People doing black face for Halloween
Seen this a bit last year. Seen one guy going as 50 cent and three girls going as The Supremes.
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Well clearly the white Supremes isn't going to work is it.
It would just be Atomic Kitten or some shit.
Is it racist for 3 white girls to go as the supremes even if it does mean blacking up? Are black people offended by this? Are white people offended by this?
I can see how people would be offended but not certain if they actually are.
If they blacked up and then were portraying themselves as bad stereotypes that's one thing, but the Supremes?
RACIST
i'm going to dress up as beyonce
fake baby bump included.
People start doing christmas stuff earlier every year
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet
I WAS JUST READING ABOUT THAT
in fact, i've spent all morning reading about blackface stuff. triggered by watching holiday inn last night (family friendly christmas song and dance movie from the 40s) and out of nowhere there was this insane blacked up abraham lincoln number. made me realise i don't know too much about the history of blackface, and it's p fascinating.
the hardest part has been watching videos on youtube and then scrolling down to the comments where every single one is "this isn't racist, it's just fun! or "i'm black and i think this is ok!"
there's a shop near me in germany, called käthe wohlfahrt which exclusively sells christmas gifts - all year round!
It's ironic now
Whilst on the subject of racist things
God bless swiss people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spp-poster.jpg
Biggest party in Switzerland
whoa
that's pretty racist bro
picking on the swiss like that
I'm not doing blackface for Halloween
but I'm still a massive racist.
I was quite offended by this
http://jezebel.com/5852341/the-40-sluttiest-dog-halloween-costumes
The boobs one is kind of funny as a photo
all the rest are horrific though. This one especially http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2011/10/slutty-dog-costumes-37-1319043813.jpg
yeah that tartan is disgusting on anyone
i was wearing a checked shirt last night managed to convince at least one person that it was my family tartan.
I would laugh at this and stuff
but that's exactly the sort of thing i would swallow with very little convincing needed after a few drinks and i'd probably say something like GOD ITS SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING UP NORTH THAT'S WHY I HATE WHERE I COME FROM SO MUCH THERE'S JUST NOTHING INTERESTING ABOUT IT LIKE HAVING FAMILY TARTAN. Then you'd be like 'hah, yeah..' and it would be awkward.
Anyway yeah solidarity with gullible people.
I mean like geographically north
i know youre scottish
the north of england
which is what most people would think you mean when you say the north, which considering scotland is part of the same country makes calling it `the north` inaccurate as a geographical description and instead just denotes an area of britain.
SUCK IT
I really don't care either way
I was thinking about this earlier
It's fine, isn't it. Obviously blacking up has a bit of a dodgy history, but people don't black up for halloween because they're mocking black people or they think a black person isn't up to playing the role; they do it because they're stupid for other reasons and think dressing up is a lark. The kind of stupidity you can't criticise, alas. But yeah, it's fine, chillax.
hey black people stop being offended
as if it's black people that get offended
my best friend is black and he says it's fine!
http://i.imgur.com/sBFwE.jpg
hey
http://www.isitold.com/results?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprivilegedenyingdude.tumblr.com%2F
yes, my point exactly
Hey white people stop being offended at the idea of a hypothetical someone being offended by something overtly offensive
yeah but it's not fine tho.
I say this as a person who thinks nothing of walking around central london on a friday night with a friend who made himself a fetching T-shirt with a swastika of gay porn playing cards on it
Oh, do you say it as that person?
Well I say it as the person who finds the swastika t-shirt offensive. Oh no, stalemate!
I don't think that's what Halloween is about
although to be fair, I'm not really sure what Halloween is about.
paganism
selling sweets
the point is
being a black person isn't a costume, and thinking it is something you can 'dress up' as, is the exact kind of stupidity you can criticise.
They're not going as "a black person" though
They're going as 50 Cent and The Supremes. You must have misread.
what does a 50 cent costume consist of?
even if a black guy dressed up as 50 cent, he'd be explaining who he was all night.
the supremes - there's plenty of white 60s girl groups that dressed the exact same way. what's specific to the supremes? afros? hmmm....
Sorry, you're right
I forgot all black people look the same. My bad.
checkmate.
?????????????
the costumes you mentioned are based entirely on being black.
i would like to know what a 50 cent costume is. visually, there is nothing distinctive about 50 cent's style to say I AM 50 CENT, OBVIOUSLY. are you going to wear a t-shirt and go as alan davies this year?
Go where?
Where are we going?
There's plenty of accessories you could wear
that would make it obvious you dressing up as 50 Cent.
I mean, I'd still file blacking up under 'DO NOT DO, EVER!!!1', but I do have to wonder if you've ever seen 50 Cent.
the only way i can envision going as 50 cent
is if you wear a cardboard cut out of a 50 cent piece.
otherwise you're just a racist wearing generic "gangsta" clothes.
