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no idea what its on about.
Your meowingtons of the world will try to claim that it's boring but I can tell you now that they're completely wrong. It's about the mood of this world they're in, doesn't have to be flash bang all-plot nonsense.
theres nothing to get into. might have been a good five minute short film, mind.
the pacing seems heavy-handed and laboured more than anything to me. Reckon the likes of Huxley and Orwell had this vibe sewn up Konnie . Thanks anyway
been referring to them? (clue, it involves pages with words on)
Yeah it's no Brave New World but you can't compare a 45 minute tv programme to books. Absurd criticism!
Thought it was finishing at half ten.
I think Brooker is out of his depth here frankly. I liked the last one as it was clearly orientated around the concerns of twitter and social networking, but this is very heavy-handed as well as being dull, and seems to be a very similar message to ones put across by authors for generations.... sorry i'm tired this might not read well.
It was more about losing your dignity on tv, the social meeja stuff was more of a side plot.
Why are people looking for more than there is? I came in expecting a cheeky Brooker satire, nothing too intellectually deep, and I've left happy.
no-one really claims he's a 'visionary' or whatever. Its good that these sorts of programmes are being made at the very least, whatever your opinion
He's always been more of a mouthpiece for the consensus amongst our kind of demographic. E'S JUST SAYING WOT WE'RE ALL FINKIN.
Brooker has never been about subtlety. It's only got 45 mins.
I'm finding this one worse at the moment. I don't know if its just not my style of tv show but so far it seems they're trying to set the scene without saying what's going on and its done in a really dull way. I know its because its meant to be dull because the main guy is a bit fed up but I don't really get it. I get what's going on in the story but I'm not feeling it.
I completely forgot that if you like reality tv, your opinion is not valid.
Just implying that Black Mirror might be outside your usual tastes.
Which many, many other people on this website also made.
Stop being a troll and just go back to your usual username.
like your namesake.
besides which, meowington is right.
writes a script featuring CYBERVIRTUAL REALITY. Yeah.
still, i still think this is quite good.
just people need to stop writing bad technology into tv
It's supposed to be riffing on the wii and kinect whose most popular games are childlike and quite dated graphics wise.
Brooker said the episode was inspired by xbox kinect.
2) It would have to be entertaining to be classed as entertainment.
the idea of people cringing at someone doing something conceptual as opposed to the same old formula of telly... kind of proves a point.
I'm not cringing at the context, I'm cringing at the delivery. TITTIES! SHOW ME YOUR TITTIES!
unsubtle, brash, not even trying to hide what that kind of television essentially is in the first place
Which isn't really there in these 'talent shows'.
I don't think anyone has been massively exploited through these shows...nothing sticks out in my mind as memorable. No one makes loads of money by doing something that they didn't set out to do like the girl (I.e. Susan Boyle is now minted because she went on a talent show to sing, didn't win but still made a load of money out of singing after the talent show)
The guy, I dunno what went on there really. Someone care to explain? It wasn't an act but then it seemed like it was an act because he took the escape route? Eesh dunno.
and that aside... the end point there, as far as i took it, was that the media is adaptable to the point of being able to market everything, up to and including those out to destroy it. All consuming, and impossible to stop, because 99 per cent of the world will lap up anything as entertainment.
And that's right, isn't it?
I'm not sure it needed half the story to make that point though.
The whole points system/cyber universe wasn't really relatable and a bit flawed again like why was everyone else powering their characters from their rooms and bikes but she didn't have to power hers when she went for the audition?
i assumed the reason you needed to accrue so many points to do the audition is because you'd be off the grid for a fair while not adding power. So you had to put in serious hours.
And sure, maybe it could have made the point in 20 minutes, but it's an exploration of an idea which can be allowed some time.
I mean, television programmers have allowed two hours of screentime to four big brother contestants talking about their favourite colours in a hot tub in the past for the morons, so I'm not going to complain when something unusual is given screen time y'know?
I thought the universe worked quite well (not the story didnt really follow that) but the whole wage slavery needing constant entertainment to distract them from the drudgery of their existence, communicating with virtual avatars, constant consumption, it all seemed quite relatable in an exaggerated now kind of way
It's exploitative for everyone involved, viewers, contestants and the very concept of ambition.
Just enjoy or switch over
This is cunt for cunts.
(ref lying in bed feeling sad scene)
Fuck you all.
and i think it was interesting. And I liked it.
It was a bit heavy handed yea but I'd prefer to see something flawed but interesting than the usual vacuous shit we have to put up with.
you have to be completely okay with saying ''this is concept story-telling, not traditional scripting.''
And when you think about it, video media is the only one that can convey that. That can do 'bright colours' as opposed to the usual pastels and make it artful. A removal of subtlety that makes things different, better, watchable.
I'm going to stop drinking whisky now.
but I *think* I know what point he was trying to make there.
