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- loved the subtle new decor to let us know things have changed
- like the direction that we are aiming for re: integration and equal oppurtunities.
- love the tension between the old SCDP guard and Pete's new professionalism. let's see how long that lasts.
- unsure of Lane's strand... never really connected with his character.
- also unsure of where don and megan will head, which is exciting. will go either way.
i am also a little sad it's not further on in the decade. i want them to be watching the moon landing soon. :[
...yet. i assume she will be in this series, right?
The episode was 60% better by not having her in it
In Season 1 I found her absolutely fascinating.
But since then she just seems to be totally hateful with no redeeming features at all. I can't figure out whether just isn't given the character investment or JJ is a terrible actress (given X Men: First Class I'd guess the latter)
Although I hope it was just a scene-setting blip, but they tried to cram too much in unsubtley in terms of character development I think. Normally in Mad Men, the characters change so gradually you don't notice but these two episodes were really hammering it all on: DON'S GONE SOFT! PEGGY AND MEGAN DON'T GET ON! PETE'S GETTING IDEAS ABOVE HIS STATION AGAIN! EVERYONE IS REALLY, REALLY FUCKING UNHAPPY - LOOK!!!
Hopefully this is a result of having so much to tell us later on it was a dramatic necessity, but I hope the pace of the series is a bit slower. It's a lot more rewarding that way.
Anyway - Roger Sterling was in imperious form. Always a delight to have that man back on the telly. Bonjouuu-rr!
and that he's actually going to be held back by the old, outdated drinking ways of Roger and Don...
The whole shift between old-agency boozing and new-agency professionalism was another thing that was brought in very abruptly.
Although the thing about Pete is he's becoming too likeable. This is a worrying trend started in Season 4. I'm sure something will happen though to straighten this out.
I'd still go to town on his wife though.
but I saw that as setting the scene more than anything else.
Fave bit was Dawn struggling to get through the door with the pram. Good to have it back.
I liked that bit. OO
representative of the highlighting of changes in American working culture taking place at that time, and the struggle that, particularly, women faced with having their growing needs accommodated?
If so - right on sister.
Obviously there’s always a slight awkwardness as series get into gear again. Remember McNulty chilling on his boat at the start of The Wire season 2 *shudder*.
Thoughts and observations:
- Have Sally Draper’s balls dropped? Her voice sounded much deeper I thought.
- I heard in an interview the other day that there has been 5 Bobbies to 1 Sally throughout the show’s run; the latest Bobby seemed to be trying to make himself less expendable by overacting.
- The way Pete Campbell said “Make a note; I have a meeting tomorrow at 6am at a coffee shop with… let’s say… Coca-Cola” has been amusing me since I first heard it.
- I like that Don and Roger are being made to look more and more pathetic and outdated as time goes on.
- Zou Bisou Bisou sounded a little too pre-recorded; it had almost Glee-levels of production. Would have been better if she’d done it live, maybe she can’t sing though.
- Mad Men is secretly one of the funniest programmes on TV at the minute I think, I laughed so much during this episode.
...although this start was a hark back to the gaggery of yore. Written by Matthew Wiener though so that was to be expected. Latter series of Mad Men have had mostly teams of female writers. And we all know women aren't funny right??!
Agreed it wasn't the most subtle by Mad Men standards but as an introduction to (hopefully) a wider audience it was as perfect as a show in its fifth season could be. WHERE WAS BETTY THOUGH?? I CAN'T BELIEVE I MISSED BETTY.
Also, the Zou Bisous scene was a masterstroke and has pretty much gone viral. I think it'll go down as one of the most memorable moments in TV history.
He's lost like 5 stone
he looked kind of FIT at the party! I love Don's (well, Megan's) fashionable new flat.
Lane was brilliant in this episode, being all weirdly sex-pesty with the wallet, and imitating Megan's dance.
Where did I recognise a) Joan's mum? and b) Lane's wife from? Both of them are pretty famous I'm sure.
I don't miss Betty, she's the worst. I expect she'll be back next week though.
She's horrid for the most part. But we'll find out - maybe that misunderstood kid from next door killed her.
but she brings an interesting dynamic to the show.
She may be annoying, but she’s interesting in her way.
She’s the prism through which we get to see characters like Sally Draper and Glen Bishop, so it would be a shame if she was never in it.
Also, her life is seemingly only going to continue to get worse as well, so surely people must get some level of schadenfreude out of her scenes on that front. It is fun to see her childish self-conception become more and more tattered each year.
but I don't necessarily miss her if she's not in an episode.
I reckon her and Don might have an affair this series.
The focal point for her being in it was Don's home life. Since they don't have one any more, her storyline doesn't really have much of a purpose in terms of propelling the narrative. Although there are some bits of interest, her story does feel like a loose end that the writers are eternally struggling to tie up if you ask me...
