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I might go in the summer. but where?
tell me about your experiences
i would go to malawi
and it's quite nice isn't it, look
Four days in Marrakech, ask me anything...
I need to go to Nigeria, possibly next week. I am not looking forward to this.
I am going to Mauritania in April.
did you see big animals? what else did you do?
Why are you going to those places?
Copper and oil and gas.
Man, I cannot wait to get out of this industry. if only my recruitment consultant would get his fucking ginger out.
I loved Cape Town, one of the most beautiful cities I've been too. The way it just sits there in the folds of a mountain is fairly surreal.
I visited a township there as well which was pretty harrowing, although I had possibly the best meal I've ever had at a traditional African kitchen.
Johannesberg I wasn't so keen on. There was just an atmosphere there I didn't like and I didn't feel safe to be honest.
Which township did you visit? I went to Khayalitsha (sp?) which was a little scary.
Plettenburg Bay is very beautiful too. As is most of the Garden Route. It's scary how little I can really remember though.
It was scary, but definitely an experience I'd reccommend. Whilst there is something a little twisted about rich tourists visting townships to 'look at an orphanage', it at least lets you experience what South Africa is like for the vast majority. I was 16 at the time and going there definitely effected my outlook.
I've forgotten most of the trip as well unfortunately. I remember eating an Ostrich and Crocodile kebab though. That was good.
Sat in a bar watching football on the telly, drinking that fermented rice drink they have, chatting about stuff. Much preferred there to the Waterfront, which is like some kind of horrific pastiche of anonymous American seafront boardwalks.
Some awesome clubs on Long Street to. Went to a rave next to the station in the yard where they keep the trains, the police came and broke it up around 5am as the sun was rising.
I miss Cape Town.
And 2 and a half weeks in Tanzania.
I would go there. One of the most beautiful and friendliest countries I've ever been to
sell it to me some more.
addis ababa is also on the shortlist, but only so i can go and see Ethiopia's biggest Abba tribute band Addis Abba.
Especially during the nightly power cuts.
Kilimanjaro is in Tanzania. Alonside it is Mount Maru, which is smaller and you can climb it and look at Kilamanjaro.
Kilimanjaro is also a fantastic beer.
I was merely told this by the people I was visiting, but Tanzania is a lot friendlier and less tourist developed than Kenya. The people were ridicuously friendly.
Zanzibar is the most beautiful place I've ever been to. You can take a spice tour where they take you to people who grow the spices Zanzibar is famous for and buy them directly from the people who make them. Stone Town is a UNESCO heritage site and is full on amazing. Some of the best food I've ever eaten.
There's this area by the Castle called The Gardens and every night they have massive BBQs were they grill all the fish that has been caught that day. You can also get Zanzibar pizza which are these amazing pocket things. ALSO: passionfruit fanta.
You can see Red Colobus Monkeys - the only place in the world you can see them.
Nungwi at the tip of the island is absolutely stunning. You can take a dhow ride as the sun sets over the Indian Ocean. Beware Pirates from Pemba though.
It's totally amazing.
The down sides - obviously Tanzania is desperately poor so there's a lot of petty crime like pickpocketing and you might see some pretty heartbreaking things. This also means that things are quite cheap, but I felt pretty awful eating a three course meal with beers for a fiver whilst all day I'd been running a gauntlet of starving children begging.
The police are totally corrupt and when you get cabs you'll need to factor in bribe money.
When you order a cab it will either show up 45 minutes early or 3 hours late.
Double check everything as Tanzanians love a flippant change of mind about minor stuff like the times of flights.
Because everyone is so friendly literally EVERY ONE will stop you to have a chat. It's considered very impolite to not stop and talk so it can take painfully long amounts of time to get anywhere
obvs i could google this, but Zanzibar is an island off Tanzania yes? Is it easy to jump between the two? Ie would you go to both on say a 7-10 day trip?
There's a werid constitutional relationship where the President of Zanzibar automaticlaly becomes vice president of Tanzania and the island gets free electricity.
It's really close - flight is literally like £20 minutes and cost $60 return in 2004. Ferry is 2 hours and is $45 return but only goes once a day.
I was there for 2 and a half weeks but spent most of it in Zanzibar
Agadir, mainly. Overnight trip to Marrakech. Other trips to Essaouira and the Atlas/Antiatlas mountains.
I'm not a massive fan of hot places, but it was really good, and I'd go again, or somewhere similar.
not great, but a decent base to see some more authentic Morroccan shit. LIKE NON-STOP TOUR GUIDE HASSLING.
loved every minute of it, well except when my mate had food poisoning and i was forced to do stuff on my own. i didn't like doing stuff on my own back then. (not that i'm much for that sort of lark now tbf)
wasnt a huge fan, i was only young though.
Only i'd quite like to visit most places but have pretty much written Africa and Western Asia off.
In subsaharan Africa petty crime is a big problem, but common sense like not walking down dark alleys and wearing a money belt will see you right.
