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Did it resolve the pool side cliffhanger?
I swear I only missed about a minute and a half.
catch it if you can though. im terrible at explainign stuff when im on my second pizza.
to see if it was actually as brilliant as i thought it was first time around.
did they think it was Doctor Who?
the rest of the episode was great though but yeah.
Still i'm glad she didn't die. Cos like she's really really hot.
Just that bit. None of the other bits. Just that bit.
That, however, was superb. The bit at the end was a bit silly but otherwise it was excellent throughout.
having rewathed season one's finale again and the start of season two my opinion has switched dramatically. The guy is electric.
to have ever doubted it. The Moriarty character is incredible, although I think that's partly down to the mystique so you can't really have too much of him :((((((((
the guy plays pyschopathic genius very well, however.
which if it keeps in character with the stories means more Moriarty :)
complains about nudity in sherlock: prints ALL the photos of naked characters :D
It seemed good, but I fell asleep.
Watched it again last night and it is probably the best written UK-based drama I've seen on the BBC in some years. Just a joy to watch.
While Sherlock and Watson are fighting
"I was in the army, I've killed people you know"
"But you were a doctor"
"I had my bad days!"
Punch me in the face.
Punch you in the face?
Yes, didn't you hear me?
I always hear 'punch me in the face' when you talk, but most of the time it's just subtext.
Moffat is a GREAT writer, from Coupling, through Who, and this. The plot's get silly (I know, I know, but that ending...) but it was well performed and directed with some lovely nods and touches.
I think my favourite bit was the dead hiker subplot - mainly because it reminded me of the sorely missed classic days of Jonathan Creek.
but overall, pretty good. However, the 'Moriarty' stuff remains by far the weakest and most annoying bit. It's hard to take an actor seriously who seems to be channelling Mark Kermode's impression of Danny Dyer.
JIM? Ultra-villains aren't called Jim!
So glad it's back.
Introduced a couple of chaps who'd not seen it before and they loved it too
The first series seemed to be very clever but the crimes were a bit rubbish. This was just great all round.
Loved the excuse to get him in a deerstalker!
Moffat is such a talented writer with so many ideas, I think at times he's a bit guilty of putting too MUCH thought into things. See: half of last years' Who run. But this was just great.
Hound of the Baskervilles next. Wonder what they'll do with that!
WHO BLOODY DID IT?
I didn't get the two passwords thing
and if she was tortured, she’d give out that one.
up to a point. Sherlock Holmes stories always have to walk a fine line between being complicated enough to impress you when the problem is solved, without becoming so convoluted that you lose track. Think this one edged towards the latter in the second half.
Maybe I just didn't fancy the woman enough.
perhaps that says a lot about me
is not a very good actor.
Except for the fact that Henry's house was actually my mate's house, and it reminded me of all the good parties I've had there.
He's a surveyor of some sort.
but I liked that house.
Take me there please. Thanks
His family got a huge grant from CADW to refurbish it.
The pub scenes were all filmed nearby is St Hilary too. I guess there are no pubs in Devon.
It's the kind of house you flee to when the zombies start taking over the cities.
They'd fenced the end of the garden to make it smaller than it is too. AND got rid of the trampoline.
They do quite a lot of filming there, they did one thing where the character went mad (a common theme) and graffitis all over the walls of my friend's bedroom. He asked them to leave it but apparently it's in the contract that they have to return everything to how it was before.
Has it been used in any other films or telly shows? It looks like some of the locations in Children of Men.
They might have done some films there, I'm not 100% sure. I think this was its most high-profile outing.
Conservatory could do with a lick of paint, mind.
This plus various average Doctor Who episodes would suggest that he's not a very good writer.
Unfortunately his Who and Sherlock episodes definitely aren't as good as Moffat's.
that the majority of posts on here about it have been about the locations.
but i enjoyed it nonetheless
this was a bit disappointing, but still very good in parts.
Mycroft is becoming a bit Deus Ex Machina though innit
is called Mycroft. What a strange name to give your child.
this weeks not quite as good as last week.
I also saw the Robert Downet Jnr and Jude Law 2nd sherlock movie over christmas, and thats fun too.
We are being spoilt for sherlocks at the moment, I hope that the goodness of the tv series hasnt lessened the cinema offerings for you guys (Im lucky I can put critical comparrisons away and just enjoy)
i also preferred that story when it was done as Brotherhood of the Wolf.
Brotherhood of the Wolf was based on Beast of the Gevaudan, which may or may not have inspired Conan Doyle's Hound of the Baskervilles.
Wasn't sure, should have checked first, but no one is perfect, not even me. =(
the shame shall be rememberance enough, i don't need anyone else bringing it up.
The first one was fantastic, although the silliness of the ending did ruin it a little bit for me. The rest of it was brilliant though.
The less said about the Baskervilles one the better, though. Russell Tovey was shite. The plot was shite. The shoe-horning in of Lestrade was shite. All the sciencey gubbins was shite (I've been spoiled by Breaking Bad on that front). Complete shite from start to finish, with the only redeeming feature being the interaction of Holmes and Watson (standard).
I really hope the standard of the third episode is closer to that of the first. Because that was... shite.
But it was still complete shite overall.
so they'll always be watchable but the plot around them just seems to be thrown together on a whim. A point proven by the inclusion of Moriarty at the end in a jail with no back story as to why hes there. Unless I missed something.
