Don't do it.
That is all.
Why do you say this?
And they fucked us over so so so bad.
If you're going to potentially libel yourself/ sean and smear the name of the venue by starting a thread on them, then you should probably give a little bit of detail to back up your assertion.
The location can be a bugger but John's a lovely guy and I've generally found it a pleasure playing there.
and neevr found it anything less than excellent, and I had no complaints from any of the bands either. I am very much in support of The Good Ship.
but have friends who play there fairly regularly and love it. What happened?
i know other DiSers have put on gigs/played there and i've not heard any complaints
what's your gripe?
I've not played there for a couple of years but don't recollect John as being especially tall.
have been when seeing friends' bands play The Good Ship..
Sound's always pretty good, the after-band DJ plays indie floor fillers and John's a really nice guy (QPR fan though...)
They always seemed pretty needy and that but not exactly out to rob bands or owt. BASICALLY SPILL YOU GRIEVANCES IN PUBLIC
and I'd still go back. Lovely people.
(They wouldn't have me, ofc. Quite rightly.)
The size and shape of the venue can lead to sound issues and there was the odd occasion where I didn't rate the soundman on that night (though this was the exception rather than the norm) but they always played fair by us, it cost a reasonable price to book and I've good memories of the place.
Soundman was an utter clown. Seen some gigs there that were good.
The main black mark against it is that it's in fucking Kilburn.
It was badly shit
I dare you
strange, strange venue.
never going to The Good Ship again. Thanks for the heads up.
saw CG attempt to smash a guitar, succeed in smashing cheapshop discman
played cat noise
drank lots of wine and [redacted]
was pleasantly surprised by hipster indie band of literal children playing amazing Lightning Bolt cover
it has a free jukebox with Sonic Youth on it, so you can impress strangers with your liking of Sonic Youth for literally no money.
Unsolicitedly DJ'd The Gerogerigegege off my iphod
and John lumbered over, grabbed the baby and just lobbed him out of the window. I haven't gone back since.
A couple of times it was totally dead, a couple it was absolutely rammed, the rest above average London shows. Nearly always had a fun show there whatever though. Has a straightforward, honest and rewarding payment system for bands too.
One time the girl taking the tally on the door fucked up and we ended up not getting paid when by their system we should have been paid £25. I sent the owner an email saying I was a bit peeved at this and he more or less straight away sent me a sincere apology and a cheque for the money we were owed.
You need to explain what happened as this would certainly not be anywhere near my radar of venues to moan about in London!
Tell us what happened
I thought it was bit off myself.
I play in a 7 piece band. We travelled from various places in the UK to attend the gig.
After the soundcheck we went to the offie to get a few tins of beer.
Proceeded to drink them outside.
I walked in to the venue with beers in my hand. Promoter told me i shouldnt take them in, the venue doesnt like it.
I told him that i was going to walk outside, put them under my coat, then walk in.
I did just this, telling him as i walked in that i had my beers unbder my coat.
From the time the doors opened he was pestering me about the people i had said were coming. (one of whom was Titus Bramble)
We waiteduntill our time came to go on then started playing.
On our second song, all of the people who said they were coming turned up, 30+. Things were going awesomely, amonsgt the dancing and general horseplay, A monitor got knocked over.
the soundman came to the stage and plugged it back in. STANDARDPROCEDURE.
Also, during the set, the mic fell out of its stand, like, when it kinda droops down. you turn back to sing, and its not there. kinda funny.
So we played, the crowd wanted us to play one more. the soundman had said one more, but we played one anyway. (im sorry, but travelling from miles away for 30mins, sometimes seems a little short)
SO. we had played. and it was sweet. everyone enjoyed it, old men coming up to me saying we were the future, and how the lyrics were weird / funny. Im telliung you this so you can see that it wasnt just us/people who already knew the band having a good time.
After we played, we went outside for a smoke. the majority of people who came to see us wanted us to come out with them to New Cross. But we said NO, we have to stay and wait till the end, to make sure we dont get shafted. And also we like to watch the other bands.
We wait. Watch the last band, cheer for them to play one more.
We wait some more, all our stuff has been put in the car, we want to get s few quid and go.
Eventually, the promoter comes out of the door, pretending to be on his phone, he's my age(21), and this is a rookie tactic. we stop him in the door way, and ask him whats going on.
He goes on about how its not his responsibility to pay us. Itt's the managers.
(it is his responsibility, he booked us, sent us an email asking us to play, and has been our only point of contact up too the gig. Why when it comes to payment is it not his problem?)
SOOO. i say, lets go and speak to the manager, he tries to leave again. I put my hand on his chest, look him in the eye, and say 'Dont you fuck us, not tonight'
We're all obviously embarrased and angry at the way he's tried to shaft us. Normally when we get fucked, it's due to having to leave, whiule the promoter hides away somewhere/. or the promoter never turns up to the gig. Or you wait all night, and he's hidden.
So we walk him inside to see the manager. Who clearly wasnt expecting us to come back in.
y'see we along with many other bands are constantly fucked. But that night, it was done so lazily, that we werent having it.
The Manager, is smirking, saying how we're not getting paid because we bought our own beers in. The promoter is sttanding there, he knows we bought our own beers in, and didn't say anything aboyut it.
The manager then starts talking about all the equipment we've supposedly broken, including the headline bands drumkit?!
Luckily the sound guy is still there, so i call him over, and ask him if any of these things are actually broken..
