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Do disabled people live in retirement homes anyway. Seems a bit mean if they do.
that he just hangs around there all day because his friends are there? I'm really not sure
If it's just taking the piss, then it's going to be uncomfortable viewing.
Maybe they could work into it the fact that animals have more rights than many people in these homes. Not too funny that though I guess.
I think I do my friend.
you don't know what you're talking about
So I imagine there are going to be some serious, reflective bits.
...really, really gets on my nerves.
He's like an 8 year old child that never came to terms with the fact that he couldn't go round calling people spastics any more, and feels the need to incorporate it all into his humour as catharsis.
Silly little man.
I have never seen him do it without exposing the fundamental flaws to his characters stance.
...because I've made a judgement based upon 30 seconds of clip on the internet. Probably wrong of me to do so, but Gervais seems to have this obsession with making humour out of bashing people with handicaps. He's free to do so of course, but I view it as childish and it irritates me.
Maybe I've judged this programme too early. If it does turn out to be a humourous and touching examination of the subject I'll happily eat my words.
says that she likes Derek. So there.
yeh, she's not the only disabled rights campaigner tho is he?
It'll be good to see him being the wiser of the two.
I know actors have played people with learning disabilities to great acclaim, but they don't do it for laughs. I guess this programme could be incredibly well done and important and start a national conversation on how people with learning disabilities are treated. But I suspect it won't, since Gervais has never shown a great approach to the subject (whereas the subtlety of The office is a masterpiece). I'll reserve judgment for now though.
but the clips look like they're more indebted to naff sitcom tropes than the sort of Office-style reality which could really make it.
Karl Pilkington playing Karl Pilkington in a ridiculous 1970s comedy wig seems really out of place.
and apparently its really quite sweet and in the second half particularly it's quite moving. Gervais has said that he's not disabled, he's more a Frank Spencer type character. I'm looking forward to it
Scoured all of the links and didn't see anything about being disabled.
I suppose the clue is in the fact that he's 49 and living in a retirement home, but still..does it actually say anywhere that he's mentally disabled?
has said he isn't, he's just a bit slower. He made a fair point of the fact that when he does do things which involve disabled people, he hires people who actually have the condition.
I've seriously doubted Gervais after the Office, but this looks extremely promising ^
He tried pushing the Derek Noakes thing in 2000 and it was much clearer he was disabled. There was a bit of a backlash so he's now trying to evoke this utterly transparent get out clause that "he's not disabled; he just happens to act like a disabled person and live somewhere where disabled people might live".
He's very very clearly portrayed as mentally disabled. The fact that otherwise intelligent people are buying this "he's not disabled; he's a bit slower*" claim really disturbs me.
*being a bit slower means a bit thicker which, given an IQ below a certain point is the definition of mental disability, means a mental disability so even his explanation makes no sense.
I was more looking for something that was a bit concrete in the links in the op and the associated links, to see why pretty much everyone that had posted on here with the knowledge that he was mentally disabled, when all that's mentioned in the link is he lives in a retirement home.
I know that you need to read between the lines a bit with this one though.
For the record, I'm not the kind of person that will stand in the street; point at a mentally disabled person and laugh at them. Far from it.
or just Gervais gurning alongside a clueless Pilkington, if it's the later it'll be shit
after life's too short...
for a long, long time
I'm not even the sort of disabled person who gives a fuck about people taken the piss about disability but it was an utterly, utterly stupid cheap shot based on "aren't people who are a bit slow hilarious?". Maybe he's found a way to resuscitate it and make it work now but I'd be surprised.
Given Gervais' general level of ignorance regarding the Mong thing I'd be shocked if he could actually do a touching thing about disability. In disability TV terms, I imagine this'll be a bit better than All About Me but that's probably all that'll be able to be said about it. I think what fucks me off is that there's plenty of disabled writers who get sidelined and get no access to a mainstream voice and there's a comic who in recent years has turned into more and more of an obnoxious cunt who seems intent on monopolising the disabled voice except having no relation to it except that he finds disabled people quite amusing.
From those clips alone, just about the only similarities are the name and the make-up. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be sceptical - Ricky Gervais is a piss artist, not a satirist - but I don't think it's fair to judge him on something he did more than 10 years ago (with regard to the 'mong' thing, I think he came across as a compete twat in trying to convey his views, but I don't think his views were entirely unreasonable). I'm 100% with you on your post further up though, and the distinction made between him being "a bit slower" and being disabled.
I just find it mental that he's resurrecting that character. Unless he's actually doing it in order to try and prove that character wasn't supposed to be offensive.
You're right that I'm judging a bit too quickly though and we'll have to wait 'til it comes out and see how it all comes across...
Stephen Merchant has nothing to do with it.
the more obvious sitcom look to it makes the character look less obviously disabled than the original Derek sketch but he clearly still is.
And I can't imagine it being better really.