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Wtf. RIP. Acronyms. I'm sorry.
fuckk :/ rip
thought Sky Sports News was trolling me
Bloke seemed so happy after the Norway game. That's awful.
Where did that come from?
Can't believe it. So, so sad. RIP.
His two sons :(
One of my, probably everyone's genuinely favourite players of the 90s, and a real Premier League legend. RIP sir.
Speaks volumes in such a partisan sport.
it's worth remembering he was an important part of the Leeds side that beat us to the title in '92. Despite the intensity of the rivalry - particularly back then - I can honestly say I've never come across a Utd fan have a bad word to say about Gary Speed. Speaks volumes about him I think. RIP.
Feel pretty shaken, he was such a mainstay of the period that I got into football, seemed so solid.
Thoughts with his family. R.I.P.
just happened to turn on SSN as the news broke and can't believe it's happened.
A key man of some of our best sides, seemed to be a fantastic manager for Wales and leaving a family and kids behind.
Very sad news.
Might put it off for a while.
can't get my head around it.
I can only imagine how horrible this must be for the family. I hope it wasn't one of the kids who found him :(
it's horrible, though, to think that he'd been carrying some serious issues and not letting on in the slightest. everybody seems so surprised.
very timely, yeah. can only hope this is the thing to really change pupblic perceptions of depression. as opposed to the disgusting ignorance of the likes of Janet Street-Porter and all who share her ill-informed (completely uninformed, I should say) opinions on the subject.
They've been really interesting pieces. The one about how the teams have 'plays' worked out on the training ground was great. It accounts for all the times you see someone put a really odd ball into the middle of nowhere and then shout at a player who was 15 yards away. He said every pundit knows these plays happen and never say as much.
They've all been good. Even the controversial one about how much footballers earn.
grew up watching him, feel really upset. r.i.p a great man
Much respect to him.
It's seeming to be an increasing issue in sport, whether that's because people are more comfortable with talking about it now than in years gone by I don't know.
It's an issue that sport needs to take seriously and the MTFU attitude that it can lend itself to needs to be eradicated. (I think it's moving in the right direction for sure though)
Sport and particularly football prides itself on being this microcosm of masculinity which is where these attitudes have inherently been over the years. It's a social issue for sure but one that sport should be on the frontline of combatting rather than falling in line with.
given the time, pressure, confidence, mental strength it takes, constantly questioning oneself's ability.
He appeared to have everything; just goes to show how little we know about folk in the public eye. So terribly sad.
Absolutely awful. Especially for his family.
Sad sad times, thoughts go out to him.
400% increase in use of ADs in last 15 yrs.
11% of Americans on ADs.
I just had a quick look for the source and the study was over 5,000 people. Which I think makes it reasonably reliable data.
The approach to depression within medicine explains this, I think. Listen to this if you get a chance, explains it pretty well:
think some it is increased awareness/destigmatisation of mental health so now people are getting the help they need.
but I feel that's because there's a much higher awareness of symptoms/checks now, and a much lower stigma attached to it.
are the highest they've ever been- it's not a perception or the result of awareness. It's because people are living for much longer than they ever have at any point in human history and the number one cause of cancer is old age.
What I mean is that it's not some other outside cause. Particularly with depression, some people rush to attribute it to 'modern life' or something, but the truth is much more simple than that.
Very sad - RIP.
2nd highest PL appearances (535), 2nd highest capped Welshman (85), 133 pro goals and a 50% win rate as Wales manager. Legend.
Is making me really sad. I obviously never knew the guy or even followed his career that closely, butwhat I just don't get in these situations is how horribly internal the fight must have been if this was depression related.
All those tributes from people who were with him and his kids yesterday and now... he's gone, just like that, in an act totally at odds with his whole external persona.
Just. Horrible really. I guess you never really know somebody...
If he was depressed...nobody who's given a statement thought he was unhappy in any way. On a personal level someone who internalises something in that way can't be helped surely. So awful.
On a side note, I'd like to read that new book about Robert Enke, which is meant to be very good.
"He's so level-headed. You never saw him down in the dumps. He was just a really nice fella."
Insane isn't it
huge agreement with all the comments about depression above.
I hope there's no shocking scandal or anything awfully dark that comes out of this
lets hope this shit wasn't the catalyst, eh
unbelievable news :(
I'm really struggling to get my head around this one.
RIP Gary Speed.
