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WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF RUPERT?
My brain has actually imploded.
hack into a dead girl's phone and listen to the voicemails triggering their automatic deletion 72 hours later - but give 'em a break - its not like they manually deleted them!!
And for this Rusbringer should be sacked. Its almost impossible to comprehend coming coming from him
"It's a non-story. No-one will care about any of this in six month's time." - CG (repeatedly, whenever this story was mentioned prior to the shit finally hitting the fan)
Given that the Police also believed that the messages had been deleted as a result of NotW journalists - which, despite it being automatic rather than deliberate, they still were – I don’t think that the Guardian has any case to answer.
Rebekah Brooks, in her statement to NotW staff said that the paper would not be able to survive the stories that were yet to emerge – and that’s why it was closed.
saying 'yes, I did commit rape, but it's not like I did it up the bum is it?'
that is a woeful choice of analogy and I withdraw it immediately.
::walks away from scene::
wouldn't it only really be panto villain mode if it was, say, in the New Statesman, or Grauniad or Indy or something like that? in the Spectator surely he's just playing to the crowd...?
I don't agree with the overall tone of the article, and MacKenzie is a cunt but, still, he has a point.
Although he's a bit naive to claim this solitary Dowler accusation led to the NOtW closing. The Murdochs took the decision to close the paper! They weren't driven out of business! If they had more faith in the robustness of their journalism then they'd have kept it open and fought the accusations...
...on the whole idea of NOtW journalists deleting Milly's voicemails, but there is still no evidence that they did so?
As I said, I disagree with the overall tone of the article and don't claim to agree with it, but you don't think he has a point about journalistic integrity re: The Guardian?
the act of listening to the messages meant that the messages were automatically deleted.
But isn't the point here about the original tone of reporting? I haven't got time to dig the front pages out but wasn't the Guardian's reporting very much one of `They hacked into Milly's phone and wilfully DELETED messages`.
As much as they DID hack into her voicemails, the point is that there is no evidence that they KNOWINGLY deleted the messages. Which, in my recollection, was a key factor underpinning the reporting.
Could be wrong though. I think we're all in agreement about the general merits of this case; I guess it's just about if you think The Guardian have a question to answer here about the robustness of what they printed. On this evidence, it seems like their is, but there are a million people who can make the point better than Mr. Mackenzie...
Any laboured attempted defence of the NoTW that merely hangs on the fact they didn't press a big red button marked 'delete' is close to insignificant to me at this point in time.
...if you feel the point is insignificant. I do too to a great extent but I do think that journalistic integrity must always be called into account as and when necessary. Shame that it's taken Mackenzie to point it out in a wankerish way on this occasion but, still...
The Guardian ran it as a half page story too. Not sure that you’d see any other paper in the UK doing that.
and they interviewed Nick Davies, iirc.
So not so much 'it's taken Mackenzie to point it out' (wankerish way, or otherwise), more a simple case of yet more bandwagon shit-stirring from Mackenzie.
...I've had my head in the sand this last week and a half with busyness so the reporting slipped under my radar. In which case, no we don't need Mackenzie's shit-stirring on the issue, whether he has "a point" or otherwise.
he has a point, but it is a point that would be given far more credence were it not made by the former editor of The Sun and all round nobfart Kelvin Mackenzie.
(Well done for saying it in far fewer words than me)
that my ^this only applies to everything from "Although" onwards. And I'd probably replace "he's a bit naive" with "it's a bit fucking rich".