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got to go in tomorrow to talk about being accosted by a beggar and made to give him money.
Did you complain to the police about them?
have to go in and discuss what happened, and I dont really want to; I only rang because I was concerned it might happen to someone vulnerable or elderly.
a) saying no
b) threatening him
c) giving him a dig
b) no, I'm 5'6 and he was 6'4
c) don't really want booking for assault.
Basically what happened is I was standing at the cashpoint when the bloke behind me tapped me on the shoulder. I turned around and he stood so I could not walk away and started this spiel about how he was homeless, no bed for 8 months, blah blah blah. Right full up in my face, but not threatening me or anything. Then basically told me to get him out £100. I didn't. He stood right up next to me going 'Please. Please. Please', and was in such a position that I would have had to push past him to leave. I tried being friendly but that just made things worse. In the end I just thought 'fuck it' and gave him the money, then called the police on him when he had gone. Annoying.
should've just given him a shove. unless he falls and cracks his head open (or similar) no-one will care less.
don't really want to get assaulted.
disable him with a single right hook.
or...wipe your vagina and scream.
Stop making things up.
about needing it for a hostel for a week and it was £10 a night. He originally had me for more but I just swore blind it was all I had in there.
There comes a stage where you just have to put your foot down with these people.
I'll give you enough to stay there for 10 nights, no longer!
I realise that's unsympathetic, but really - you had options other than handing over money under no real duress.
I did kind of have options, but you know, heat and fear of the moment and all that.
I'm aware this is probably the weediest crime ever and I need to MTFU and so on etc, but it didn't feel like that. I'm 5'6 and he was a 6'4, pretty wellbuilt guy who could have had anything on him at all. Nobody else was around. I didnt have a lot of options.
where was this cashpoint, down a dark alley? should of jabbed the cunt and made a scene at least... 100 sheets, hahahah bet he was having a right laugh to his smack dealer bout this escapade.
that's called being mugged.
but I wasn't physically threatened so I wasn't sure. It was quite stressful. :-/
harassed you and, from your story above, intimidated you ("He stood right up next to me going 'Please. Please. Please', and was in such a position that I would have had to push past him to leave. I tried being friendly but that just made things worse"). i would say that while it isn't a mugging in the traditional sense, he did pressure you in such a way as to make you unsure what the result would be if you continued to refuse.
i think you should have just told him to fuck off. are you a boy or a girl?
I'm a boy
men aren't magically less vulnerable to physical attack.
if anything men fighting back is the reason more of them end up physically injured in robberies
i was thinking that if the OP was a girl, then the behaviour of the tramp is even less acceptable.
It's probably best to tell him loudly to fuck off and make a bit of a scene. It looks a bit embarrassing, but it's a far better situation than being forced to hand over money.
what the duck, man?
and that if you hadn't he would have gotten violent. Even if he didn't physically threaten you; if you felt intimidated enough to handover £100 then its a mugging
the police say I gave it over willingly according to CCTV
I gave it over with a friendly attitude because I was scared
Wow, it took them 3 months to look at it when my mate got hit in the face with a bin
yours actually happened
then suddenly push past him and leg it a few metres.
Unpleasant as the guy sounds, if all he did was block your exit and ask for money but didn't directly threaten you then I can't see how it could be demonstrated that he'd committed a crime/forced you to hand it over.
It sounds like a horrible situation but I'm not convinced it's an illegal/provably illegal one...
I only phoned up in case he moved on to some vulnerable OAP or something. Not sure why I've got to discuss it as I dont want to press charges.
but i would expect an OAP to handle the situation with more confidence than you did
He's probably got a ton's worth of afghanistan's taste the difference skag rolling through his veins right now
show him that you're not vulnerable with some firm but non inflammatory language (and eye contact) and he'll give up on you.
the police aren't going to be able to do anything, people like this are everywhere, especially in a city. you just have to chalk it up as a life lesson and move on.
- pump iron
- get a short back and sides
- chav it up a touch
shoot the first person to try it on
that will prevent everything!
Why on Earth do you think my answer would be the answer to how to prevent being mugged? That wasn't what you asked.
It didn't answer anything.
I've not at any point said looking confident stops you getting mugged. There's no guarantees of anything. I've just said it stops you looking like a vulnerable target for mugging. It's a simple fact that, the more evident your weaknesses are, the more likely it is bullies will prey on you.
Mainly because male muggers will just see them as generally easier to intimidate.