I think it's more interesting to watch Betty as a product of circumstance rather than being inherently rotten. She is a monster the world of Don et. al. has created with their antics. I have to say though I did get pretty teary at the end of Season 4 when she laid down on Sally's bed. It was all just so incredibly sad... :(
after season two. The episode with Don pulling the Heineken stunt, where she spent the whole next day drunkenly looking for any evidence she could find that he'd been getting stuck into Bobbie Barrett, was pretty heartbreaking, but for all of season four she was pretty much just megabitch, until the finale anyway.
I totally missed that.
since playing LA Noir!
Lane's wife is Natasha (Darcy's new girlfriend) in Bridget Jones! And Joan's mum is the estate agent from American Horror Story.
And Bicentennial Man's love interest in Bicentennial Man. Embeth Davidtz. I could look this up but I want to impress with my actor recognising skills.
As mentioned above, loved 'Why don't you dance like her' Why don't you look like him' and Pete pulling the Coca Cola meeting prank :)
Betty wasn't in this as she was heavily pregnant when this part was being filmed. Or so I read. Any way she is set to return soon for more scowling.
Also, had to cover my eyes when Megan was doing her dance/singing number, excruciating. Not to mention the cringe-tastic scene where she was cleaning in her knickers.
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there was some horrendous overacting across the board in this episode(s) and as mentioned, character/plot development wasn't very subtle.
It was an extremely funny episode, found myself laughing more than I had for a while with Mad Men.
I feel we're going to see Don do to Megan what he did to Betty, this time from the beginning of a relationship, so that Megan ends up like Betty and some of you may finally get some sympathy towards her.
I think Roger's time is up. I think in this series Pete is finally going to beat him.
Joan is a really boring character, still
I preferred her when she flitted in and out of scenes with DAT ASS, like an enigmatic, omniscient goddess. Now Joan is too over exposed and there's no mystery to her. Too much of a good thing.
but I've never really found her that interesting.
Revealing her as more of a person than a steely and robotic office manager has only added to the show. AND it's shown what a fantastic actress Christina Hendricks actually is - something which is irritatingly forgotten. The scenes of struggle with her husband in the last 2 series' have been marvellously played.
when she played the accordion.
The whole point about Joan is the fact that she appeared in the first 2 seasons to be in control of everything/everyone and have everything kept together at work and at home... but gradually it was revealed she's as weak and as sensitive and confused as everyone is. And her character, and the show, are so much better for it.
really OTT and melodramatic
She's just had a baby - OTT'ness and melodrama are rife in such a situation. Hendricks plays Joan too well to ham it up, if you ask me... But, sure, we'll see if it was by fortune or design as the series progresses :)
because we know Betty used to be clever and fun and happier. Poor Megan!
thats what the weird cleaning scene seemed to be about
Roger stole the show on so many occasions, the scene with him and Harry was absolute gold. *I tried to get Jane to speak to me with that accent, didn't work, doesn't speak French, doesn't like me.* <3
Looking forward to seeing how all these dynamics shift so subtly over the next few weeks. I fucking love this show.
Read a couple of blogs/review things one of which thought it was something of a powerplay from Megan to get what she wants and the other saying it was Don laying the law and taking what he wants.
I don't think it's out if the question that Megan would be deliberately appealing to the side of Don that likes getting slapped by hookers.
They've got an incredibly interesting dynamic already, I think it's very simplistic to suggest she'll just end up being another Betty. SHE CALLED HIM DICK WHITMAN FFS! That was such a huge moment and it was so casually dropped in there that it seems to have gone almost unnoticed.
definitely. It was a bit scary for a while when he grabbed her arm but the way she then relaxed immediately suggested that was her plan. I think.
Yes, he's told her about Dick Whitman/ his real birthday during the season break right? That didn't happen last series? That's a good start, him being honest with her like he was with Faye.
And it must have been during the season break I think, I've been trying to work out whether it's ever anything she could have worked out during her secretarial days but all the stuff with Anna went down during Miss Blankenship's tenure didn't it
this is clearly the find of thing Don finds sexy given his many mistresses, but he does ultimately hold the power
shes falling into the same trap as everyone else does with Don
when Peggy and Megan made Pete look after the baby, and he was all like 'huh, do I look like I'm wearing a SKIRT?' and they just ignored him and he went off meekly :D
He's an incredible character, wonderful to watch and superbly drawn but does anyone actually like him as aside from enjoying watching him?
My gf absolutely adores him, he's her very favourite, I find this very odd.
Actively disliked him in Season 3.
Warmed to him significantly in Season 4.
I think the ultimate thing with contemporary Pete is that he's fighting the good fight (both in the office and in the other aspects like civil rights etc.) but he's such an odious, slimy little twerp that it really conflicts your opinion on him.
As I mention upthread, he's gotten too likeable of late. Think he needs to get another junior copywriter pregnant to redress the balance.
I'm not sure whether he's actually some enlightened forward-thinking man or anything but he certainly recognises what is good and bad for business and I think the fact he's surrounded by absolute dinosaurs makes him look a better man in modern-day terms than he actually is.
And thereby you've stumbled across what makes Mad Men so great. Characters so deep and so richly drawn that you find yourself grappling with the minutae of their own personalities and how this fit in a) with the other characters in the show and b) with the ever-present social and political context in which it is played out.