Obviously there are some right iffy areas - northern Uganda, parts of Nigeria, northern Angola, the complete car crash that is the DRC. But you'd probably not be visiting them as a tourist anyway.
africa is a massive continent with a huge range of political situations, even within single countries. you can't write a whole continent off just because of what goes on in a few countries
it was really white and for the first time i became acutely aware of how white my skin is
what the fuck am i on when i write these things?
Very very hot mind!
I trusted a man I had met the day before that it was totally fine to sit on an Alligators back though, and I was right to do so as it didn't ravage me.
I won't be sitting on no Alligators. I knew someone from Gambia at university (well from an American airbase in Gambia anyway). That's the one kind of inside Senegal right?
Probably the least African place in Africa.
i've been to somaliland which was absolutely wonderful but even though it's politically stable and there's no war/famine, people from abroad don't normally go unless they're ethnically somali, so idk don't go there. although it's really beautiful and there are so many good animals/birds
places i'd go and why:
-madagascar. the rainforests look amazing i want to see an african cloud forest so bad. and the animals and the beaches and everything
-egypt. all the historical stuff
-morocco. close, you can get boats to there from spain
-zanzibar. the beaches
-zimbabwe/namibia - for the victoria falls, and the natural beauty of the countries. and safaris
i think though if i could pick just one i'd choose zanzibar. looks so beautiful and is nice and safe. but also (which won't apply to you haha) they've got a lot of cushtic influence and speak arabic as well so i'd feel right at home
I'd love to go somewhere like that, but think I'm more of a on the beaten track kinda guy, for this trip at least.
What do I want to see? Not sure really, that's the point of this thread. The gf wants to see some wildlife and nature stuff, so she's into the idea of namibia/tanzania or anywhere with massive animals (just to look at not to shoot obvs). I would like that, but I also just like the idea of something completely new that I've never done before.
Also I quite like the sound of Ethiopia where there is apparently some really cool ancient civilization type stuff.
waterfalls, national parks, reserves with endangered animals which would be amazing to see, mountains, lakes and probably loads of other good things i'm forgetting. ethiopia would be good as well but they don't have as much of the above mentioned stuff as these countries do
And this is my first Africa experience, period.
I am on a work site well off the beaten path here, living on a camp with good facilities, but in terms of jungle and beaches its pretty impressive(10 % of the country is national park)
Arriving was a bit wierd as I think of Europeans/ Amiricans at least have this impression of a big continent of danger and corruption, but I've had no problems, other than that my French is not up to spec yet.
The capital (Libreville) looks like a bit of a shithole but I have been assured that its a cracking (if expensive) night out.
BBC had an article on Gabon today; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16686544
I'm planning Morocco and South Aftica at some point, possibly Ethiopia and Kenya in the future. I'm 1 month in to a 4 year placement so I have time.
Also if you like spice Nigerian/ West African food in general is awesome, went to a Pan-African restaurant in the Hague the other month, lots of yam, lots of plantaine, lots of spice, lots of goat. And try Nigerian pepper soup.
sounds like maybe Gabon is the type of place which might be more inaccessible if you weren't working there maybe? I think I might need a lighter introduction. What do you think?
saw some interesting things but every time we weren't in the hotel or in a moving vehicle there'd be people trying to sell us stuff. the food was terrible. we didn't really know what to do while we were there so we went on some organised tours, one of which involved dressing up in a turban and tunic thing to go on a camel ride (embarrassing) and another, going to a berber family's underground house to look around (embarrassing and intrusive). it wasn't very good really.
no idea why anybody would ever choose to go to africa.
very nice country, English is the official language, very friendly and cheap, atyically stable/uncorrupt for West Africa, would heartily recommend.
South Africa. Cape Town is one of the best places I've ever been and I can't wait to go back. Knysna is probably the most beautiful place I have ever and will ever visit. Pretoria is hilariously boring.
Kenya's shite. Filled with tourists and everything that goes with tourists in places with desparate poverty and rampant corruption. Wouldn't recommend staying there any longer than is necessary.
I don't really know what to say about Zimbabwe. It's a terribly sad and sometimes frightening place. Dunno how much it's changed in seven years but my memory of it is checkpoints, AKs and scores of young men standing around with nowhere to go. Prices on wipeboards in fast food chains because they change every week. It's interesting from a political point of view but I wouldn't recommend hanging around.
Botswana is lovely, probably Africa's best kept secret. Incredibly laid back place filled with astonishing natural beauty. With a carefully managed tourist industry though it isn't cheap to see it. Still would heartily recommend.
Didn't like South Africa, not even Cape Town, where I spent the majority of my time. Getting mugged on my first night there probably prejudiced me against it. Just seems like an incredibly tense place, felt constantly on edge wherever I was. Still, lots of neat things to see.
Mozambique is cool.
that is such a ridiculous statement about kenya. like, yeah man! the whole country is fucking bullshit!
I can only comment on the three weeks I spent there and how it compared to the other places I saw. Interesting that you decided to pull me up on that and not on describing an entire other country with one word.
so i can't confirm or deny either way.