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I know there's a few kindle owners on here, so here's a link to the Amazon 12 days of kindle sale:
Even that is a lot to pay for a book they haven't had to print, store or physically deliver to you, and you have to read on an expensive screen.
The author, editor etc. still need paying somehow for the work - as with film or music, there's a lot that goes into the media before distribution.
The cost of printing physical books is a pretty small fraction of the cover price
If you can't make a living working in a bank then that's tough shit, frankly.
You could probably track down those very same books for 99p in their physical form. And you don't have to shell out for the Kindle in the first place as you already have your eyes. Which will always make Kindle "books" a rip off in my eyes.
Not having to find the storage space, not having to lug big hardbacks around when they are the only physical copies available, being available, being able to take multiple books on holiday are just some of the reasons people would want one, being able to find the real version cheap has no relevance to those points. Also you can download most books free if you really want (though I think the implications are alot worse compared to the music industry but I guess thats another thread)
you edged it in the final moments!
I'd rather have an actual book, tis all. It is not like you can read more than one at a time anyway.
this offer targeted at people who read ebooks on the kindle.... IS NOT FOR YOU?
My two cents therefore is either download it somewhere else for free, or get the physical book for a few quid more (and minus the cost of the Kindle itself).
to consider purchasing a digital copy of a book, I quite agree.
the most tedious argument of 2011?
I think the thing I hate the most about all these discussions that are coming up as people switch over to ebooks is that I feel like I'm having them for the second time.
"I want to buy my CDs and just play them!"
"Why would I want to carry around my entire record collection? It's stupid!"
There's always been something better around (be it another player, in the past, or, more recently, a phone now). And I still can't fit my entire collection on one.
*ok, not /pointless/, just the most overhyped product in the history of all humanity. If you were using iPod as a genetic term for mp3 player, then, yeah, this is even more of a wasted post than it was when I started out.
I meant iPod in the generic sense.
You read a single book at a time and they are roughly the same size as a kindle. An mp3 player is smaller than a CD itself and if you are on the bus to work you can listen to several LPs / EPs / songs depending on your mood. I can't imagine people flicking through their kindles picking out their favourite chapters for repeat reading. I never saw the "ipods are pointless" discussions when they started becoming more popular. Now minidiscs - they were pointless.
I used mine all the time to record band rehearsals and gigs I was at. A great portable recording device and one that was only bettered by the iRiver H100/H300 series.
These days you can get cheap recorders for that sort of thing but you couldn't back in those days. That's why they were generally very popular with musicians and the like.
in a world where the Kindle sold 5 million devices at Christmas.
All I am saying is I'd rather just buy the physical book considering there is little or no saving. Plus you don't have to buy the kindle device itself and look like a smug twat on the bus.
You do. That is each to their own. I would suggest if you disagree, to stop continuing to add comments defending them, "this"ing each other's posts like some weird kindle groupwank, and get on amazon and spend your £s. There is no time to lose, there is a sale on!
No one is saying you should get one, theyre only saying why they would.
And your repeated example of only reading one book at a time doesnt apply to everyone, and doesnt counter arguments about the storage space savings, taking many books while travelling, students not having to carry many text books and journal articles, there are many reasons someone would want one you are clinging to one reason why you personally wouldnt need one in which case id suggest you dont buy one
But 5 million sold will mainly be used by commuters or sat gathering dust in the back of a drawer. Just seems a bit silly tis all. Plus the fact you have to pay a load for the device then they have the audacity to charge you for the books at a fairly similar price to the real thing anyway. When it is a tenner for the device and the "books" are free - hey, I might even get one for a laugh.
This isn't the 18th Century, you know?
Also it's worth mentioning that popularising the ebook has democratised publishing to a degree - there are a load of exciting small publishing houses which couldn't afford to do what they're doing with physical publishing overheads.
The cost of physically producing and shipping a book is only 25%
how terrible that a product highly suitable for and marketed at commuters will be used by commuters!!!!
Why doesn't amazon understand that a consumer product should exist or not based on the irrational pseudo-moral ideas and personal tastes of some kid on a music forum and not as how well they function as part of a system for generating capital.
using a common, affordable and popular consumer product which lots of other commuters are also using
people using them do look like smug dicks, irrespective of how wonderful they are. Even a Kindle user I work with agree with me on this, he hides at the back of the bus.
Everyone ive seen with them have the completely non expressive look of a tired commuter concentrating on a book. If someone looks smug with a kindle its probably because they are smug anyway
you'll have us convinced in no time
whatever it even was
then yeah i bet they don't actually look smug in the slightest
Thats why I got one, whats wrong with that, and the storage space issue you havent given the fair enough approval, someone who reads alot of books is going to accumalate alot over their lifetime. Then there is the convinience of getting papers and magazines delivered instantly, free worldwide 3g was also a big selling point for me
it's objectively a failing on your part.
You're not. To each their own!"
I got a Kindle for Christmas mainly so I can stick a load of technical books and pdfs on there for easy access in future rather than trying to fit an entire bookcase onto my desk at work. The fact that I've now got quite a few classics that I've not read for free and one or two of these sale books is a small bonus in comparison.
Never assume the way you use something is the only way other people would use it. It makes you look a little silly.
but who's having the last laugh now, eh?!
It's 'not understanding' vs. 'not listening'
Got a kindle for Xmas and am loving it so far. Now I can take 1Q84 outside with me.
doesn't hide anywhere near as well as a kindle when someone comes in.
Thanks for this. Kindle codes with real book would be nice though.
I don't really get why you'd need both.
Vinyl cannot be played portably and has a limited playback base. So reasoning is sound. Also you lose some quality on MP3 creation whereas there shouldn't be anything lost in your ebook.
not for every book but certain books i'd want the real version for my collection, but as most of the time when a book is new it is hardback i'd want the kindle version too because I do most reading on my commute and dont want to carry around a big hardback and get it ruined.
I can understand why they are reluctant as you could buy the book, download the e version, sell the book and recoup some of the cost and have had the e version for less than they sell if for (plus lose a potential sale to the person who bought the 2nd hand real copy). But as like music you can download them illegally anyway I think they are being foolish by not offering the real/e bundle
Well 10 years back every computer programming book came with a CD and and the PDF version on the CD. They don't give that version away now. I assume they know it is more likely to be exploited.
Somebody recommend some good ones please
Can't seem to find much else on there