Can't think of another show quite like it, in that regard.
he's like an alien pretending to be human, and getting it ever so slightly wrong, which sums him up perfectly! I don't 'like' him, but he is hilarious.
The bit where he walked into the wall :'D
And then, having got what we he wanted from Roger, he still tried to stuff him.
The I remember he gets to bone Alison Brie and I'm all GRRRRR
Also - Peggy and Pete standing over a baby....AWKWARD
There was a very real sense of the dynamics in relationships between the characters shifting. Probably most obvious between Pete and Roger. I love Pete...he's quitely become my favourite character. It all started with the Charlestown.
and also I tweeted about this yesterday but I'm going to post it again, shamelessly. A classic bit of overthinking by a guy who doesn't realise the blackouts on his advance screener DVD are just markers for where the ads should be:
that's definitely where the ads were, isn't it? Brilliant.
and the 60s style continuity dude were a nice touch.
Also loved Old Man Cooper arguing about Vietnam with the young'uns and making a massively insensitive "this is what he's coming home in a body bag for?" type comment in front of the navy guy.
As well as the weight loss/fake tan/new frames, Harry is now apparently universally hated.
That no one has mentioned Pete's jacket from the party is astonishing. A couple of belting lines that went unmentioned - Pete's "did you hear I was going to be here and just show up" to Roger at the party, and Don referring to Betty and Henry as 'Lurch and Morticia' right at the start.
Love this show the most.
But with every series/every promotion he's gotten more and more cocky and sleazy.
He also reminds me of Peter O'Hanrahahanrahan
...I'm the Head of the Television Department! http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BDKQliH1awY/0.jpg
the navy guy 'i thought there were gonna be girls here'
was a bit on the nose, but then I just wrote an essay about this, so perhaps I'm sensitive to it
What was written on the back of the photo? I couldn't make it out.
Xs and Os all day, Dolores (I think)
That'd give Lane a stonk on for sure.
Fatty Betty Francis <3
I mean, I've seen the episode but most here won't get it til tomorrow!
but yeah, top episode.
I know thats fairly normal, but he really surpassed himself this time
not sure how I feel about Fat Betty. I'll prefer it if they stick with it, rather than making her miraculously lose all the weight again. Hopefully Ginsberg will be an interesting character - the fact that they've showed us his home life suggests he'll be more major than Stan or Joey.
Pete's speech was brilliant <3 I think the war between him and Roger will probably be my favourite thing about this series. Hope Roger wins! (He won't win).
Don talking to the Rolling Stones groupie was great, similar to the very first episode when he talks to the guy about Lucky Strikes. It was kind of sad in a weird way that he seemed genuinely not interested in sleeping with her - finally, he's too old and uncool.
Not sure about this Betty storyline. They're reacting to her real-life pregnancy right? No good can come of this.
The new guy seems a bit broad at the minute as well but I'm certain he'll be another perfectly drawn addition eventually.
but i don't know about the new guy - seems to bouce off peggy really well.
also, what happened to the guy with the beard in season 4 and smoked a pipe?
He wasn't in season 4, think he was one of the left-behinds from the Sterling Cooper Draper Price breakaway wasn't he?
i watched s1-4 in 3 weeks, so they all kinda blur.
(fair enough it was an easy way to explain her pregnancy) but there was no real build up to it. Fair enough she was always depressed, but now she's pigging out on chips and ice-cream. It was a bit of a character leap. Though I did love how Mr Francis was so affectionate towards her, even though she put on a bit of weight.
can still make you fat, even if it's not cancer?
To be honest, she's fat but she's still Betty. She's a pretty fat lady, I'm not surprised Henry still fancies her. And if anything, she's slightly nicer now! (to Sally at least).
fat and pretty.
Her bitchy chat with Henry's mum was fantastic
But I must admit, the mum was pretty hilarious in her come back when Betty quipped she was not a skinny woman either, and the Mum said she was old so it didn't matter.
I definitely thought it was a good explanation, but then you see her gulp down another big glass of ice-cream when Sally left, which just explained that she was fat because she upped her food intake.
it's shit that Sal Romano no longer features after his firing. He was a good character and his storyline was interesting.
Alas, no. Wonder what he's up to.
Mid way through season 4 when they brought back Ken it seemed like they were veering far too close to pressing the reset button
When he refuses to tap up his father-in-law's business <3
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT BETTY'S FAT SUIT!!!!!!11!
Much better than last week, I thought.
- Dr. Rape finally getting his comeuppance. U bastard.
- Peggy. On the piss throughout, extorting money from Roger, and the drunken conversation with Dawn towards the end.
- The scenes between Sally and Pauline in the 'haunted mansion'. Sally Draper is an incredible actress.
Wasn't sure what to make of the dream sequence... Also didn't clock that Andrea was Madchen Amick (she of Twin Peaks fame) til later on.
I didn't think I was enjoying this weeks one as much as I was whilst watching it. It's really stayed with me afterwards though and I think it's probably the best of the season so far.
