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how many you got?
anyway, did he mean pray as a good thing or as a "I need to make him a Christian so he doesn't do his socialist crap to my country" condescending sort of way
'I'll pray for him, cos he's a sinner and needs me to save him', rather than 'I'll pray for him, cos I like him and he needs my solidarity.'
But the 05:07 post makes it sound like it was the latter.
it really does. I was brought up just outside of London so there has always been a multi-cultural feeling around me ( of course there was segregation as well ) but after a discussion about the film "Crash" with an American in which I thought it was racism for racisms sake I was informed it is that bad out there...
Some areas are worse than others. Living in Boston, for example, was very eye-opening because I found it to be more segregated than the town I grew up in outside of Nashville, TN.
Beacon Hill = traditionally white neighborhood
Jamaica Plain = they kicked out the "low-income" residents and now it's a trendy white neighborhood
Brookline = Jewish neighborhood
Roxbury = black neighborhood
Dorchester = black neighborhood
Southie = Irish, low-income white neighborhood
South End = trendy white neighborhood
Allston/Bright = predominantly student neighborhood, but also many recent immigrants from all over the globe
Honestly, I found Cambridge to be one of the most diverse areas in the city. I think I also encountered more racism in Boston than I did in Tennessee. I used to hang out with some former skinheads, so this probably was the reason but some of the stuff they said was appalling. I grew up in TN with a girl that traced her family history to the Civil War and was proud that she had ancestors that fought for the Confederates. Aside from that fact, she was kind and accepting of everyone.
JFK's birthplace was located just a few blocks from my old apartment.
Not racist per se, more just unthinking and stereotyping.
She doesn't actively dislike anybody due to skin colour, but is of the "they should simply blend in" mentality fed to her by the Sun.
Now that boy took racist to a whole new level.
Wonder what he's doing these days. Probably locked up for inciting racial hatred.
don't know why you would
These are solely comprised of my mates from 'back home'. They had very different upbringings to me, and they grew up in households and have since moved into workplaces where prejudice is commonplace. As a result they hold some pretty shaky views on things, but they have never been outwardly prejudicial to any human being on account of their race/skin colour. They're good people, they just have views I do not agree with.
when i told him this was a bit stereotypical, and could he reformulate the sentence, he said:
"oh yeah, it's actually ALL eastern europeans."
...i just sort of... left it.
They have a very similar stereotype to this in Germany, only with Poles.
similar attitude re: Russians.
...similar attitude re: Mongolians.
similar attitude re: Doncaster
All my school friends are okay - I grew up in North Yorkshire and there's not really anyone else but white people there so I guess you don't get racial tensions/stereotypes which can lead to racism.
By the time I went to uni, I was sensible enough to avoid anyone who acted a bit like that...
Which is lucky
nothing extreme but makes Christmas fun :/
sort of expecting me to agree. I must have a racist face or something.
...one of them actually used the phrase 'rise up' in response to, what he saw as, the growing problem of Asian youths in London.
but going home at Christmas (to relatively small town near London), there was a lot of not-quite-racism but general Clarkson-esque twattery of stereotyping of people from other countries. Not sure if I was surprised or not.
Also nearly had an argument with my dad as well while watching Conspiracy after he said the Germans were inherently 'invaders'. I tried to point out that Britain colonised half the world but I don't think he was listening.
My brother in law is one but I've learnt to drown out the sound of his voice.
the gf's parents and their friends still think it's funny to make the same racist jokes that they first heard in the playground in the 1950s
But my friends from home can't make a trip into London without commenting on the lack of white people. I don't think it's racist per se, but it would just never occur to me to mention anything like that.
I guess if you've spent all your life living in one small provincial town you're not really going to mix with people who aren't white, or who are from overseas.
And it runs directly contrary to commandercool's point up there about living in an all-white area leading to a lack of racial tensions --> racism. That's the exact opposite in my experience - it's people who grow up with little integration with people from other races/cultures/countries who seem to have the most beef about them. I'd wager that a high proportion of the EDL membership comes from this pool of people, rather than being in densely integrated areas who feel 'hard done by' etc.
this is the truth as far as i am aware of it
in towns with sizeable, and visible, migrant populations.
UKIP, on the other hand, does get most of its support from the dormitory towns.
...in thinking that UKIP and the EDL would contain supporters of similar backgrounds (geographically rather than economically).
that because there are so few ethnic minorities, there's little overt racism because there's very rarely an opportunity for it to come up / isn't a part of daily life.
When they go to London or whatever, that isn't going to be the same...
Not in a racist way, more just genuinely a bit suprised.
It's funny what living for 30 years in a small village in Wales will do to your expectations I suppose.
but my mum, when she comes to manchester is like "look at how different everyone is!" but it's totally not racist, she loves it.
that would make it much worse.
My mates will say something like, "Wonder when we'll see a white face around here," and will almost certainly start doing impressions of the African Phonejacker guy.