50 Cent doesn't wear a cardboard cut-out of a 50 cent piece.
People would definitely be confused as to who you were if wore a cardboard cut-out of a 50 cent piece.
it's a joke, doris
pun costumes are very popular these days: http://www.coolest-homemade-costumes.com/coolest-homemade-kevin-bacon-costume.html
I have to agree, there's nothing distinctive about him, any more than say Chris Martin.
Frankly it's a shit costume and presumably it can inky be the blacking up itself that gives it the shock aspect for Halloween.
Nice Freudian slip there, Thee
You disgust me.
Neither 50 Cent or The Supremes are a monster/supernatural entity
why are we getting this dumb american version of halloween now?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clips/p00bv8w8/a_bit_of_fry_and_laurie_how_not_to_trick_or_treat/
it's usually part of the dress though isn;t it.
it's not as if they're like 'look at me, i'm black!'. it's done to make themselves look more like the person they're dressing up as. you're simplifying it a bit. i do agree it's stupid and dodgy though
you genuinely do not seem to understand how context works
whether you like it or not, historical context intrinsically alters certain words and actions.
No it doesn't
It extrinsically alters them. Please don't use words you don't know the meanings of.
Enjoyed your contributions to this thread
you're right, i got them mixed up
how convenient for you.
you're still wrong re your OP
would never do it myself
but i think most people can see it's done out of sheer stupidity more than anything else. also i think there's an interesting point about white middle-class people always trying to speak for black people and be offended on their behalf.
you can't rly say that based on a forum with these demographics though, can you
i think it's a fair guess that you could count the number of non-white regular posters on one hand. are you trying to say that most black people aren't actually offended by blackface?
wut? that's exactly why i can say it.
second question answered by my first point.
no, i mean
that there's a pretty good reason why 'only' white people get offended in these threads. it's because there aren't actually any black people to make the arguments.
it's like saying if you work in an all-white office
and the topic of blackface comes up and people start going 'oh yeah it's fine now isn't it, not offensive anymore, nothing wrong with it', that contradicting them is 'trying to speak for black people'
ah right.
i'm not just talking about DiS though, it's what i've observed in general. there's plenty of very real racism out there, and then there's naive stupidity. i think people can tell the difference.
maybe, idk. i wish i didn't get involved in this, tbh.
i'm out.
People being stupid and inadvertently being racist
are still being racist
I would never, ever black up.
I haven't ever given any real thought to whether or not it's racist any more- it just seems a real obvious no-no.
I'm doing black hand this year
Best part is that no-one knows what they look like.
It is out of order in my opinion. The supremes? really?
No one would dress up as them if they were a white girl group, the laughs/shock of the costume is obviously being derived from the blacking-up aspect, not the subject of the imitation. They can hide behind the vague post-modern cultural relativism of the argument, but ultimately they are exploiting that grey area to get lols from going BLACKFACE, a horrid act with a horrid history. Nope, go as a pumpkin or something, fucksake.
really don't think it's as calculated a decision
as you seem to think it is.
but isn't the point of any given costume that it is a interesting/ shocking/draws comment?
so, as they dress as the Supremes, which probably consists of what, a dress? some shoes? - is that a costume? - no, the costume element is the afro/blacking up... calculated enough for me, unless they are utter cretins.
Question
Would you lot view it as quite normal to go to a halloween party dressed as any random celebrity, rather than as a ghost/witch/vampire/bat/conservative politician, (because the joke is they're scary lol etc)?
so all the girls are dressing up as nurses because nurses are scary and terrifying?
people are losing perspective a bit here.
I don't really think anyone chooses a Halloween costume
based on how scary it is these days though.
Not being built like a brick shithouse, being white, and living in a largely black community...
No I wouldn't black up.
Nothing wrong with it.
Last year I went to Halloween as Woody Allen, put a a big fake nose on and an elastic band on my penis. This year I'm taping my eyes back and going as Liu Xiang. Nothing wrong with sending up a race's appearance.
my brother went as Jimmy Nail last year
strapped a sweet potato over his nose. Not all geordies have massive noses that's just a generalisation
I went to a pub for Halloween a few years ago and the DJ was dressed up as Papa Lazarus.
But I had not yet seen the League of Gentlemen at the time, so I was rather bewildered by his appearance to say the least.
i think a good test for this is:
would you feel comfortble wearing a blackface costume around a black friend? i guess the problem with this is that you need to have friends for it to work.
Keep watching this right to the end.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD4ma24NfL4
He did at least apologise
Well he said sorry for wearing the KKK outfit
oh my