Sally and Pauline are a wonderful duo to watch. It makes me sad that I'm not going to be able to see how her entire life ends up panning out. She's fantastic.
Hey Trotsky, you're in advertising :D
But this week despite his best attempts Peggy won on points.
They should have a competition to see how many weeks they can create a situation which Rogers needs to solve with a wad of cash
At the time I was like this is a bit stupid
But bar Don's story, it's all stayed with me and unraveled more and more in my mind
AV Club do a fantastic job as ever of summing up things I'd never even thought about http://www.avclub.com/articles/mystery-date,71601/
They can miss the mark for me with other shows sometimes but the Mad Men ones are always brilliant. Insightful and well-written.
things are clearly going well between Abe and Peggy and she's taking on some of his more radical ideas. Is he living with her? She said her spare room was full of his clothes. I'm enjoying that relationship, but I do kind of hope she'll have a little thing with Joyce. I love Joyce.
It had moments of absolute sublime mastery, and bits that just left me going *nah, fuck off*
under the couch at the end was such a beautiful reveal
She was also the social worker in E.R. wasn't she?
Seeing lane give pete a good thrashing was entirely satisfying! excellent episode
– basically saying what we're all thinking.
love this show
what an amazing episode.
if anyone thought they'd "lost it", this was proof they hadn't. the fight was so ridiculous, yet perfectly acceptable. and of course, pete's spiral into Don with Don looking on is worth every fading smile afte rbeing ignored by a teenager. Pete isn't Don, no matter how much Pete wishes he was, and I don't see him being strong enough to carry the burden of prostitutes and flirting with other women. also, truddy doesn't deserve the fate of Betty.
When Lane says what happened. And they sit there. Then start laughing. BROKE me.
Don pulling the curtains :'''''''D
Megan unable to remember Alex Mack's name
Did anyone else think that Peggy told Roger about Ken's writing? i know he blamed Pete but there was something about her reaction
but then her reaction actually made me think that maybe it wasn't. I reckon it was though.
I didn't even think of suspecting Peggy.
The fact that he lies to her and says he's giving up writing means that whether she told Roger or not, whether Ken *thinks* she told Roger or not, he's decided not to trust her completely with the news that he's still doing it.
his own writing career. Wonder how many copies of Stirling's Gold he sold?
This has blown my mind.
near the end of series 4.
Just absolutely dismantling Pete for an hour which is something I'm guessing we've all wanted to see for a while but they still managed to make me feel so bad for him despite how abhorrent he acts. Imagine being that dissatisfied with everything all of the time.
(apart from the fight of course)
Trudy bullying Don into coming to her house
Pete's disappointed face when 'Handsome' appeared
Trudy's excellent dresses
The reaction to what Ken's robot story was about (I think Don got it and liked it)
Don correcting the surname of that sniper 'Whitman'
the joke about the World Cup (put in especially for English viewers, I'm guessing)
I actually did feel a little sorry for Pete at the end. The failure of all his attempts to be like Don is so pathetic.
Lane trying to find out what the Jaguar guy was unhappy about
and the way Don says "I wish your husband was this good at closing a deal"
sent shivers down my spine. It's just so well written and acted, god damn.
in the previous
England fans wearing Union Jacks, singing God Save The Queen, and saying, "it's a good day to be British."
it was exaggerated, but those people are exaggerated anyway! 60s established Class Britain seemed far more extrovert than it is now, hence Lane and the Rolls Royce dude sentimentalising the war and how Britain was "truly great then". That's pretty much exactly how I'd expect those characters to act (cuz some of them are still alive!)
since season 3 of Angel.
Lane is the best.
but i now have it on good authority that if you sit with a girl and watch it they will more than likely jump on you and fuck you. there you have it.
my claim is based on good authority
my boyfriend's not allowed to speak until it's finished.
she said "yeah, i watched it on my own and it still did that to me"
so there you go
I was so taken aback by the Whitman response I didn't notice it. Awesome!
The last 2 episodes have been terrific. Whilst Lane's sudden change to having loss of his control over his emotions in this episode wasn't really that convincing - it made for cracking television nonetheless.
I'm very much enjoying this season but I do have to flag my reservation after the first couple of episodes. It seems the pacing is still a bit off... but then again, it's because they now have so many characters with so many stories and so many angles it's difficult to cram it all in to 45 minutes. As a result, the show is suffering a little because it is lacking the development which made it so rewarding in the first place.
It'd be good to see longer episodes (maybe an hour) and longer series (maybe 20 episodes) from now on. If the network allows obviously. They've just got too much to cram in these days and it's straining the show.
Of course - they'll probably go for the simpler solution and just get rid of some characters. Think Ken Cosgrove and possibly Lane are for the chop at the end of this season...
and completely in character with how he behaved when he first arrived in america, got a black playboy bunny girlfriend and introduced her to his disciplinarian father. he may be uptight but he's also always looking for ways to detonate that side of himself.
where he found the wallet and had that conversation with the woman on the phone...
