Seen this a bit last year. Seen one guy going as 50 cent and three girls going as The Supremes.
It would just be Atomic Kitten or some shit.
Is it racist for 3 white girls to go as the supremes even if it does mean blacking up? Are black people offended by this? Are white people offended by this?
I can see how people would be offended but not certain if they actually are.
If they blacked up and then were portraying themselves as bad stereotypes that's one thing, but the Supremes?
fake baby bump included.
in fact, i've spent all morning reading about blackface stuff. triggered by watching holiday inn last night (family friendly christmas song and dance movie from the 40s) and out of nowhere there was this insane blacked up abraham lincoln number. made me realise i don't know too much about the history of blackface, and it's p fascinating.
the hardest part has been watching videos on youtube and then scrolling down to the comments where every single one is "this isn't racist, it's just fun! or "i'm black and i think this is ok!"
there's a shop near me in germany, called käthe wohlfahrt which exclusively sells christmas gifts - all year round!
God bless swiss people
Biggest party in Switzerland
that's pretty racist bro
but I'm still a massive racist.
all the rest are horrific though. This one especially http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2011/10/slutty-dog-costumes-37-1319043813.jpg
i was wearing a checked shirt last night managed to convince at least one person that it was my family tartan.
but that's exactly the sort of thing i would swallow with very little convincing needed after a few drinks and i'd probably say something like GOD ITS SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING UP NORTH THAT'S WHY I HATE WHERE I COME FROM SO MUCH THERE'S JUST NOTHING INTERESTING ABOUT IT LIKE HAVING FAMILY TARTAN. Then you'd be like 'hah, yeah..' and it would be awkward.
Anyway yeah solidarity with gullible people.
i know youre scottish
which is what most people would think you mean when you say the north, which considering scotland is part of the same country makes calling it `the north` inaccurate as a geographical description and instead just denotes an area of britain.
It's fine, isn't it. Obviously blacking up has a bit of a dodgy history, but people don't black up for halloween because they're mocking black people or they think a black person isn't up to playing the role; they do it because they're stupid for other reasons and think dressing up is a lark. The kind of stupidity you can't criticise, alas. But yeah, it's fine, chillax.
I say this as a person who thinks nothing of walking around central london on a friday night with a friend who made himself a fetching T-shirt with a swastika of gay porn playing cards on it
Well I say it as the person who finds the swastika t-shirt offensive. Oh no, stalemate!
although to be fair, I'm not really sure what Halloween is about.
They're going as 50 Cent and The Supremes. You must have misread.
I forgot all black people look the same. My bad.
Where are we going?
that would make it obvious you dressing up as 50 Cent.
I mean, I'd still file blacking up under 'DO NOT DO, EVER!!!1', but I do have to wonder if you've ever seen 50 Cent.
People would definitely be confused as to who you were if wore a cardboard cut-out of a 50 cent piece.
I have to agree, there's nothing distinctive about him, any more than say Chris Martin.
Frankly it's a shit costume and presumably it can inky be the blacking up itself that gives it the shock aspect for Halloween.
You disgust me.
why are we getting this dumb american version of halloween now?
it's not as if they're like 'look at me, i'm black!'. it's done to make themselves look more like the person they're dressing up as. you're simplifying it a bit. i do agree it's stupid and dodgy though
whether you like it or not, historical context intrinsically alters certain words and actions.
It extrinsically alters them. Please don't use words you don't know the meanings of.
how convenient for you.
you're still wrong re your OP
but i think most people can see it's done out of sheer stupidity more than anything else. also i think there's an interesting point about white middle-class people always trying to speak for black people and be offended on their behalf.
i think it's a fair guess that you could count the number of non-white regular posters on one hand. are you trying to say that most black people aren't actually offended by blackface?
second question answered by my first point.
that there's a pretty good reason why 'only' white people get offended in these threads. it's because there aren't actually any black people to make the arguments.
and the topic of blackface comes up and people start going 'oh yeah it's fine now isn't it, not offensive anymore, nothing wrong with it', that contradicting them is 'trying to speak for black people'
i'm not just talking about DiS though, it's what i've observed in general. there's plenty of very real racism out there, and then there's naive stupidity. i think people can tell the difference.
are still being racist
I haven't ever given any real thought to whether or not it's racist any more- it just seems a real obvious no-no.
Best part is that no-one knows what they look like.
No one would dress up as them if they were a white girl group, the laughs/shock of the costume is obviously being derived from the blacking-up aspect, not the subject of the imitation. They can hide behind the vague post-modern cultural relativism of the argument, but ultimately they are exploiting that grey area to get lols from going BLACKFACE, a horrid act with a horrid history. Nope, go as a pumpkin or something, fucksake.
as you seem to think it is.
so, as they dress as the Supremes, which probably consists of what, a dress? some shoes? - is that a costume? - no, the costume element is the afro/blacking up... calculated enough for me, unless they are utter cretins.
Would you lot view it as quite normal to go to a halloween party dressed as any random celebrity, rather than as a ghost/witch/vampire/bat/conservative politician, (because the joke is they're scary lol etc)?
people are losing perspective a bit here.
based on how scary it is these days though.
No I wouldn't black up.
Last year I went to Halloween as Woody Allen, put a a big fake nose on and an elastic band on my penis. This year I'm taping my eyes back and going as Liu Xiang. Nothing wrong with sending up a race's appearance.
strapped a sweet potato over his nose. Not all geordies have massive noses that's just a generalisation
But I had not yet seen the League of Gentlemen at the time, so I was rather bewildered by his appearance to say the least.
would you feel comfortble wearing a blackface costume around a black friend? i guess the problem with this is that you need to have friends for it to work.
Well he said sorry for wearing the KKK outfit