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What the fuck happened?
Aren't our teenagers sexy enough nowadays?
Sort it out, ffs.
and guys are pertty gross looking
Kids know they get preggers they'll end up on bbc3.
Even the gypsies get Channel 4
now we can't even make babies with disturbingly young mothers.
I approve this post
It doesn't belong here.
Theo really hates Batman
for a good reason. you might want to put two and two and realise why it's not very good of you to be making an issue of it.
I'm not making an issue of anything.
I want change.
not a HUMAN OBLIGATION you total fucking womble.
Ok. You're either a troll or mentally challenged. So let's leave it here.
great thread all round everyone, good work
what this post is trying to say.
What the flying fuck is this crazy horse shit?
are you saying that illegal abortion and gay marriage is, like, a good thing???? or... what?
and while i can see at a stretch how you would make this connection from anti-abortion->caring more about kids (not that i agree), i have no idea what gay marriage is supposed to have to do with it. if anything gay marriage is pro letting everyone have families and kids
were you saying above it's not ok or cool to CHOOSE to not have children? Cause ... yeah, what?
"Assuming that men and women in both the uk and ireland are the same" - is that like assuming they're part of the same species or something?
Irish society is not British society. They generate different norms and in turn different laws.
and people could be missing out on it if they're influenced into having a family by pro-family media...
also you're massively overstating/imagining this 'negative press', settling down to have children is still completely seen as the standard normal thing to do in life after a certain age and a couple of 'hey guess what i don't want kids' articles is not gonna change that any time soon. , i still get asked 'aw but why not???? you'll totes change your mind when you're older biological clock lolol' if i mention that i probably don't want kids
you're right that the average age for having a family has gone up, but that's almost certainly down to things like changes in economic circumstance, greater difficulty in buying a home early, increased commitment to careers (especially for women) and less pressure to immediately marry the first person you fall in love with (this isunequivocally a good thing), as opposed to 'negative media influence' against having kids
and uh yeah it's pretty weird and vaguely authoritarian to be 'pained' by seeing a few articles talking about non-mainstream lifestyles because you personally don't like the idea of those lifestyles...
but to allow people to make informed choices, the government and the media need to tell people about: the prevalence of STIs, the connection teenage pregnancy has with child poverty, low educational attainment and overall life chances.
Laws and media are never irrelevant to how a society develops (I used the word norm because that's what we're really dealing with here; all the ideas and symbols circulating about pregnancy, abortion and marriage are gonna generate different levels of social acceptability for those things and in Ireland, I imagine, the ideas and symbols (such as laws) are less secularised than in Britain. So lawmakers, who are members of the same group (Irish society), are going to make laws which reflect this). Irish (or any) society's culture and law are internally connected.
be inappropriate in this thread? Thought so.
still though, that's not the point.
the point is: stop chattin' shit when you don't know anything.
it's embarrassing to read you writing about Ireland like this.
it comes across as very pretty patronising/ill-informed though.
hope you're having a nice time over there anyway.
I've heard this argument used before. It's perfectly valid.
OH WAIT NO THAT WAS IN BATTLESTAR FUCKING GALACTICA
i always thought that was a pretty rubbish plotline. why would you want to start work on enforced population expansion when you are still floating about in space with extremely limited space and resources and no guarantee of finding an inhabitable planet any time soon, ffs
whole 'ahhh, we are in difficult situations and yet our ethics are being chaaaalllleeeeennnngeeeeeed..' thing. I think if the cyclotrons had turned up while they were having their big debate on the subject Roslin would just have been "hand her a space coat-hanger and let her get on with it"
and didn't make very much sense as a meaningful dilemma at that particular point in the plot
episodes didn't it? Lee Adama, finding himself with spare time as a result of his entirely uneventful CAP position, decided to mount a one-man investigation of black marketeering aboard the fleet. WITH SEXY RESULTS
to symbolise he was getting lazy or something
It seems really odd that teenage pregnancy is down considering the way society is in general...
in place of unprotected teen sexytimes.
I hope so dude, I hope so. The lost art of didge slipping is something none of us want to see.
there are a lot of factors that could have caused this. Maybe safe sex is becoming much more widely practiced. Maybe the whole CONDOMS MAKE SEX SHIT attitude is dying out amongst teenage guys. Maybe teenage girls are more sensible than in the past with the pill.
I dunno I'm not having a go obvs but there's loads of factors to consider, of which poverty/unemployment is one but by no means the only one, or even maybe the most important one.
where they're still into abstinence-based sex ed
but too lazy
we don't want another intense feminism debate.
(it is, though)
but we can look at things from more than one angle!!!
Maybe fewer teenagers are deciding that they want to have children and are pursuing other things instead? Sex education is better than it was. More teenagers are able to make informed choices.
when people post something which they disagree with, or feel 'DiS', should disagree with.
The pregnancy rate includes those which were subsequently aborted as well, I am surprised it hasn't been this low since the 70s. Kind of scuppers the tabloid argument that teenagers all now have kids to get free benefits and sex education leads to loads of babies and promiscuity.
but having a family is NOT a right. That's why IVF is not given free an unlimited amount of times. it's why not everybody will qualify for adoption (not that I agree with most of the draconian adoption policies in this country, but that's tangental.) If you want children and your body will produce them (with or without a little intervention) then good luck to you. But it is not a basic human right.
It's certainly not an obligation.
My mum works with teens and says lots of girls are now using the contraceptive injection. She's also seen less of a willingness of those girls who do get knocked up the stick to go through with the pregnancy. perhaps our youth have different aspirations now. Like to go on x factor with a flat stomach, or something.
it is really though innit.
Maybe I'm coming at it like too much of a lawyer, but if I can't have a kid, who do I sue? "god"? the powers of nature? All the men who failed to impregnate me? Therefore, I have no *right*.
not about like laws etc IMO. The science is there so that anyone can have a baby, so the NHS should support anyone who wants to have one. Pretty straightforward.
yeah I don't really know how much work it is to do this really.
just did a bit of research and it seems to be about £5000 pp to do one cycle of IVF. doesn't really seem that much.
times by however many cycles average person gets till they become pregnant (plus people who do not give up because money is no longer an issue) times by several years plus lots of new applicants.
that number gets bigger.
i'm inclined to think it would be more worthwhile reforming the adoption process to make it much easier and more appealing. i don't know that bearing a genetic child should be a 'right', but adoption should be a viable option for everyone
this is a really fascinating (and sad) case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_v_United_Kingdom
apart from increasing child tax credits *slightly* above inflation, what have they actually done in terms of family policy?
(Except close a load of sure start centres of course..)
time for mac_daddy to get to work
the babies being had on a whole or by an induvidual becoming a mother, be that to three or more babies/children?