But, again, that side of his character was revealed over about 3 episodes and it fitted in better with his overall character development. His temper boiling over in this episode and crossing over a number of professional boundaries is not exactly improbable, but it just happened all so suddenly that it kind of left you thinking `oh... that's a bit of a big leap for a character for a man who's built on restraint and English reservedness`.
My only issue is with the pacing of it really though. As I mentioned, it seems they don't have enough time to tell the stories in the classic Mad Men way. And the show suffers slightly as a result. In my opinion.
See also the first two episodes of s2 of game of thrones.
Now they've both done that overall placesetting they can settle down to telling the intricate stories that drive the overarching narrative
Episode 3 was very poor though (the one Jon Hamm directed - inexperienced and it showed!)
But I still think it's a little too quick for my liking, although it has returned more to its trademark subtlety than episodes 1 and 2.
A minor gripe, maybe, but it is this that transforms Mad Men from `Reliably excellent television` to `Television that reaches the parts that nothing else comes close to` for me.
this show is stunning
It's gonna need to sit with me for a while I think.
it was like a fucking david lynch film
It's always a bit jarring when a show which takes it's time to develop so well has an episode which really gear shifts and lurches the narrative forward though.
Roger and Jane are finished?
Don and Megan's honeymoon period has come to a really jarringly abrupt end.
Peggy is someone who'll give a handjob to a stranger in a cinema?
I liked it the more I think about it but it wasn't sitting particularly comfortably whilst viewing.
Internally screaming at Don to stop. It's amazing how much I've invested in that relationship over essentially 7 episodes and how cynical I was about it at the start.
but that's simultaneously what's terrifying about it.
also I'd hasten to point out Peggy was pretty high in that cinema. Still surprising though. Clearly fancies Ginsberg
As if it wasn't hard enough already for her to be the bosses wife surrounded by people who've worked hard to get where they are.
I hope/think Peggy has got enough about her to realise that though but the recent developments for her have made me a bit worried about this.
why can't that include that? Anyway, I don't think that's the complete reason, Peggy's clearly stressed both by work and personal identification, its more the combination
and the comments about how much they loved the colour scheme, what with it being all teal and orange. i think it was an in-joke.
not verrrrrry intereszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
including the ice-cream (which he ordered for her, Don(g) is such a dick) it felt unreal particuarly after the previous sterling scene
gonna try and catch up soon.
I have no idea what significance this has, but that is the infamous "rigged" World Series where the Chicago White Sox intentionally lost to the Cincinnati Reds due to gangland mafia involvement from a young Al Capone/Arnold Rothstein as mentioned in Boardwalk Empire/Great Gatsby
liked the way they didn't just play Roger on acid for laughs, when it would have been so easy to do only that.
Pete and Megan's father
Roger generally on fine bantersaurus form
Sally at the very end :D
and, oh man, that shot of them all sat at the table. laughed so much. like the emo last supper.
3rd episode in a row that is up there with one of the best of the entire series
It had so much going on and so many dynamics to consider all with the actors not even moving let alone saying anything. Incredible stuff.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm so sad that it's not possible for this show to span the duration of Sally's life.
I loved the whole set up with Peggy and Abe. Was Peggy genuinely ok with it? Was Joan genuinely supportive? I can't help feeling that Peggy's mum's going to be proved right, sadly. I also loved Peggy congratulating Megan's success by saying 'This is a great day for me!'
The bit where Pete showed Emile what he does all day: cruel but brilliant.
Roger and Sally together were so great. Sadly I'm guessing after the end of the episode she won't be so pally with him any more.
and the line 'Peggy, a traditionalist in the bosom arena...'
Every episode this season has seemed a lot better after a day or two which is a testament to how subtle this show is.
there's something I missed. I saw that Don was reading the Pulitzer prize-winning novel in bed when Megan made a joke about him usually reading James Bond (I had to look up the book, it was The Fixer by Bernard Malamud) but later on apparently he was reading a French/English dictionary :D
The AV Club has certainly been stronger for me. Although a lot of that just comes down to different readings and interpretations and the fact that the show is able to get differing but equally valid responses to everything it does is a great thing.
he gets so many details wrong (he thought Betty's nickname was Bertie not Birdie!), and isn't as inciteful as the old one was. But the people who comment below often have some really good points.
quite possibly my favourite episode yet. 10/10
BOOM. ROLL CREDITS.
If so, you are a gimp.
I like how the writers set him a task to achieve each week
Also: now his third eye's open and Joanie's ditched rape boy, the world's greatest love story can conclude
*You know, most of the time when you’re talking to someone, their mind is actually miles away.*
*Roger, everyone who hasn’t taken LSD knew that already.*
but I'm afraid my favourite character since series 4 has been Peggy.
poor poor sal.
Now it's Pete as a character study, but Roger for sheer glee at watching him.
Must have cost them an absolute fortune.
Pete's affair is a bit troubling. Didn't like how they suddenly introduced Rory purely for the sake of having the affair. Seemed a bit rushed. Minor complaint in another amazing episode though. The Cool Whip pitch was so hard to watch.
