consciousness than the Bradford fire.
vs a third Division game - the former is always going to be more high profile. Not to mention the Bradford fire was quickly followed by the Heysel disaster which was on the biggest club stage of all, not to mention the impact it had subsequently for English football. So it was overshadowed somewhat.
I think most football fans now come to treat liverpool fans (well, RAWKers) as the drunken aunty basically saying anything to get attention, while everyone else just kind of goes 'put the whisky down, Jean.'
Obviously it was a terrible event and there is ill-feeling over how it happened and its aftermath. But you can't let it define a club.
do you think you could support somebody else? Shrewsbury perhaps? You always make me feel slightly bad in threads like these.
Since drawing with Villa. I think the 2 weeks before Downing punched a woman was the longest we went since Suarez-gate.
you're probably not a Liverpool fan, so I wouldn't worry.
it may well be a very, very small and angry minority but it is still embarassing to have those reactions supposedly representing your club in the media and unfortunately it's reactions like these that fuel the unfair Liverpool fan stereotypes
let's not lose sight of this important fact.
especially the apparently 'level headed' response on here
you southern poof/ponce/prick. Back to the windmill for you!
then they could have a minute's silence (or more), a massive banner, a good cry, they'd love it in Liverpool.
and by God do they let you know about it
But the club is perfectly within its rights to request not to play on that day. It's the day of the memorial service. One day a year. The memorial service is for the families, and club representatives and players attend. People on here, or elsewhere, pontificating on how or if they should commemorate it should mind their own business. It’s a reasonable request that can and should be met, regardless of what Alan Davies or a bunch of internet wankers think. If Bradford fans, Rangers fans or any other set of fans wanted to reserve a particular day to mourn the victims of the respective disasters, I would happily put their feelings ahead of some sodding fixture list.
Many of the current matchgoing fans were present at Hillsborough, and knew or were related to people who died. It’s still an open wound, not least because of the cover up and press response. The attitude on here and elsewhere that the memorial service is all part of some fetishisation of grief is fucking shameful to be honest.
I know Dalglish comes across as a miserable twat but he’s a decent man who attended the vast majority of the funerals. That says more about him than whether he likes Geoff Shreeves. To have some arsehole like Davies using Hillsborough as a stick to beat him with is out of order.
Davies came across as an unpleasant man who made his point as crassly as possible, as is typical for the modern fan (plenty of Liverpool fans included, and some of the people who contribute to the football threads on here) for whom supporters from other clubs are scum, devalued as people. He apologised, as he should have done.
Nice to see bellends don't have a reply and it's killed the thread
Despite my arguments and general hostility in the football threads I think this place is usually pretty well informed and respectful / intelligent etc etc but Jesus christ, the prevalent attitude expressed in this thread
Except that isn't the attitude here at all.
Often unreplied to or questioned
where there are Liverpool fans overreacting to Davies' comments =/= saying that they should all just get over it
Plenty of other clubs have plenty of reasons to commemorate/remember the dead....something about a plane crash?
But they don't.
Of course the other clubs commemorate the dead.
Rushed my firast comment.
Obviously I meant that they do commemorate the dead in their own way.
to the scheduling- they don't usually need to much of a reason to slag Liverpool off.
I think this is a very delicate area- I see little to no reason that Liverpool should not have requests to not play on the anniversary refused, but it's also quite disingenious to claim they merely request- the subtext has always been that there's no point scheduling a game, because they aren't going to play it.
Davies made a bit of an unwise flippant comment, sure, but I don't think it deserves this level of attention... I think that Liverpool not playing on the anniversary of Hillsborough is a pretty fair occurrence. Although, I don't think that it is an occurrence which should be beyond having questions asked about it (not that Davies delivered his in a manner which deserved much respect, of course).
Although the timing of it was a bit naive seeing as he was having a pop about this particular fixture - an FA Cup Semi Final. Didn't pick his moment especially well there did he...
"The Hillsborough Justice Campaign has refused a £1,000 donation by comedian Alan Davies following his comments about the Hillsborough disaster.
Davies received a backlash from fans after he mocked Liverpool's insistence that they never play on the anniversary of the disaster.