Not assuming anything, but have your mates had the opportunity to go on holiday or move etc? And are they happy in their lives? My cousin used to say the odd dodgy thing about polish people (taking our jobs etc), then he ended up working with a bunch and only has positive things to say. Also I've never met a racist who seems *happy* in their life.
but not really to anywhere outside of North America or the Med. A few of them refuse to fly or use the underground. All of them refuse to use a bus.
They've never really moved out of the area either, going to the local university (Hertfordshire), while living at home and driving to the campus. Until about three years ago all of them lived at home with their mothers, but then they made the step up to moving out and renting places together in a (slightly larger) market town 10 miles away.
They seem happy. They have enough money to keep a roof over their heads, a car on their driveway and to have a few pints at the local pub, which seems to be enough.
It was really weird that there was only white people there, gave me the creeps
Not specifically Chester, just the general 'oh yeah' factor that kicks in when you end up in a really white area. Which kinda ties back in with the bewildering tendency for some rural types who complain about immigration when there really isn't very much of it.
When I twigged what it was it was so strange
when I visit Norfolk (which I do...infrequently) I always notice that the people working in the local newsagents/minimarkets/petrol stations etc are ALL white, whereas I can't remember the last time I bought a newspaper/pint of milk from someone in London who wasn't forrun.
I think it's fine to make the observation, because it's a very noticable and quite interesting thing, so I can understand people coming from small towns to London and commenting on it.
there's anything more behind it than mild surprise / inane observation. I mean, I was pretty surprised when I went to London first (or, first time I can remember)... I wouldn't have mentioned it, because I know that some people WOULD take it as racist / ignorant and not just as an inane observation.
Although one mate from school posted some dodgy BNP related stuff during the last elections. I think he is one of the "thick as pigshit" BNP supporters rather than a "actually racist" BNP supporter.
For everyone to see, vague acquaintances included. So definitely pretty dense.
Harsh but fair.
(mate would be pushing it a bit far) who was adding BNP stuff to his likes, and posting dense status updates etc. I just deleted him without much further thought. He's now an English Democrat councillor (has Shameless done an episode about one of 'em trying to get elected for something? I imagine it would end up being similar to the way this guy got in). :-/
dun dun dun they are not white
Not really related but I have an asian mate who went on a cricket tour (not my mates) with nicknamed shirts. He happily wore his which was Paki.
Which I think is odd not a justification for that word.
i tend not to use it for the sake of the argument but it's just no different to scot or fin or swede. literally no different. i used to work with a pakistani girl who would openly refer to herself as a paki. she was awesome. so hot. on her last day in the job she made a huge curry and brought it in for every to eat for lunch. so good.
All words only become seen as offensive 'cos they've been used offensively often enough. And, of course, it's often used as a catch-all from Asian people regardless of country of origin...
most other countries are able to use Paki as shorthand for Pakistani without any problem... we messed it up.
i just think it sucks really hard
Ok, it's a shortened version of their country of origin, but a word doesn't exist in isolation from its historical context - and it's historical context is as a term of abuse from white people.
Fair play if people of pakistani origin are able to reclaim it (in a similar way to how 'nigger' and 'queer' have been reclaimed), but that doesn't give a white person the right to start using it as if it has had all its connotations stripped from it.
it just seems shitty that because a bunch of cunts start using it then it loses it's validity. i suppose it's the same as when every fucking bellend start liking at the drive in so now i have to pretend i hate them.
purely for being too casual in an interview
He did eventually get promoted and a wife too who he whisked off to Syria, largely against her wishes.
He's a top bloke and then he goes and spoils it all by saying something racist and it causes arguments and ruins the evening.
I loath jews...
is prone to the occasional, not racist, but certainly dodgy and ill-informed comment about immigrants or an inappropriate foreigner impression. :|
He still lives in the small town we grew up in, massively, massively white area and I'm sure that's got something to do with it
Big biggoted fucks that I argue with. It's like we're cool but we don't talk politics.
I was in the pub on Christmas Eve and they were all saluting the screen because the Royal Family came up. That's about the measure of them.
about *black players are great athletes but they don't have the footballing intelligence* and that it was *no suprise an all white team got us promoted*
Thankfully, everyone was stunned, called him a cunt and pointed out that the goals that got us promoted were scored by two black blokes and a Morrocan. He went pretty sheepish and has been pretty quiet since
with the usual lazy minded rent-a-gob comments.
No active racism, as such. Just relatively benign mumblings which I try and expose as pure daftness, in as simple terms as possible, wherever possible.
Nothing amongst mates that I know of.
Fair dues to the Scotsman for finally managing to crowbar some humour into proceedings. They usually just opt for plain ol' glib.
I don't deal pills any more
My Mum revealed herself to be a massive racist
I call racism.
he tried to put a nazi flag up in the lounge
Loads of homophobic ones though. I call them up on it every time they say something off-colour, don't worry. I'm the best.