Just the other party within the affair turned up suddenly this week solely so Pete could have his way with her. Would have liked to have seen her a few more times before they actually got down to it ideally.
Like I said, very minor complaint though.
which I prefer, then you don't know so much what's going to happen in each episode.
And they didn't even use the whole song!
I was hoping for silent credits after that. I guess when you've paid 250k for a song you'll get your use of it though.
Basically: this is happening, whether Don likes it or not.
Also, Tomorrow Never Knows still sounds fucking exceptional almost half a century later.
The guys who ran the shop were awesome, used to give me discounts and stuff in advance etc, even got to the point where they let me take stuff home for free under the proviso that I'd pay for it if I liked it and bring it back if I didn't.
They sent me off with Revolver that day and told me to listen to Tomorrow Never Knows after Setting Sun. It blew my mind.
I also like how Don exited the scene like he was in a play, which was an echo of Megan's return to the stage.
i actualolled so hard when pete was on the phone and harry walked over. lolololololol.
They've already had Chekhov's lawnmower so why not?
His reaction to Megan telling everyone about the acting was brilliant.
You know what else takes a lot of guts? Never having any money for lunch. I'm out fifteen dollars now. What am I supposed to do? Ask Don for it? Call her? I mean, I think it's clear why she left.
He's born to be cast in the Woody Allen role in a Woody Allen film.
Except it was a negative one then and is a positive one now.
ROGER'S AMUSED FACE
still had great moments though
"i don't think about you at all"
is that the walk through the office afterwards showed us it was such a lie. don is worried about the younger breed a lot.
they're consistently the most hilarilous thing about the show. I swear the producers are making a joke about the show's pace/all "next week teasers. This weeks had Pete saying "BUT YOU'D HAVE TO STAY PAST 5:30?!!!!?!!?!?"
they have become something of a joke between me and the lady. we make jokes like them a lot now, like "TOMORROW ON LIFE" etc.
yes, we are as lame as that makes us sound.
there was one last week where the most dramatic thing that happened was Don answering a telephone. "Hello?"
think it's time to kill off January Jones. her character is so dull.
they just don't seem to know what to do with her any more. I enjoyed this review about her: http://www.avclub.com/articles/dark-shadows,73750/
The Don/Betty/Megan/Sally powerplays are absolutely incredible to watch. Betty is a fucking dickhead.
Really enjoyed Don trying to prove to himself that he still had it as well, he just about does but he's in very real danger of being usurped now.
Roger was on fire again as usual, I was guiltily LOLing to all his Jewish material.
but after the last 4-5 weeks of pretty much perfect television, it felt like a bit of a step down. But that's no bad thing, it was still better than most other shows.
I'll take your word for it fo sho
DON'T LET IT IN DON
Although yea, a bit heavy handed
Most of the time she just made me feel sorry for Don which I don't think was the intended outcome
and what she thought other people expected of her and how things actually were was one of the most interesting things in the show for the first few seasons imho
i guess shes not been in this season too much so idk i like betty tho
the whipped cream thing was awesome
Then realised how stupid what he was saying was
and thats good cause he's a wee wart
They seem a better 'fit' for me. If that makes sense.
Don getting riled up by Ginsberg is a nice little twist. Nice to show that advertising is, and was, always a young man's game...
much better than the other Betty one.
Loved Roger having to hand over yet another wad of cash. Ginsberg is fast becoming my new favourite. The way he talks to Don makes my jaw drop. It shows how soft/unlike the old Don he's becoming: anyone speaking to him like that in an early series would feel his wrath!
Sally's angry and condescending voice is terrifying. She's totally Betty's daughter in those moments.
I'm starting to think that Don may have genuinely changed. Anyone else? Am I being optimistic? I feel it's more likely that Megan will cheat on him than he will on her.
I looked up the poem Ginsburg was quoting because I didn't know that rest either ('look on my works, ye mighty, and despair'). It's Ozymandias by Shelley. Ginsburg really should look up the rest (pride comes before a fall etc): http://www.online-literature.com/shelley_percy/672/
The ratings have been falling in the US for this, and part of it I reckon is the lack of Don banging everyone and getting up to all sorts.
So I reckon we'll see a revertion to old Don by the end of the series. Remember this from the previous episode:
MEGAN: You're everything I hoped you would be
DON: *gritted teeth and sad eyes* ...so are you
Think we'll see a totally different dynamic to their relationship from now on.
I did like Don's sweet note though, with the harpooned whale on the other side. Almost made me feel sorry for Betty.
Thats why it isn't on network television. I agree than don hasn't changed really he's just trying to maintain, but it's going to blow up eventually!
this season is holding up against the last one
they've declined since the start but it looks like the show just got an abnormal bump, probably because of all the hype about it coming back after being off-air for so long.
But, I still think Don will go back to his old ways...
And all the papers are like MAD MEN OMG! IT'S THE BEST!!!!!!!!!
So people tune in and are like *I have no idea who any of these people are or what's going on*
'I'm thankful that I have everything I want and nobody has anything better'
just superb work from betty.