'The HJC has not accepted the £1,000 paid into its paypal account by Alan Davies,' the charity said in a statement issued on Tuesday evening.
'Whilst we accept his apology, we would prefer that he genuinely tried to understand why the decision never to play on the anniversary of the Hillsborough Disaster is so important.'"
Good luck with that Alan
Although I'm not sure what the campaign actually does so, maybe they don't need big donations of such nature...
My opinion would be closer to ignatz' than most of the others in this thread.
Of course, what Boris Johnson said about Liverpool as a city may have held some truth, and Liverpool FC never need an excuse to wear a black armband for trivial events like a local lollypop lady passing away nowadays, but it's not for us to judge how they choose to pay their respects to people who needlessly lost their lives.
Saying they should definitely play is plain daft, though probably only less so than saying they definitely shouldn't. It should be their choice, and we should respect it. It's not as if they're asking for every April off, just one day of 365. Why's that a big deal?
What Davies said was completely uncecessary, and just another example of football tribalism coming before a bit of dignity, dare i say class. The fact that United have played on the anniversary of Munich, or Rangers or Bradford have played on the anniversaries of their disasters is neither here nor there. Had they chose not to, that should be respected, too.
There are lots of things to mock Liverpool FC for, but this isn't one of them. Who you support shouldn't effect your opinion on matters such as this. What happened at Hillsborough isn't about "them" and "us", or at least it shouldn't be. Let them pay their respects how they see fit.
(is what i should've put on the end to make that last sentence make any sense at all).
Everyone recognises that Hillsborough was horrific, even Alan Davies called it 'the biggest tragedy in post war Britain' or something during his 'rant'.
Vast majority of this thread is about Liverpool FC and their dickhead manager, ridiculous fans, victim complex etc. which I think everyone recognises Hillsborough is entirely seperate from.
do you actually know ? I'm sure you're gonna drag out the usual bollocks about idiots on internet forums but we all know they are in the minority.. In fact, talking of dickheads on internet forums, you're doing a pretty good job in this thread aren't you.
If you give it a proper read you'll see I was summing up the contents of the thread, as such it's going to be pretty generalised.
of all Liverpool fans being lumped together as brainless idiots.
Strange because your posts on the boards on a variety of subjects show the opposite
I barely post anymore, can't be arsed tbh. I will admit I had my moments back in the day but not for a long long time..
He once told me that £35m for Carroll was fine because he was only on £20k a week.
During a Liverpool Chelsea CL semi final, he told me at length the problem with Chelsea is they have no history and their fans are glory hunters. He's from Portsmouth.
Pretty sure that's interpreted by most as a reference to Hillsbrough and not the stuff you spoke of in the top paragraph. Alan Davies sounds like a dickhead and a bit crass after actually listening to the clip but I find it very hard to disagree with the point he was making.
Within reason of course.
But if somebody wants to take the day off work on the anniversary of a death, it's a bit nasty to laugh at them for it. Obviously it's down to their boss's discretion as to whether he let's them.
Tragedy affects people in different ways. Clearly it affects Liverpudlians in a way that a lot of people find over-dramatic or whatever, so they laugh at it.
I tend not to cry at funerals, but I wouldn't dream of laughing at someone who was.
The hyperbole of subsequent keyboard heroes' death threats in the wake of it are totally irrelevant to the discussion, by the way.
but similarly I do think people are allowed to ask why the club chooses to do this while others don't, without automatically being accused of being heartless anti-Liverpool monsters. It is a fair question to ask, albeit not in the crass way Davies did for which he has rightly apologised.
The point the chap from the Hillsborough fund makes about understanding the reasons is spot on, some people probably won't fully understand or appreciate the situation but I don't for one second believe that the majority of comments made here or elsewhere are made with direspectful or venomous intention with regard to what is universaly mourned as a terrible tragedy.
You'll always bring out some of the worst from BOTH sides, but I don't think you can easily dismiss as being irrelevant the LFC fans making death threats to Alan Davies without expecting any equally horrible opposing minority. A very small number of people in the world are just cunts.