It's an unusual age to decide to terminate your own life. 42 seems like a transitionary age. You're half way through.
genuinely one of football's good guys. I mean, I dunno, at the moment I'm seeing and talking to people who have or have had depression on a fairly regular basis and the insidious, unseen damage it obviously does to people never seems any less awful or brutal.
it's obviously always sad when someone takes their own life young, especially one who's by every account a very decent human being, and there shouldn't be a follower of footballer who isn't saddened by this
but speed is probably one of leeds united's true legends/heroes, for anyone who supports the club. Pretty much every generation of supporter in the city would class him as a hero - my dad will be really shaken up by this, alongside everyone else his age. & alongside the other members of our title winning midfield, he's one of the very few proper leeds legends i can actually remember idolising growing up.
very few deaths have ever hit me like this, the shots of Given in tears at the match today is probably the most moving thing i've seen in football.
Such sad, sad news.
One of the premiership's truly first class gentlemen.
Was it too much to ask to put a shirt on?
He seemed to be one of that rare group of footballers who everybody had time for. He was one of the best players I've ever seen in my time watching Newcastle, and the circumstances of his death are pretty hard to take. RIP :-(
I'm overseas so just heard. I obviously never met the guy but feel truly gutted. Can't begin to imagine what his family feel like.
Depression is so fucked up. Its horrible to think what was going on in the poor mans head before he felt this was his only option.
and highlights of his time at Leeds
Still can't believe it. Just so hopelessly sad.
by fans of every club he played for, speaks volumes
he must have been suffering so greatly.
is that it's next to impossible to get most people to understand the devastating effect it can have on someone's life. same goes for anxiety-related illnesses.
most people still think it means you're feeling a bit sad and just say 'keep your chin up', point out how there are people dying of cancer, aids, people starving or whatever, as if that makes a difference to the suffering of the person with depression.
people also don't realise the physiological effects it has on a person. Stan Collymore's tweets highlight these well. it completely drains you. these illness can make life as a regular person impossible.
RIP Gary Speed, poor guy. :(
Perhaps see it in a different light, learn to recognise symptoms of those around them who are suffering, and help the best they can.
is that in most cases it's impossible to spot unless the sufferer admits to having it. oftentimes it's entirely internalised and even with constant and intrusive observation you wouldn't spot anything.
Perhaps if you're stuck in a 1980s village. But for anyone with an internet connection and half an ounce of common sense, I'm not sure it's possible NOT to get red flags of depression signals coming from friends in this day and age.
Unless of course you aren't looking/don't want to hear.
Cynical me speaking. All I know is, I know far more people who have admitted to being clinically depressed in the 90s-00s than I did before emails, text messages and internet forums existed.
Being fortunate enough to be someone who's never suffered from clinical depression, it comes as a bit of a shock to have friends come out of the woodwork who are clearly suffering for it.
I guess I didn't make my point especially well: I don't want my friends to be depressed and I want to know about it, and I want to be there to help them when they are struggling.
Does that help?
Also: fuck you.
Thought you were saying that folk were jumping on the 'i'm depressed' bandwagon and appeared to not be taking the issue seriously. I get what you are saying now though.
You seem to be reacting to something Mirri hasn't actually said. I've read her post about five times and can't see any point where she's judging anyone.
I'm sorry, I'm JUST beginning to come to terms with what depression is all about. But I'm trying hard to understand it.
Don't beat up on me please. I am NOT judging. I just want people to get better.
There are certainly a few consistent signs and symptoms of depression that you might spot in people and start to believe they could be depressed but the symptoms certainly aren't proof someone is clinically depressed and, if the person suffering doesn't feel able to consider if they've a mental health problem, there's then only so much you can do.
And please take it as just that. A question not a judgement.
I assume you want to get better. If you know you have a problem, why do you refuse to get any kind of medical help?
I too have once suffered from depression and have fought incredibly hard to overcome it. Our minds really are unruly beasts and very difficult to tame. For a long time I pushed the people I loved most away, even splitting with my man at the time, just couldn't handle it. Letting them in to be there to love and support me was the best thing I ever did. Don't suffer in silence guys, a problem shared...
So sad. RIP Gary.
fear, boredom, stress, insanity, spirtitual, impaired judgement
all these people jumping to the conclusion that it was depression are being a bit silly, though it is the leading cause.