I find that Peggy says things like that too sometimes (like 'this is a great day for me!' to Megan).
we knew this already though
is that I read Don's riveting speech at the end as a sign that he's now getting fed up with Megan and is ready to do work again, basically from the conversation he had with Joan, but maybe that's what they want me to think.
airplane is here 2 see u.
Not sure about Lane's criminality, seems somewhat out of character especially as we haven't really seen how much of a bind he is in.
Kinsey as a Hare Krishna didn't work for me AT ALL either. Was way too broad for a show like this I thought.
Don and Joan absolutely burnt up the screen though, good Lord those two have chemistry.
would be on Lane now for the suicide the series has apparently been building up to. I would guess his embezzlement dropping the firm in the shit is going to form the crux of the season run-in but it's very strange there's been no hint about it to this point. We knew he was a bit of a shady fucker where the ladies were concerned but not this.
Trouble ahead for Don and Megan? Sitting at the table drinking wine alone while he was out with another woman was all very Betty. The Don/Joan scenes in the bar were probably the sexiest thing ever broadcast on television.
Lifted straight from the AV Club review ;-)
It was fucking smoking though
call the fuckin cops
Any of this coming!
Was surprisingly emotional at Peggy leaving. Completely flipped my idea of where this season will end, I'm desperately looking forward to next week, yet have no idea where it'll lead!
None of the others exactly covered themselves in glory with the whole sordid situation but his transparent desire for it to happen from the get go was really nauseating.
I mean he seemed perfectly willing to see someone he loves/loved who is the mother of his child get manipulated and used like that, especially considering the way he refused to do business with the Japanese due to the war in the last season.
Otherwise it was an outstanding episode
My god. What an episode.
Every tune from MadMen
I've been calling Peggy leaving all season, but when it happened, man alive, it hurt.
Don holding her hand :''''''''''''''(
And the Joan storyline made me sad beyond belief. Don's face when she walked into the partner's meeting :''''''''''''''(
NEXT WEEK ON MAD MEN: *I don't think we should talk about this over the phone* DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
I guess we all were rooting for Peggy, huh? But I'd hate to be Don now. He's got what he wanted - a car account at his agency, and that's them "on the map", but at what cost? His wife left the office, Joan had to prostitute herself (which was masterfully revealed to have happened before he called on her, clever), and Peggy was left to waste and she decided enough was enough.
- I thought for about 10 seconds that Sal was in Megan's casting call back. Damn. Though, maybe with Paul and Freddy back, he could be too?
- I felt really sorry for Ken - he's the only one in the whole office that's actually good. He dreams big. I wish there was more focus on him.
- Pete's now worse than Don ever was, and as bad as Roger. Despite his protestations, Roger is Pete's immediate future. Trudy deserves better.
- I have no idea how the Lane plot is going to play out.
Very decent dosh.
keep punching me in the heart
flashbacks of season 4 of the wire and whitecaps episode of sopranos, particularly. crushing.
but it didn't tug at my heart at all. I have no attachment to any of these characters, its weird, I feel nothing, I'm cold inside I guess.
i'm getting so much out of this season
When it actually happened it was still devastating.
Aside from Don and despite his recent embezzlement I've always thought Lane had the most morale integrity out of all the partners.
...Lane's gone. Although I thought as suicide scenes go in TV it was actually quite tame and laced with black humour (the unreliability of the Jaguar... a car you can't even rely on to be able to kill yourself in) which worked better I think. Would've been a bit much if they'd overdone it.
I don't think we've seen the end of Peggy. Her leaving was dealt with in too slight a manner for a major character. I think she'll be back at SCDP by the second episode of next series at the latest. Unless the actress is leaving - there's no value to the show in her jumping ship.
Still think Ken's gonna get chopped too. Would be in line with him and Peggy's pact. She's gone, now he will... except, she'll come back and he won't.
Think I need to watch it again
I'm clearer about what I thought. I felt this episode to be really quite detached and plodding which is mad given it was concerning the suicide of one of its main characters. I think its partly because its been pretty obvious it was going in this direction for a while, but when it did happen, it just seemed to be like "oh right, Lane's dead, finally". I'm not saying I wanted an over-the-top gratuitous emotional scene about it, but you know, I didn't dislike Lane so I really should have felt more about his untimely departure
As a result of this it might be my favourite MM series. Though I haven't watched the others for 18 months.
Saying that it has been the least subtle of the 5 series, which is a negative. Though as the AV Club review hinted at, this could be due to audiences knowing the characters inside out, and our knowing of how MM themes and plots work over 5 series.
Felt a little short changed with Lane's suicide. Personally felt he went missing in a lot of the episodes that weren't about him, so the momentum of his downward spiral seemed stuttered to me. Though the episode itself had my stomach in horrible knots, and having him go through with hanging himself after failing to do so in the Jag was a nice touch, as I felt he wouldn't go through with it after that.
