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good thread, man.
but with a temperature sensor in them, so that the first toasting will last longer than subsequent ones.
it will be down for less time the second time round?!
and therefore the bread will toast quicker.
about temperature sensors being a thing on basic toasters in addition to the normal resistor + capacitor timing dial setup.
bi-metallic strip OR capacitor
"Less sophisticated toasters use a bi-metallic strip"
But... iirc, don't posh Dualit type jobbers tick away as if it's a mechanical timer, rather than just electronics. Or do they have a posh combo of mechanical timer + electronics?
I thought it was just the one dial, controlling time, which results in more done-ness, at whatever temp the wires heat up to during that time.
Do toasters have separate time and temp controls?
and the time stays constant.
The elements heat up to their maximum temperature pretty fast - in a much shorter time than even the lowest setting.
yeah, afaik, basic toasters (or any? still wondering about the really posh jobbers) don't control temperature at all, they just apply whatever heat the elements chuck out when they're on, for whatever time you set via the dial.
I always pop the popper to make sure it recognizes the change, but then you have to take into account how long it had been on prior to the adjustment, and adjust again, but you'll never get it just right and I seen to end up shit scared of burning it, standing with my face over the grill, in some half panic, half bored state of unrest.
there's very little irks me more than wrong breakfast. whether it's burnt toast at home or some bitch getting my order wrong when i go out to eat. the other day i had a sausage and egg barm with ketchup. you know what was also on there. lettuce, onion and tomato. WTF?!?! that literally happened. i would have taken a photo of it if i wasn't feeling so much rage
In a proper greasy spoon cafe?
They shouldn't be allowed lettuce in a cafe (onion is allowed for the cheese and onion omelette)
my gf ALWAYS has a salad with everything she eats, fry up included, so although she blames the waitress I KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. unclear ordering i'll bet. if you start ordering salad with a fry up then everything goes to shit anyway, it was to be expected. you haven't seen anything til you see a plate full of bacon, sausage, beans, lettuce and cucumber. un-fucking-believable
it's not like i said cob
cob is perfectly cromulent
decent thread though.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
BEAR GRILL BINS
but I always use the toaster, you'd have to be mental not to if it's there
I think so.
I've always operated on this presumption anyway.
i got that feeling. even if it is a bit close to the fridge thread.
it's when they're unexpected that they become brilliance. Take 2 giants for example. I still have no idea what happened there.
Or somewhere with a toaster? I need to know the answer to this now. Feels important.
I'm at work. We have a toaster with a dial. but I have no bread.
Just like the dial on a central heating system. If you turn the system on and have the temperature set to 18, it'll cut off when it reaches 18. However, if you change the dial to 20, it'll keep going until it reaches 20. Toaster controls are exactly the same. You don't need to get it to 'register' the change by popping it up and pushing it down again. That's madness.
the 'comfort' thermostat dial on a central heating system has a temp sensor, no?
so that's more like an oven. or a kettle.
electricity powered appliances just heat stuff up at full whack until you tell them to stop.
on a toaster you're setting a time.
on a CH 'comfort' dial or an oven its by responding to the current resultant temp. (obv. CH and ovens can also have timers that override any temp response.)
compare that to gas power which is based on 'flow'. electricity doesn't flow in the same way. but it's common to confuce the two concepts. you can pre-heat a gas oven up faster by setting it to full whack from the off and then turning it down. you can't do that with an electric oven, cos, as mentioned, they just heat up at full whack regardless.
with variable resistors.
CH 'comfort' dials and ovens don't regulate their temp via variable resistors (i.e. 'flow'). They regulate temp in response to the current temp.
Whereas a basic toaster doesn't detect temp in that way - it actually does pretty much regulate the 'flow' (which determines the time, rather than acting in response to any particular temp).
cause i know that's quite ambiguous cause of benjamin franklin.
it seems so obvious
you're bright. help us out
we learned about this in physics, and also how fridges work.
gonna stick some bread in on 1 tonight and then turn it up to 7 after it has started. might live stream it
i meant to say you
This is the essential extra twist.
Lovely stuff c--r
about whether the dial on the fridge meant that a higher number was colder or a higher temp. That fucked with my head for a good while.
* I think it was meths. If not, something about bird teeth.
and now it freezes everything. cheers meths you jerk
blame the fridge standards committe.
The plastic stabber that you use to clear out ice and let any excess water drain away has sheared off in its shaft. Can't get the stuck half out. Now I have to mop up excess water every other day.
Higher number means colder, surely?!
Kitchen appliances and their dials really is a minefield subject it seems...
I was somewhere a couple of weeks ago (vague) and the fridge had the little numbers AND said which way made it cooler. It's clearly a common problem. For idiots.
so that you can set it somewhere between 2 and 4 degrees?
2 and 4 degrees is fact
could be catastrophic.
then they deserve spoiled butter
What's the difference between a number and a figure in this context? It could be important.
unless the thums thing is the answer?
If you change the dial from 3 to 4 after the toasting has started, just the toaster add some extra time to its countdown clock?
(Or in reverse, if you started at 6 then suddenly rammed it down to 1, would the toast instantly pop up? Assuming it was near to the end of a 6 cycle)
but i rarely leave the toast in until its popped. i'm a checker.
that for truely perfect toast you HAVE to check. still want to know though, does it increase the heat or add time
but also like i say, i dont NEED to know.
chanticleer might have provided the information to answer the question (or a link to it), but the question hasn't been directly answered in a clear and simple fashion.
I was thinking of my bonus question.
the capacitor is like a bucket
the resistor that controls the flow of electricity into the bucket is like a tap
the toast pops up when the bucket is full
so i'd expect that if you ramped up from 3 to 4 at exactly midway through the 3 cycle, the toaster would add extra toasting time but it wouldn't be as simple as adding on another half the time of a #4 toast time.
yeah, i'd expect going from 6 to 1 at the end of a 1 cycle to pop it up.
my mind is gonna melt if i've got that wrong.
(if 6 is well charred, and 1 is a mere waft of hot air)
*going from 3 to 4 midway through a 3 cycle would mean /less/ time.
*going from 6 to 1 at the end of a 6 cycle would possibly mean adding /more/ time (and overdoing the toast, cos the element is already hot, but the final small bit of bucket filling is dawdling along instead of getting topped up at a 6 rate).
alternatively: no-one really knows...
The bucket-filling rate goes DOWN at the dial goes UP.
Imma revert to revision A.
Not too soon, not too late.
i'm sure my old mickey mouse toaster used to pop up0 instantly if you went down from 5 to 1
I use the grill
so i don't really know what to say. love a bagel though.
bagels are the best. when i used to visit my sister i'd eat at the bagel shop for every meal. then she moved to clapham :'(
But it was still easier than buying a new toaster.
working stuff out is funtimes
i just did my bagel this morning but made sure the toaster was on 4.5 before starting it rather than starting and adjusting and it was DEFINITELY hotter than yesterday. the entire spread application process was difficult because i couldn't really touch the bagel. you can't explain