But with guys it's entirely true that looking confident in what you're doing, looking alert and together, will prevent a great deal of attention that is based entirely on the assumption they'll get what they want without a fight.
In reality it's not about being confident on its own, it's about looking more confident than the next guy their eyes alight on. Like in Manchester: we got broken into three times then we replaced the front door with a PVC job that was fucking impregnable; next door then got broken into frequently.
Often it's easier with women since they can just run up and rip their handbag off them in seconds. But they're definitely a target as much as guys are.
the one time i was involved in a mugging, 5 late 90s rudeboys came and hassled 5 of us because my friend had a phone (nokia 3210, it was the shit). we were super confident.
Let's have a look at your phone!
Don't think so sorry lads!
We've all got knives!
Yeah, chinny reckon!
Hey, can I have some money please? Thanks yeah.
There is a difference between armed gangs out to mug people and opportunistic bullies and there's certainly no way that you can absolutely avoid being mugged by simply acting confident.
But it does make most opportunistic bullies look at other more suitable targets...
and there was a photo ID parade and one of the photos was of a 13 year old kid that they'd booked when he was ten but they thought might've assaulted my brother as a 20-odd year old. How are you supposed to pick a 13 year old kid out as a 23 year old who punched you in the face eh
if they'd booked him when he was ten in the past that would've been even weirder.
we've all seen the "how confident are you" thread.
anyone would think this was drownedinbadmans.com
I'm sure lots of us have been in the position. When I was young and new to London I got into a position where a homeless guy literally took money out my wallet. It was only four or five quid thankfully but was still a tough lesson in never getting your wallet out in front of people.
It's a sad fact that in life certain people will look for the easy person to exploit and learn to exploit them. So, ultimately, if you're the kind of person who looks easy to exploit, you need to find a way to develop an exterior to negate that.
It doesn't necessarily mean pumping iron and being a terrifying bad-ass - just carrying yourself with a bit of confidence and sense of purpose so you don't look like the weakest gazelle in the pack. I'm not saying it's easy, or that hal_krishna hasn't got himself in a nasty position that's not his fault and shouldn't have happened. Just that sadly these things do happen and you need to learn from them when they do.
moving on up etc. I have always been to easy to crack and do whatever people want.
Time for a change, thanks for this :-)
the advice is harsh and shit, especially when confronting people who are intimidating you and might be prepared to use violence - if you want to avoid getting injured, what hal_krishna did probably wasn't that bad of an idea.
it's not even particularly useful seeing as it's after the fact and people have different immediate reactions in new situations that they can't control. there was no need for some of the stuff displayed in this thread. it was just a bit pathetic.
i have no idea how he carries himself or how he seems to, say, people eight inches taller and a lot bigger than him who might be concealing weapons, but the assumption in this thread is that it's incumbent on the victim to somehow anticipate who is potentially going to mug him and fix their "exterior" to deter them. hiding your valuables and not waving your money around is one thing but all this "looking confident" nonsense is quite another, it doesn't work for rape and it doesn't work for this imo
In terms of the mugging issue, by all means stick to your opinion. I'll stick to my experience.
If we're talking about pre-planned gangs threatening you with knives or guns, then it definitely won't help at all. Obviously.
If we're talking about cases like this one, where it looks like an opportunist has sensed an opportunity to intimidate someone into handing over cash, they're more likely to go for the target who looks nervous, afraid and easy to intimidate.
this vagabond probably asks 100 people a day. every now and again, some sorry assed pussy wilfully hands over the cash. OP- you need to take a long, hard look at yourself. sorry assed pussy mutha fucka. what the hell, man
There's a guy around here that fits that description.
just realised I probably shouldn't be talking about this pending seeing the police- oops.
Kick him in the shins.
that's not funny obviously.
and therefore, there can be nothing other than ridicule
is like a real life version of that rape analogy thing. You know the one. Yes, you do. Shut up.
It's a bit like saying it's partly your fault you got raped, 'cos you're a bit of a slag, and you don't have the ability to tightly clam up your own vagina/anus at will
you're trolling, yeah?
I know of no other way to exist.
two personal examples fit in this thread (both in birmingham, first one in the city centre uni campus, second one in a residential area on the edge of the city centre).