Roger on good form throughout. The LSD theme was always going to be good, even if its not the most difficult to write. Quite poignant at times. Highlight definitely the beginning of his LSD trip when he thought he was still fine *drink vanishes*
That stretch of episodes in the middle of the series is right up there with the best stretch of episodes in television.
The music and cinematography has been exceptional as always. The history references again, lovely.
would have been easy just to play him on LSD just for laughs.
...for reasons I discussed upthread but it really, really came back strongly from the middle until the end. It's had some seriously iconic moments this series. Roger on LSD, Lane's suicide, Peggy `quitting`, Fat Betty, Lane giving Pete a kicking, Zou Bisou Bisou etc. etc. Probably the most `moment packed` series there has been really.
The finale was brilliant. One of the most elegant pieces of television you are ever likely to see. Ok, so not much `happened` but that was a good thing. Brilliantly scripted and the cinematography throughout was absolutely peerless. Season 6 is probably going to be the best season. I can feel that from here.
*If nothing else, Matt Weiner created a season that featured lots and lots of people hitting Pete Campbell in the face, and I think we can all thank him for that.*
hahaha. I thought this was a great series, so many wonderful episodes, and a surprising amount happens. Last night not one of the best, but I was glad to see Peggy back. And Roger taking LSD on his own at the end! Like harmon_kardon, this was the first series I've watched on TV rather than a box set binge, and it really works that way, gives you time to think about each episode separately.
I've noticed that in a lot of the blogs and fan discussions, people seem to hate Megan. I love Megan! She's been brilliant this series. I love how modern (for 1967) and honest and nice she is. I hope she does succeed next season and not get ground down by Don.
She showed her true colours when she asked Don to recommend her for a crap advert, instead of her friend who asked earlier.
I'm on her side though.
Why?! She's done very little wrong all series...
FWIW I thought last nights was one of the all time great Mad Men episodes. I genuinely did.
I didn't need the montage to be honest at the very end and there was something odd tonally and thematically about it which just made it feel like a mid-season episode rather than a memorable finale.
Some of the imagery has got increasingly heavy handed as the season has progressed and I thought it culminated in the bad tooth this week. Pete's dalliance with Beth has been poorly handled from the beginning for me as well and the electro-shock therapy seemed like something of a deus ex machina as well.
All of that said I still think this has been the most compelling season yet for the show, I think the lack of a focussed seasonal story arc has allowed for some magnificently subtle character development and depth with real nuance until they started ramping up the everyone-in-the-world-is-dissatisfied imagery.
I fucking love this show.
Don with his bad tooth: `Ah it'll go away...` No it won't Don, no it won't! Nothing ever does! LOOK!!!
But Mad Men's always been a bit unsubtle with the metaphors. Right from the start. One of its only flaws really.
But for me it was a memorable finale precisely because it didn't try to do anything memorable. Real life doesn't have ratings grabbing events in it - neither should Mad Men. Moreover it was a controlled and elegant statement from the director/writers which served as a reminder of `we know exactly where we're going with this... just be patient`. The writers are in such control of the characters, it really is breathtaking.
or the bit with Lane's wife, or the explicit Adam bit: but actually there were loads of brilliant moments in it. Don and Peggy in the cinema! The fight on the train! The ludicrous shot in the new upstairs office!
Yeah, especially on the AV Club comments, people find Megan irritating, or not convincing as a 60s character, and they want Don to get rid of her. But she's so great! I like her cooking barefoot in jeans, and her sprightliness with Don, and Ginsburg complaining about her never bringing lunch money.
This series, I thought we were going to see more development with Peggy and Abe's relationship, and a possible affair with Ginsburg. Season 6 maybe?
I guess her flaws are more because she's a bit boring if anything but, what, she's not convincing as a 60s character? Heh, so are all of these comments coming from people who are 50+ and able to make an assured judgement on that? DOUBT IT!
Don't see it myself. But Ginsberg's definitely been my favourite character of late. Bloody love the guy.
I was very wrong
...like with his Dad and everything.
Now, he's the best.
She has allowed herself to descend into a life where everything is handed to her and she acts like a spoilt kid when she doesn't get what she wants which is all the more frustrating given what a beacon of light she was at the start of the season as a modern-thinking woman who was great with her work but also great with the kids etc
when Beth phoned Pete, and Pete was told it was his sister-in-law, did he answer the phone by saying *hello Judy*? Is Trudy's sister called Judy?!
is Pete's brother Budd's wife. She's been in it briefly in seasons past (the ep where his dad dies in the plane crash is one)
shame, but good knowledge.
Teeth look really weird when they're out of the mouth.
She has a bizarre and paradoxical power: on the one hand, being still an infant, occupies a "marginal" place to the adult problems , on the other hand, his intelligence and insight it takes to decipher many of the masks that the older characters use to survive in the jungle of the professional advertising world and to maintain the fragile balance of their marital and family lives.
The more difficult part is to get the notion that the character of the child does not have to be a "symbol" of his condition required group, but a character that distinguishes also for a look.
In other words: the challenge is to shoot the child as someone who, more or less illusions, empty or misunderstandings, elaborates his own views on the relations in which it is inserted.