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Talk to me about how it's great, please. Persuade me to move there. Thanks...show examples.
Came home late one night, whole street was POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS and a policeman had to escort me to my door. That was pretty cool.
Also, relying on the Victoria line to get anywhere...what could possibly go wrong?
and when someone got stabbed outside her house she had to hold the wound closed whilst they waited for an ambulance.
You don't get that sort of LIFE EXPERIENCE living in fucking Mayfair now do you?
Being on the end of a tube line is living the dream. That glow or pride you get hearing the place where you live mentioned at every stop and listed at every platform simply cannot be beaten.
with all the Rail Replacement Bus services too!
You want to live near massive reservoirs don't you? Everybody wants to live near massive reservoirs.
don't go in there
a friend passed out in the toilets once from... something or other, and as I was helping carry her out a couple of grizzled local career alcoholics started shouting, "GO ON MY SON, NAIL HER"
which is pretty lovely
We bought so much aftershock the barman gave us a couple free.
seemed like kind of a shithole, but idk
I think it's alright - decent High Street and weekend market.
It's dead easy to get around - there are Overground and mainline stations in addition to the Victoria line, plus loads of night buses end up there too.
The nicest area is the bit that Estate Agents twattingly term 'Walthamstow Village' - east of Walthamstow Central station.
I'm sorry, I just died choking on my own vomit
We looked into Walthamstow. I didn't mind it, but she hated it.
It was very busy and rough around the edges. The street market is good and you can get around to Stratford easily. There are a few different transport options depending on where you live though and it is 'up and coming'. My mate bought a house there about 5 years back and was told the same. 5 years on, he's not sure it's worth any more, but it is a very nice house.
A 1 bed flat near 'the village' is about £250-300K. You'll get a 3 bedroom house for that half mile further away or in SE London.
that's more than Crouch End, you can get a two-bed flat for that where I live. I suppose we don't have a tube though...
Given that it essentially had about 2 decent boozers and a thai restaurant. It was obvious there was some serious cash around the area by the upkeep of the streets, but it did remind me how stupidly insane and unpredictable London prices can be.
Which is kinda funny, given how they never work properly...
right by the forest. It's lovely in a lot of ways, very quiet, hardly seems like you're in London in places. Can afford a much nicer place here than I would if further in. It's really not very rough at all for the most part, and the shops and transport are pretty good.
It is a bummer being so far from town and it is quite boring. Central Walthamstow is quite ugly and really needs more green spaces. The Village is nice but there's not much of it.
but i found when looking for a room that walthamstow was just as expensive as areas further in (i.e. tottenham hale and seven sisters) so i decided to live there. apparently seven sisters has a pervasive cockroach problem however (PROBABLY A LANDLORD LIE) so i'm thinking of going up the road a bit when i move, or fucking off somewhere in the west bit of hackney where all the tossers live like stoke newington/dalston
although camden also seems to be pretty STREET HARASSMENTY
or at least i hope
has it become any less stabby in recent times?
Doubt you'll be able to afford to live there now.
hence why my friend has bought a flat there and asked if I want to live in his spare room. Seems the logical move as a) I won't be living with 6 other people, b) it's probably now at the age of 26 that I should be starting to actually save some money for, you know, old person things like kids and stuff from Muji as well as c) the fact that it's fairly close to the station means if the stabbers are massing I should only have to sprint for a few minutes before being able to get back, grab my sawn-off and waste the fuckers.
Generations of people have lived there, even when it was poor, for decades and very few of them have been seriously harmed by street crime.
It's all going mega glasses/beards/tote bags and the village is just babies EVERYWHERE.
Not that surprised, where it is, especially being on the Victoria line. We had a couple of Wanky Dauntbookers just standing staring at our house the other evening. Thought it was a bit rude.
but yep, it's going to get priced up to fuck pretty soon, I reckon, although it's a pretty big place, so it might be able to withstand complete N16ification for a while. tough to tell.
[for full transparency, I have a beard and glasses]
Fucking love living in Walthamstow. It's really really good.
obviously this will all be rendered moo if the room turns out to be rubs but let's think about that later
and is a semi-nice pub now.
I think the ship has pretty much sailed, though. I have mates who have been priced out and are looking at places like Highams Park.
Not sure why. Probably because fewer people know people who are moving there and feel less safe as a result. I dunno. It's pretty much next door and there's quite a lot of properties available for under £250k.
there's nothing there except a retail park and a tube station. suits me fine
..that most people go by what they read in Time Out and The Standard. They want a nice 'scene' readymade for them, but aren't prepared to take a punt on somewhere like Leyton and start it themselves.