1. In my first year at uni, some guy gave me the patter about being a professor and having lost this and that and repaying etc blah blah and call this number at Plymouth uni, which I did, and it was Plymouth uni, but I can't remember the rest. Anyway, I handed over £50. Like a prick. Cos I was a naive bumpkin fresh into a big city. Entirely my fault. Called the police to report a con merchant. I can look back on it and smile now.
^Definitely not a mugging.
2. In my last year at uni, I was on my bike at a cashpoint in a quiet spot. Was on the lookout for approaching wrong 'uns. None about. Got my cash. Suddenly surrounded by four or five 13-15(?) year olds. They told me to jand over my phone and wallet. Said I didn't have a phone (plausible - this was in 2001). They said 'you better not be lying, or you'll regret it'. I thought 'fuck this for a game of soldiers, I'm not up for getting chibbed' and handed over my phone and wallet. The funny bit is that all of this was being watched by undercover cops in a car along the road. The made chase and recovered my stuff (which had to be kept as evidence for a while). The wee scrotes were arrested and charged. I went to a identification line-up but had absolutely no idea who to pick. The case went to trial. A couple of lads were done and had to do some sort of payback. Another couple of lads basically weedled their way of being sentenced on account of having mental issues.
^Definitely a mugging.
tl;dr summary: don't go around handing over money willy nilly, but, otoh, fuck it, if you're genuinely in a tight situation, it's only a few quid and not worth spilling blood over.
and james told me off for being stupid :(
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I'm the most squemish person in the world so I think I was just trying not to look at it.
It's probably just cause it's TBO, but still... I bet if he had MTFU'd and told the guy to fuck off and the guy didn't and beat him up, and TBO made a thread about it you guys would of told him he should have just given the dude the money.
Stop making things up
i got hit on the head with a half brick from behind then got a prolonged kicking on the ground from the three of them, so maybe you were wise.......however I was off my guard, now i would be and if I were blocked off by someone or 2 or 3 i thought were going to mug me again then i would kick their nads off, gauge their eyes out nut them and bite their fucking faces off, all before they got a chance to throw the first punch.....if i get done then i will be honest and say its because of my previous experiance....im not going to risk getting killed again
and you don't have the anger (I didnt....now i would, if i was switched on)
if you can hand it over then do it, I can't because im stubborn.
If i saw someone being mugged violently and i was switched on then id knack them .....hit them with blunt instrument from behind, push em into road in front of vehicle, anything, you're allowed to do anything in those situations in my opinion, its them or you (or £100) there is no point in being half cocked and getting yourself potentially killed, remember THEY are the ones that are trying to hurt innocent people, and they'd do it to others too
but putting aside personal views thats pretty crappy. Unlucky. I don't think you had much of a choice aside from it getting a bit fighty, if youre not up to it, then youre not up to it. In the past Ive squared up to a mugger (drunk) and people out for a scrap, if I was sober or it happened more recently Id think twice.
That's why i've decided to be an absolute cock for the rest of my life, that way, only good things will happen to me.
you did a nice thing OP :) just handing over cash to a stranger for no reason will really make their day
it's not as if he got out a few 20's and threw them in the faces of th first few folk he passed by.
Made me chuckle
I couldn't help but picture the mugger as Steve Buscemi's character in 'Big Daddy'.
Mostly because I'm a tightarse. And I don't have £100
They called again; all sorted out.
Have they found him and made him give you the money back?
Or told you there's chuff all you can do?
but took details etc, the only reason I rang was to ensure it doesn't happen to an elderly/vulnerable person, so it was successful in that respect. The money is a big blow but if I just don't go out this week or do anything, it should be OK.
and are stepping up CCTV security near there; that could all be bollocks though.
You're still out of £100
but it was my own fault really, so I'll just have to learn and move on. It's a nuisance and I dont have that sort of money, but if I'm careful for a week and a half it will be OK.
Its just best to be careful when taking out money at the cash machine. Try to go inside the bank in future, if its open, or plan when you need to take money out and do it in the day.
tell them your cashpoint card isnt working, and act like it is broken or the machine is broken. Then walk away.
I somehow can't imagine this happening to him, although lots of awful stuff has happened to him
users are disappearing all over the place these days.
linked to his atp ones a few weeks ago.
Everyone would be chipping in with 'hope you're ok' 'that sucks m8' and shit like that.
People are being a bit cunty.
I imagine you to be about 6'3" and a body builder
I'm more 5'10" and occasional jogger.
Massive right bicep though for some reason.
