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What do you all think of this?
I'm certainly not certain of how certain i'd be that it certainly wouldn't fall down if i live there though
I'm more interested in what Kim Jong-il thinks of it:
I think they should have gone for an identical copy of the Ryugyong Hotel. But, y'know, actually finish it.
Well, the outside bit. Inside it's probably just an empty shell except for a few furnished floors where they can let foreigners stay, like in the other two 'five star' hotels in Pyongyang.
i'd written a bunch of other gibberish, so that post didn't quite come out right.
the ryugyong, otoh, looks absolutely boss, imo. even if it is a ridiculous crumbling wreck underneath.
The similarity is unfortunate.
they should put windows in the floor though
I'd live in the shit out of it.
I thought it looked a pretty nice design, and interesting new take on bridging between towers, when I saw it on some architecture news sites last week, and noticed a few comments under some of them saying that it looked a bit like 9/11, sort of, but I seriously doubt there's any intention there. It's a South Korean design - the pixels in video games are way more culturally relevant there than recent American history.
Classic BBC website bollocks.
that the similarity to one of the most famous images in the world went unnoticed by the designers
Don't mean to be rude, but your last sentence there is one of the dumbest things I've ever read
South Korea is one of the few places on earth where professional gamers don't just make a comfortable living, but where they're household names.
Video games are a massive, massive part of the country's culture, to the extent that South Koreans now get stereotyped as being all a bunch of Starcraft addicts who sleep in internet cafes. The building is part of a site in downtown Seoul. The connection is way more salient than something that happened on another continent - the similarity really isn't that strong, especially since the towers don't actually look that similar in anything other than being tall.
but thanks for the lecture on Sth Korean video game culture.
My point - god, I can't believe I really need to spell it out - is that 9/11 wasn't "something that happened on another continent", it was a global event with global ramifications that are still playing out globally today. 9/11 is about as exclusively "American" as Coca Cola and Mickey Mouse. And the people who design massive tower constructions in downtown Seoul are not parochial hicks with no international outlook or experience. Presumably they'd see pixels in the design, but to say they'd miss the 9/11 imagery because the towers don't look the same as the WTC (apart from "being tall") is completely retarded.
Feel free to keep digging that hole though
he's just expressing his opinion on it
i.e. that the tower designers had no intention to make it look like 9/11 because they're presumably Korean and thus their only cultural reference is video game pixels, not "recent American history" - is patently ridiculous, and yet he keeps coming back & piling on the video game information
That's digging a hole
But whatever, I'm done
My point is that the 9/11 stuff has all happened *after* the design was published, not before. As in, it wasn't intentional, and it's something that most of the people who are going to look at it every day seem to either have not noticed it or see it as a mild coincidence.
The construction firm seemed baffled by the comparison. They couldn't find anyone for the report who actually said they thought it looked like the WTC towers without being prompted. And you've basically proved my point again below by pointing out that the architects didn't think of 9/11 during the process, but after, once they'd had internet commenters *from other countries* point it out (which the BBC has clearly jumped on here).
The buildings will have been designed within the context of South Korea (the fact that the designer is Dutch is irrelevant - big architecture firms are a) a pretty apolitical bunch in general, and b) rarely work exclusively within the country their office is in). Big projects like this often get to this stage without people noticing blatently obvious problems, anyway, that's the nature of the business.
And I never said they didn't look the WTC towers *at all*, just that they don't look very much like them. And they don't. The BBC's deliberately chosen the one render that emphasises the comparison (it includes fog - a nice touch) because this is such a massive load of balls.
I'm saying that if you're a South Korean in South Korea and you see those towers then you're probably going to think it's something to do with video games, and 9/11 will be an afterthought. Sorry to break it to you, but in East Asia 9/11 wasn't *as* big a deal (it had impacts, clearly, in terms of the geopolitical balances of yadda yadda whatever, I'm not being black and white here), and isn't as much always referenced in everyday life, as it is in the West. But I guess you know that, right?
And I couldn't quite hear your last bit. You're quite hard to hear, what with being all the way up there on your high horse.
like I just did, and you'll find that (1) the firm of architects who designed it are Dutch, not Korean, and (2) while they've posted a message on their website saying that they didn't see the 9/11 resemblance during the design process, their spokesman has been quoted in a Dutch newspaper as saying "I have to admit that we also thought of the 9/11 attacks."
"Lucy Williamson reports". Urgh.
It's ridiculous to think that because maybe it could be considered as looking like one thing that has little to do with Korea, that it's somehow 'wrong'. The design makes sense and looks interesting.
Okay, watched it. That last line is so stupid ("admit"?). It's said in such a 'even they know they're wrong, really', kind of way. FFS, they're NOT New Yorkers and this is not in America. Build it in New York, yeah, can see that might be a bit insensitive. Build it in Seoul.... who exactly is going to be upset by it?
Williamson always seems to have these stupid pieces where she tries to make an issue out of something small that is completely not an issue, in Korea or in the west.
I wanna live there