Hence people constantly chasing "the next place" and never being able to buy a property, convinced that the whole of London is prohibitively expensive.
If anything, it's Leyton, along with places like Seven Sisters, who are attracting renters priced out of Dalston. Walthamstow and Leytonstone seem to be attracting early 30s couple who were renting in Stoke Newington, but are looking to settle down and buy somewhere.
Leyton's always been cheaper than Walthamstow - despite it's proximity to the City and the transport links of Stratford, it is still right next to Newham, whereas Walthamstow is next to Epping Forest and Woodford. I think that Walthamstow is overpriced compared to Leytonstone, it's prices seem to be inflated by the 'village' but that's only a small part of the area. The rest of the housing stock and neighbourhood are on a par with Leyton.
I like all of these areas though.
People seem to think that there are these mystical parts of London that have it all (or soon will do), but the reality is you'll always need to travel all over town to enjoy what makes you tick - it's what makes London great. Music venues keep moving further and further out of town, galleries are largely the same as what they were 10 years back, decent pubs come with any half decent area once you go hunting for them, some areas more linked to certain ethnicities will have better specialist grub, etc...
Once you live somewhere you look around it, find good shit and start to enjoy it more. We've found tennis courts, canal side walks, woods, local artist workshops etc all within 15 mins walk of us that you never hear about and the same goes for everywhere I've ever lived.
If you turn up somewhere expect to find a village green, organic coffee shop, great schools, a pond and a great local music scene than chances are a) you've missed that boat 10 years ago or b) you're still asleep.
not for themselves but for capital appreciation.
Maybe I'm being a bit overly cynical, but I assume most people are overly obsessed with how much their house is/will be worth...
I meant the kind of 'scene' that appeals to people more in my age group (30-40), so nice bars, cafés, farmers markets etc - basically exactly what you're saying.
I like the area too, but think it's funny that people used to sneer at living in somewhere like Walthamstow because it was too far out of town and chose to carry on renting in Hackney, and now it's all gone crazy.
I can understand why people are like that. Usually these things are more than anything just a shorthand signal that there'll be middle class white folk with similar interests (that you'll probably never talk to) nearby. I know of people who have moved to places largely because of a coffee shop, pub or being 2 minutes closer to a station rather than because they've looked around properly, thought about the benefits of a 2nd bedroom or can stomach a 10 minute walk.
It's funny how things suddenly become ok; used to visit a mate in Clapton 4 years ago, hated it. Now I go there and it's lovely but barring a few new shops pretty much identical. We genuinely had a friend who came to a party at ours once but phoned Addison Lee after an hour, afraid of what might come to pass just by being in SE London.
Now they're gutted that the area is out of their price range.
There was that Telegraph journalist who bought a house in Hackney about ten years ago thinking that it would become the new Islington, but then wrote a really sniffy blog back in about 2010 when he sold up and moved out, complaining that it hadn't filled up with his kind of people.
he'd have still made a hefty profit on his gaff no doubt, even if retrospective wisdom says he'd have made an absolute killing if he'd hung on a few years more...
didn't make much of a return on what he purchased it for and what he spent doing it up.
I didn't mean 'stung' in purely financial terms either.
I can't find a link to his article now. It was basically moaning at local people for not being forced to move out.
Even the pavement's all wonky in Walthamstow.
Don't you mean AWESOMESTOW?!?!!
it's/I've changed quite a lot since then
Open houses - cash bids over the asking price from landlords.
There's a reason that 50% of the shops on Hoe Street are estate agents.
It seemed alright - they're doing it up and it's getting a cinema and stuff.
mac_daddy might find some useful bits of information in there, but should take it with the caveat that these types of articles usually herald the arrival of city types and the forcing out of normal people and cultural attractions.
the Guardian did one of those about a year or so ago. As soon as they'd done it the estate agents went nuts. We had started looking there about a week or two before that - had a few bookings arranged - then all of a sudden everything turned into an "open day" and we got priced out of every move ending up having to decide in about 10 minutes whether we wanted to buy a house or not. I wouldn't buy a fucking laptop after looking for 10 minutes.
Loads of young couples/families are moving there from Hackney as they can afford places with a garden rather than a flat.
It's quite nice with rough edges, but there's not a huge amount to do. They're building a cinema complex apparently. And there's about 3 nice pubs. The village bit is weirdly quaint. Has a Spar with an artisan bakery. Both amazing and equally fucking ridiculous in equal measure.
The Warner flats there appear to have been built with borrowers in mind.
when the Standard does them, they get full of city types or buy-to-letters.
dry rot up top and rising damp in the basement, she was hoping they'd meet in the middle and cancel each other out.