I can see why people are being a bit cuntish
I can't see [REDACTED] getting the same response. Or [REDACTED]. Or even [REDACTED]ckledOeuf.
Which is why if it was most other people I'd have a different attitude, so there [REDACTED]bum.
Just allow me to have my holier-than-though moment.
I just wish.... I just wish we could all like.... get along?
I GET ALONG WITH REAL GOOD, Y'KNOW WHAT I MEAN?!
So yeah, everyone's fairly guarded as the general assumption is that this is all made up.
if it really happened, then it's obviously not very nice. People saying MTFU etc are a bit silly.
My default reaction is not to believe it happened. Also, the opening post smacks of attention seeking / digging for people to say "What happened babez?".
I score this thread meh/10
being nice didn't really feel right anyway
Now, let's go and pick on some girls for not having peni.
You're a sick fuck, dude!
ONE HUNDRED POUNDS?
I know it's been said already but that's...well...it's just incredible.
I don't even like loaning my girlfriend money, let alone some beggar. He'd probably have had to prize that sort of cash from my cold, dead hands.
What happened sounds horrid and amounts to a crime, but I can understand why the police won't take it anywhere- I can imagine it would be hard to evidence unless you can see on CCTV that you look totally scared.
oh well, not a lot to be done
i can't be the only person thinking this whole thing never happened
They don't need to know.
Are you in Soviet Russia?
and they phoned me back
Rather than just hand over money.
maybe we could see about getting your money back from this guy?
specially as you are torn between him being a begger and a mugger.
which actually makes him a bugger....like you but in a different way....that could be worked into a routine surely? (sorry a bit insensitive I know)
because you are obviously complex since you were perfectly prepared to perform standup even though you were scared.....that to me is really brave, im not being patronising, just observing that whilstr some people are telling you to mtfu, they should also reflect on your standup and how bravery is not such a simple thing but is complex and weird
srsly....I'd love to do it.....I like Stuart Lee's idea.
draw a mental chalk circle on the ground, that is your sacred space, as a stand up when you are in that you can do anything...anything, be rude, be insipid, try anything, crah and burn deliberately, work the crowd up into a frenzy of hating you (performance art) if you like.......I think that it can/should be art, and I agree that it can be anything, it should/could be the free-est expression of art that there is....i read stuart lee's book, and that is brilliant, because you get a real sense of him trying to find satisfaction with what he does and how to 'do it right' and how to be brave, and his frustration at some things, but more than that he is anything but a cynic, he has so much sincere praise for that which he sees in other stand ups/performers that he admires.......so yeah id love to do it, i think its quite a noble and brave calling
I think there's something noble about it, challenging and observing society etc., but realistically most people including me are pretty shit at it, at pub level the quality is dreadful. it's all mother in law jokes.
and you might not have been brilliant, but as long as you develop it (not just polish it) by doing it in the first place you took a huge leap of bravery, i think the thing is to get a bit more confident and less stage struck, but before you get too comfortable keep with the momentum of the taking risks (that you did with the first gig)
(I loved his book as well its easily the best self biography that i think ive ever read, cos its not vain as in its not all about him but about his experiances and mortivations in developing his routines , his motivations are a bit like our own and we go along with him in the book, just like we do with his routines. seriously brilliant (and quite dense) book.
I look at his small cheap paperback standing on my bookshelf, alongside a big hardback copy of Russel Brands bookywook part 2 at 4 times the price and reflect on the relative value for money Lee's book being worth 1000 times that of brand's ....its just so comparatively empty (and i like brand)
keen on izzard.....ok izzard showboats, but he also takes risks doing standup in france without really speaking french.......doing upteen marathons without getting into shape........maybe they arnt risks though.....if izzards french thing was a fiasco, no one would berate him, his rep is already stellar
in his bedroom
in his mum's house
Bands need to give more to charity anyways, just try and make sure they are on a major label.
go after adele, beady eye and that singer from wild beasts.
he got caught doing the same to someone else yesterday.
he is a well-known figure, which is what I thought
What's he playing at?
a) the police
b) anyone who talks to you in the street.
LITERALLY ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED
a lot of people try to talk to me in the street around where i live. mostly i ignore them but i feel bad especially if they just say "hello" or "excuse me" so a guy said hi to me the other day, JUST HI" so i was like [no expression] "hi." and then he immediately launched into a horrible perverse tirade FUCKING SEXIST MEN ARGH
so from now on i ignore all other human beings