Not worth missing Misfits for, which I guarantee will be snappier, funnier, smarter, darker, better written and better acted. Thank you technology, for E4+1.
going to watch it now, and if it's bollocks, J, i'm going to punch you in the face*
I think you'd like it, it's a very British take on the superhero idea.
i would heartily recommend The Boys for a similarly enlightened UK take on the concept of 'supers'
I'll add it to the list.
Addresses some of the plotholes in ep. 1 that someone went on about in the last thread, I think he might have seen the thread D:
the look of it was really cool
the music was good
although i did think that the anti-celeb rant in the Extras Christmas Special was more affecting and effective than the anti-reality/screenlife one in this
Are we picking through every little seam in the Black Mirror series because of who it's by and our assumptions from that point? I don't recall The Killing or various modish US series getting this much forensic attention and making people so directly opinionated.
most of the people serving up pithy comments watched it solely because it's brooker, and because sneering at brooker is like mana from the Gods to a lot of people.
Its more that people like the majority of his work but have been disappointed by this series he's done.
you've not noticed ire for brooker in the past on here?
This website has mixed opinions on pretty much everything and its just annoying that in the end it boils down to someone going 'yeah, disliking this makes well indie/hipster/cool/whatever' when seriously, some people just don't like stuff!
that's a massive strawman argument. I'm saying: specifically, Brooker-hatred is internet wide (as, of course is intense brooker-love) - he's a very marmite character, and a lot of people love hating on him. So I'm also saying: when he started to look into doing something conceptual people were going to start sneering from the off.
It's the way people have quite dumbly gone I GET IT MAN, WHAT AN OBVIOUS POINT which sort of shows not only their own ignorance of what the program was trying to be, and also an unwillingness to think about it further than going 'Brooker, innit' LOLZ.
So it's very, very, very specific. Not a 'disliking = hipster' thing.
Take it to the charlie brooker thread last week where someone was saying its cool to hate on brooker.
i just frowned at the screen a bit and still haven't got it.
and people will be on here in the morning getting their smug, cringey condescension on. So, yeah.
But generally, yes it is.
especially as it's satirising something that everyone is already extremely cynical about. Makes me wonder if during the first screenings of Dr Strangelove the audience were like 'WELL THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE COLD WAR, LOOK THERE'S EVEN RUSSIANS AND A BOMB. OBVIOUSSS'
It's a classic case of DiS users finding something obvious and/or heavy-handed which isn't necessarily obvious to the wider audience.
I'm delighted to see something like this which is intelligent and thought provoking in a massive prime-time slot with heavy promotion behind it and seemingly getting a lot of viewers.
It's like how loads of people here got sniffy about Inception because it wasn't as clever as it wanted to be; it was still about a million times cleverer than you're average box office sensation and the fact that it was successful should be a positive thing to people.
It's a major production with a big budget, strong backing, a famous writer - it's not exactly Doctors. It deserves, and can withstand, a bit of serious analysis and criticism, and I'm sure Brooker would appreciate that.
Are we treating it differently because of who wrote it? Inevitably, yes. Because he's an established writer with an impressive track record and strongly-held views. Doesn't mean we're just waiting to stick the boot in. Just means there's a lot of expectations to be satisfied or frustrated.
found it cliched and humdrum
Not perfect and definitely open to criticism but still thought-provoking and better than 99%* of current TV.
*Actual figure may vary
Yes it was brash, unsubtle and covering ideas which I think have been explored in more entertaining and insightful ways elsewhere, but I found it to be enjoying television. It's very easy to be cynical about the subject matter.
It wasn't without fault though- I thought people pointed out some really daft (non) plot holes in The National Anthem, but there was a huge gaping one in last night's show as far as I'm concerned- the singer-turned-porn star explicitly states that they don't get to keep their rubbish and the show made a point of cleaners removing detritus on a constant basis. People are kept in what are presumably rigorously monitored accommodation. And yet, somehow, a character was able to smash up his room without reproach and hold onto several artefacts, including a huge fuck-off shard of glass. Not having that, I'm afraid.
the world building was done really well and the music and lack of dialogue was cool too... it did fall off quite a lot when the broader x factor stuff started, didn't need to be such a direct parody what with the cowell guy and all imo. it took me out of the vibe that had been established and didn't really add anything beyond something to trail in adverts.
still better than most original drama we put out for sure, i really did want him to shank himself/the wraith guy when he was on the show.
that fucking wraith feller... any cool-black-american stereotype on british telly is always always hugely embarrassing, presume he actually was from the US but he still looked like he was putting it on. I thought both leads were good though, the speech itself was top notch etctctctc.
i'm looking forward to next week's, the premise is the most interesting of the three.