Which colour is that then, you massive racist?
most homophobes are usually pretty racist/sexist too.
a girl i worked with years ago and got friendly with said something quite shocking one day. I dont see her anymore.
I got a taxi recently and the taxi driver started up about how ''they're taking our jobs, im not racist but why dont they fuck off back where they came from'' he said a lot more too, which lead me to beleive he really was a massive racist.
dey tuk r jerbs
...that he wasn't racist. Maybe you should give him the benefit of the doubt.
they usually are massive racists. The terms and labelling he was coming out with were ridiculous.
I wonder why a lot of taxi men seem to be this way.
He claims the women that sell flowers here in belfast mugged his mate, stole his money and coat too
Makes you sound the same as ever.
i dont think i need to point out who looks like the actual 'dick' here.
...didn't mean to cause nay bother :(
to quietly agreeing with the vocal racists.
he's (ethnically) south asian, but born and raised here
i'd always heard that people like this existed, but never actually met one before...
not to be confrontational, just because understanding his reasoning would be genuinely fascinating.
Don't have any black mates though so it's alright there won't be tension.
real friends: nah
why do you not tell them then delete them?
i mean that you're not quite sure whether it's intended as bad-taste humour as opposed to actual racism, so i give them the benefit of the doubt. it's only one or two people now that i think of it and it wouldn't be a regular thing. just remember being a bit perturbed on a couple of occasions and contemplating pulling them up on it.
we occasionally used to make ironic off-colour jokes about hating eastern europeans, chinese, fat people, etc. then she started going on about this scientific book her dad had that proved black people were less intelligent than whiteys! it was at that point I began to realise that she wasn't actually joking really and realised what a horrible human being she really was.
nowadays I try to avoid telling ironically racist, sexist or other jokes that revolve around prejudice
my Auntie mentioned my cousin was moving to Leicester. My dad responded with a warning of, "There's a lot of blacks in Leicester..." and the other adults in the room all tutted or made noises that agreed with his concern.
My girlfriend of two years is Zimbabwean and I am often a bit concerned by his regular David Starkey-esque racial slurs. I get the impression he likes her because 'she's one of the good ones.'
^ white people love to divide and conquer, y'see!
because I'm not prejudiced.
most of my friends are on redwatch
but never express racist opinions. So I don't think they're REALLY racist.
like volunteering at the community medical centre, working with the local council to try & get homeless indigenous kids off the streets etc.
He's an OK guy but really, really fucking hates Asians (which in Australia means southeast Asians). Always going on about what assholes they are, just a few days ago he was saying how every time a bunch of Asians move into a neighbourhood it turns to shit.
Always mystifies me as to how someone who's smart, educated, and has regular direct contact with people who've been fucked over by institutionalised racism, can be such a flagrant racist himself.
But I do have a mate from uni on Twitter and fb, who posts a lot moaning about how when white people are racist, it gets all over the news, but when minorities are racist it gets downplayed. Most of his examples are full up with overly right wing opinions that rather miss the point
I beat off over 99% of the racist people mentioned
maybe try starting another thread tomorrow for max effect and they'll answer your questions.
one i fell out with when she started acting up because people were talking in another language on the next table. same with the other one actually.
i just tell them to shut the fuck up being racist, not sure they actually believe i'm being serious. similar with sexism with a lot of my mates, not sure why my guy mates think i'm going to bond with them by calling other women slags/sluts. just because i for some bizarre reason feel more comfortable in the company of men, doesn't mean i hate other women. makes me wonder what they say about me when i'm not listening tbh.
probably need better mates
they dabble in 'ironic' racism in a ricky gervais stylee.
i have a vaguely muslim sort-of-friend who hates jews because they've "taken my homeland by force." he grew up in reading and his dad is his only living palestinian relative.
one of the crappiest things to have happened to me at uni was when i was at a jazz society rehearsal (i am the only person of black heritage in the jazz society i think, certainly was the only one at the rehearsal of about 30 people anyway). i was singing the part of aretha franklin in the production and about half a dozen people were talking and then they joked in front of everybody about having someone shout "let's go, niggers!" (presumably "niggaz" in their heads) before the "RESPECT" number.
couldn't quite believe what i was hearing really but they didn't notice that they were joking about shouting about niggers before the only black person in the show came on so i guess they're NOT REALLY RACIST. also they've probably met about ten black people from eton seeing as they were mostly from eton and stuff. so i'm not surprised they didn't expect any black people to be about.
oh i'm just a resentful PC identity politician or something aren't i.
i didn't say anything though i just went home and cried
when Gervais kept using the term 'mong'
You should be the one to destroy it.
PE teacher told us that 'you don't get any black swimmers in the Olympics because black people don't float', in complete seriousness. Nobody said anything or even challenged him.