I don't think this is a popular opinion around here but I'm not a Dr Who fan at all. If the writing/plot points are as strong as that latest Sherlock episode then I don't feel like I'm missing out.
still feel a compulsive desire to keep watching. Also Matt Smith as the Doctor>>> Cumberbatch as Sherlock. There I've said it.
ie entertaining for about an hour with lots of good jokes and clever-clogs bits, before descending into nonsense for the last half hour or so. Good to see that bloke from Casualty and that Scottish bloke from the 90s back on telly.
The way it deliberately undermines plot points from the books is fun too, probably just the right side of smug.
Pretty rubbish that this is the second one in which Sherlock has to crack a really rubbish password, not very Sherlock Holmes-y to be honest.
Good subtle nods to the original story (i.e. the flickering light is the doggers, not an escaped convict) while actually being a different story. Last weeks was better at it though.
I thought the ending of the first one was pretty lame. Sherlocked? Fantastic.
on tv for a long while
for security reasons
I'd have Gatiss taken outside and destroyed.
because he was in America once, about 20 years ago? That would be like Guntrip still banging on about how he's been to America.
Sherlock isn't gonna be aired in the states until May. Seems unfair. Life was better when you guys had to wait months for American releases, not the other way round...obv ;)
What we thinking then? fake body or air cushion?
Just remembered the suicide case from the beginning of the episode - hanged dummy in their flat, some sort of clue?
Obviously that doesn't explain the death itself though.
you're realising this now?
what that was supposed to say was that andrew scott as moriarty was the best character <3
Proper down-to-earth ITV stuff, that.
(hate fake news broadcasts and attempts to use phone iconography in things, as if the person has never actually used a smartphone in their life).
But it ended up being proper brilliant. The bit where Moriarty was pretending to be an actor was the sort of genius only Moffat dreams up. Reminded of me of the twist in Dr Who about Amys baby. Of course much like Who, it helps to overlook the bits that don't quite tally up.
Great finale. Wish more programmes realised the strength of decent dialogue and characterisation.
Gutted we'll never see Moriarty again but what a way to go. Wonder if they'll do any more...?
Did you enjoy it?
And how sowing a few seeds of doubt can ruin someone even based on pure conjecture. Something I'm sure Matthew Kelly would agree with.
squib on back of head probably. there will be a clever flashback soundtracked by him talking really fast about how he did it, probably not next season but the one after.
Sherlock chucked Moriarty's body, Watson saw him as Sherlock in the brief glance he had (and he'd just had a knock to the head). Like the previous episode, where he saw what he expected to see instead of what was actually there. Foreshadowed with all the references to Moriarty/Sherlock being so similar (the kid even mistakes them). Molly will do the autopsy and identify the body, job's a good 'un.
And Molly had a body there already.
Dunno. My missus reckoned the bit where Sherlock got Watson to maneouvre into a very specific spot to watch it was key. She may well be right given how many crime novels she reads.
Did we see who was riding the motorcycle?
I thought they were wearing a white crash helmet, covering their face, but maybe not.
Your mind is playing tricks on you.
There were definitely two collisions with people on bikes in yesterday's episode, but I can't remember if they were both with motorcycles or not.
I shall iPlayer it later.
that knocked Watson over after the roof plunge.
it was a bicycle.
It was Steve Thompson.
Well kudos to that man. Great script.
I thought his episode last season was the weakest of the three, but this was incredible.
in this series, mentally tuning in and out. Even though I'm a hardened contrarian TV cynic, I came pretty close to liking it. They all had pretty stupid endings though- like literally the last 10 or 20 seconds. That annoys me.
Might watch them again and pay proper attention at some point.
I wish they hadn't done such an obvious SHERLOCK'S ALIVE ending though. Give us a bit of ambiguity, yeah?
the implication of being 'wet'
a) century old story
b) given there's another series of 'Sherlock' it'd be pointless continuing the pretence of his death
Unless you'd like them to not give spoilers to a story that's over a hundred years old?
I just would have preferred a more subtle way of showing it that panning round to his smug fizzog at the end.
Like with Scandal in Belgravia - ending with her message to him, letting him know she was alive, that was fine. Cutting to Saudi Arabia with Sherlock swinging a sword - not so good.
but it's an incredibly minor complaint, last night's episode was breathtakingly good
Cumberbatch's facial expressions as Sherlock started to panic a little were brilliant.
The very last moments of each episode have generally been a bit poo.
(Also it was Kabul, not SA)
Andrew Scott's portrayal of Moriarty is probably one of the most arresting things I've watched. Everytime he's on screen I expect something to happen.
because it's a bit shit.
i think he does that very well.
but I'm going to stop saying negative things as I like Sherlock and generally Moriarty too.
That's what people DO!!!
And honey, you should see me in a crown.
Still think it hasn't *quite* got it right though. The characters and performances are all brilliant, but sometimes the plots are a bit hnnghh.
Good job though, the original Reichenbach Falls story is utter shite, so it was an improvement really.
and both actually got massively improved adaptations.
There may be a link.
hopefully this is the end of Moriarty, I find the world of the stories more interesting in that not everything is connected to Moriarty.
The Final Problem certainly is full of massive plot-holes which show how Conan Doyle was rushing to kill Holmes without thinking about it too much.
in that it's really hard to make a realistic version of a story when a cartoon bad guy keeps popping up all the time being evil just 'cos he can.
I think the guy playing Moriarty did well this series and he was brilliantly used in the last episode but you don't really want him and Sherlock meeting again, each and every week. Always in sexier and more exciting ways.