Felt too plodding and heavy handed. Also frustrating to see Julia Davies on TV for the first time in ages only to not really be used for very much at all. Next week looks better though.
with a character that was as deliciously awful as ever.
quite moving at times, and the gently dystopian (Moon-like, as someone pointed out) music and atmosphere contrasted well with the knowingly over-the-top X Factor satire stuff.
Might be an obvious point and dunno if anyone's mentioned it yet, but I'm sure it can't be a coincidence that the job the main character ended up getting is basically the exact equivalent of what Charlie Brooker does on TV. Nice touch, anyhow.
But this was a lot stronger the first half hour was genuinely very beautifully crafted and even though there wasn't a lot of dialogue it still said a lot. Second half was weaker and more obvious but entertaining enough and the conclusion was pretty satisfying. I have got high hopes for the third though with Jesse taking over.
Perhaps last week suffered a bit from 'not being The Thick Of It'? (Which I know it wasn't trying to be, but there were perhaps a few too many echoes of it.) DanielKelly is right that both have had plot issues, too, but this one felt sufficiently removed from the here and now for artistic licence and plot holes not to be an issue (although no recriminations for smashing stuff up seemed odd). I'm willing to go as far as saying that the widdly widdly computer noises weren't an issue. And usually, widdly widdly computer noises are a big issue with me.
The whole 'merits' setup was done quite well, I thought. And although the main focus was the talent show aspect, the facebook/xbox achievements -isation of life was pretty close to the bone. Not played many games of late, but the apparent trend towards a 'grind' aspect, and the whole unlockables/buyables/achievements mechanic have played a part in me being pretty meh about most stuff. e.g. Seeing how much of a pointless timesink Farmville has been for some people on facebook seems to have flipped a switch and sucked away all of the fun connotations I ever had in my mind when thinking of strategy games. And complaining about the dodgy graphics is daft - they make perfect sense when you look around at what's going on atm under the broad umbrella of 'gaming'.
Gotta admit that I couldn't quite twig the extent to which the bedroom 'cell' + exercise bike existence was supposed to exist. There were obviously the yellow drone people (wonder where they lived?). And the 'winners' houses (which were still very virtual. And the very few top dogs (did they live day-to-day in virtual land, albeit snazzier, or was there as 'outside' beyond it all?). None of these questions feel like problems though. More that I think the 'world' has potential that might sustain further episodes.
The downfall of the girl was pretty tragic. Don't really know what else to say about that.
The shots of the viewers was quite a good narrative tool in this scenario (the changing mood of the violin app girl played out well). And it worked so much better than it did last week (for whatever reason). Perhaps last weeks story would have been better told if it had been mostly focussed on viewers, and there was less of the 'arguments in government office' stuff?
Based on #2, I'm looking forward to #3 much more than I was looking forward to #2 after seeing #1. The whole facebook lifelong timeline thing (currently on a limited trial, to be rolled out fully in due course) is a creepy enough concept as it is (and might be where i draw the line with fb as being anything more than an address book) without extra layers of dystopian anguish being added on top.
Good work, Brooker. Even with a wobbyly first ep, the fact that this mini-series exists is something to be thankful for, when compared to the general level of ambition shown by the majority of other crap that fills the schedules.
The downfall of the girl was pretty tragic. Don't really know what else to say about that.
as true as it may or may not be the whole reality tv = prostitution thing seemed a bit trite to me but idk
i was pretty disappointed this didnt descend into a bloody revenge thing and just went down the path it did
I didn't really get it maybe.
And I guess people are totally trying to pick it apart cause it presents itself as a critique or a satire of /us/ and isn't just a drama like the killing or something. and idk I watch this and I don't think he's really telling me all that much about what me and you are all like and our cultural oppression and stuff. so kinda fair enough if charlie brooker is talking about us like we're a bunch of docile idiots...
I don't think he should have set it in prison. like it just made me think too much about how they got there whilst having the same kinda characteristics and tokens that those sort of characters would have outside in the real social world too(apart from the main woman who only exists in our imaginations).
but i just don''t know.
Thought it was just how everyone lived? Dunno.
but they were incarcerated in something. they didn't see to know of anything other than this as the natural order of things but i found it weird cause they still seemed to be conditioned by the outside world. which made me think it had all come about within their lifetimes and that their memories had been wiped. and like, why was everyone roughly the same age?
Their society may have consisted of thousands of those places, each holding different age groups, classes etc. And it's a common trope in dystopian fiction for the protagonist to be more conscious of the world than others despite it supposedly being all they know. In fact, it's probably THE most common trope.
I guess it just wasn't weird enough for me.
Really really good. Thought it was well written, acted, directed, everything. Not understanding why intelligent people with a sense of humour and awareness of the world around them would not find this funny, but there you go. Not for everyone I guess!
Thought it was very disturbing wot happened to the girl. Has anyone made an obvious point about how ridiculously attractive she was as well? Yeah?