It just seems very odd that he seemed to display absolutely no signs of any mental health problems. That's just going off what people who knew him have said, obviously, but there must have been at least something externalised considering whatever was troubling him was of such severity that he decided to end his life.
just agreeing that yes, its possible that long-standing depression wasn't the cause.
i know any social networking is what you make it, by who you follow etc, but on twitter especially things like this seem to have a lot of level-headed and decent people (or just twats) into saying completely inappropriate and/or just horrible things
in either case, i wasn't trying to fuel any rumours, was just replying in reference to kik's original question.
Just made me realise how fragile life can be.
You must be proud.
you get funny guy first prize
Good. You stupid fucking cunt
Robbie Savage especially has spoken with great integrity about someone who he was clearly very close to.
I was kind of hoping before it started it wouldn't be a Gary Speed special, but I'm glad they did. Some of the stories and calls were terrific.
But im not going to lie.. i can't look at this without thinking, you selfish prick. He's left a wife and a young family behind. I find it difficult to feel much sympathy for him, in comparison
Completely missing the fucking point
It's tragic for absolutely everyone involved but the idea that the fact that a family has been left behind is selfish seems to completely ignore the devastating idea that someone is in such a bad place emotionally that they think that ending their life is the best solution for everyone including their families.
I guess it's just a way to shift focus away from what is an utterly incomprehensible act.
to take a stupid holier-than-thou attitude to things more like.
then surely you can't know how they felt about their family etc?
I certainly think that in some cases, Suicide is very much a selfish act. That selfishness can be excused perhaps down to depression (most people who commit suicide obviously aren't gonna be in a lucid frame of mind) but I still don't think it changes the fact that it is generally a selfish act.
you just can't comment carliepanayi. Be grateful you don't understand.
patronising bullshit. You have no fucking idea about me at all
anyone who has ever considered suicide realises that they are leaving people who love them behind. If you think that ending your existence is more important that the suffering you'll inflict on your loved ones, then that's your prerogative. But don't expect me to weep for you. I'll weep for the people you've left
Is that horse high enough for you?
criticising an Alzheimer's patient for forgetting their wife's name or something - and why would you take such an aggressive tone?
you're viewing the situation from the perspective of a rational person who is not currently in the grasp of crippling depression.
The brain is the sole thing you have, so if that is 'rewired' in some way your actual 'self' is not really responsible for your actions - much like if you took LSD you're not responsible for hallucinating. I don't know, I'm not an expert, I just disagree
perhaps i understand it better than you? Or perhaps i'm just looking at it from my own selfish perspective? I know my opinion on the matter isn't exactly popular, but i'm not going to temper it.. and i don't enjoy being patronised for holding it
its not like I attacked you, just pointed out that its very hard for someone who isn't in that position to understand.
as you have about the circumstances surrounding the death of Gary Speed.
A guy has killed himself here for whatever reason, and whatever you, or anyone else thinks about it is really not that important.
I once went off on a rant on a message board about how Elliott Smith killing himself was a cop out as he had so much to offer the world and surely he realised this and should have stayed alive even if he was unhappy as he had fans and loved ones. I realise now how ridiculous this was as I obviously had no idea about the situation itself. I was just angry because one of my favourite musicians had killed himself.
You also sound angry, and maybe circumstances in your life give you good reason to be, I don't know. No need to create more negative feeling from a very sad situation though.
and don't get me wrong, i feel sorry for him. But my overriding feeling is less sympathetic than most
i have no idea about the circumstances leading up to his death, but i know the circumstances for his loved ones right now. Probably not a good idea for me to bring up my opinions on this matter in this sort of forum, and i suppose it's not the right place to vent, and for that i apologise
But it gets to the point where you manage to convince yourself that those you leave behind are better off without you. You sink to a level that is very hard to reason out of. I think it is very difficult to understand.
sorry, can't abide by people who think that.
It's like a bad dream or something, this.
Probably the key and most unsung part of the best BWFC team I've ever seen, and most likely will see. RIP, Speedo, we'll never forget you.
but that's just because of my age/I followed them as a kid. But as you say, its shocking to everyone (which is alot) involved.
He scored at my first Toon away game, the 1-5 demolition of Coventry in 1998. He was a great, if understated, player and key to our revivial under SBR.
is claiming a story that gary was involved with a married man was about to break
Just pointless speculation I'd say
and I have to say, the response on the team-specific forums I frequent has been a bit depressing.
It's been about 70% "RIP Gary" / 20% "What a coward" / 10% "apparently he did it because...
I rarely find myself getting upset when high profile people I don't know die, but this is bumming me out something rotten.
...that even KiK can't troll him. Says it all.