Of course they're not.
I'm getting more and more agitated by the way the;re trying to fuck us. So say we're not leaving till they give us,.....
TWENTY POUNDS... thats all we asked for.
They're saying no still.
Im infuriated, you can see people at the bar looking awkward. They know we're being fucked, We know. And the Bar staff know they're fucking us.
The promoter just wants to leave, he looks terrified by this point.
They';re accusing us of assault, vandalisim.. anything to get us out.
?they say that they're going to call the police. Im like 'do it;'
I end up getting behind the bar. By this point i know were never playing there again/ and i want to grab everything. I DONT but i want tooo.
It looks like its going to turn nasty.
eventually, one of our drummers says 'lets just leave it'
And thats it, we've faltered, they know it, we've been arguing for nearly 30mins.
i get back behind the bar, shake the manager,promoter,bar staffs hand. Say thanks for letting us play, but this has been ridiculous.
Leave. Shed a tear outside.
Go up to every guy with a guitar i see, and ask them if they got paid tonight...
Everyone says NO
It's not about the money, but when people are literally bending you over and fucking you. It's terrible..
But I can't help but like it?
BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE SAYING THIS ABOUT THE GOOD SHIP. YOU'RE WRONG
He calls them for 3 days in a row.
Then he receives this email:
This from the guy in charge of the night -
They took the absolute piss. They brought a ridiculous amount of their own alcohol into the venue, I suggested they drink it round the side of the venue as a compromise but after being caught again inside they continued to do so. They said that they can't afford to buy drinks at the bar and usually they get complimentary drinks from the venues they play at, however this is not how we operate, instead we generously pay the bands the door money as opposed to chucking them a few beers and a couple of quid which we feel is a far more generous policy. To make this worse they actually denied having any alcohol with them after just asking at the bar to have back their confiscated cans as well as drinking through the set on stage from their own cans.
On top of that they were very disrespectful to the headline act Peerless Pirates who offered to lend them their drum kit, in which they took no care in looking after and gave their skins a beating (it actually seems that they had been playing with broken sticks as the skins were pretty much destroyed). PP were not happy with this of course and Dingus Khan and their party didn't stick around to watch PP leaving them playing to a fairly empty room. I gave PP £20 to get some new skins. It wasn't just the drums they didn't look after, they also disrespected us a a venue by kicking the stage monitor off the carton it was sitting on and throwing around mics/stands. Actually on two occasions fully dropping the mics onto the floor.
To top it off, the band were extremely rude when asking why they weren't getting any money, myself and my colleague were considering a compromise until 2 of them got quite abusive, getting up in myself and my colleagues face, threatening to go steal what they were owed, in which one of them then stormed behind the bar and attempted to open the fridge and stood behind the bar and refusing to leave. It was only until we were about to call the police they had a slight panic and finally decided to scuffle out of the venue, and upon the venue they actively removed our property from our entrance hall and throw it down the street.
Not only did they threaten the venue and its equipment they actively threatened and also laid hands on staff, all of this is recorded on CCTV and this blatant lack of decorum when talking to the Manager of the venue obviously escalated the situation almost to the conflict on the bands behalf, the Manager of the venue does not tollerate this behaviour from anyone let alone customers or act, the small band circuit relies on mutual hard work from venues and bands in order to survive such behaviour undermines everything that we as a venue aim to work towards.
And this from the manager of the venue -
Its the first time in our history that I've told the staff to withhold payment and we paid Peerless Pirates money to go towards new drum skins. We're not against youthful vigour, in fact I encourage it, but a complete lack of respect of the venue, its facilities and staff and another band's kit is diabolical.
We do not take any door money here, we pay 100% of it to the sound engineer and bands so we rely on people in the bar actually buying a drink, else we are essentially being a charity. If bands are rude enough to bring their own drink in that is one thing but to then flout the drinking of it on stage when they have been told basically encourages their audience to do the same and we found a couple of vodka bottles where some of the girls who were there to see them were sat.
So, in my opinion Phil they really only have themselves to blame.
good luck with everything
FUCking terrible :-(
By the way, you haven't got any spare beers knocking about have ya
Are you in Viva Brother?
have to put at least one ridiculous name
I'm not in a band, but isn't that all a bit off?
so you had a needless go at him.
Yeah, we may be a bunch of nobodies.
but we're the best Bunch of nobodies you're likely to hear anytime soon.
I played there around 3 years ago, in a different band, we were given a crate of RedStripe. Thats fair enough.
Im angry at the Promoter/and the manager.
£20 - when we bought the majority of people, and put on a good show.. £20.. not much is it!? that wouldnt have even covered our travel. Let alone bought us a pint each.
and it's your fault.
Hmmm, it sounds like you behaved in a a pretty confrontational and aggressive manner when seeking your payment, which will have coloured their views of the events that went on onstage and before the gig. If you knew that their preferred method was cash but no free drinks or a rider, then you should have been respectful of this and not repeatedly taken the piss. As for going behind the bar to help yourself- who the fuck do you think you are?
I think you're lucky not to have spent a night in the cells to be honest.
TITUS BRAMBLE!! :'D
You sound like a giant helmet I'm afraid
then whines about it on the internets :3
The internet is not sympathetic.
Also- TITUS BRAMBLE.
of country, played live broke the other bands kit, bought their own booze to the venue, headbutted a few bar staff and wanted to get paid. above band member is now complaining of ill treatment.
Throws toys out of pram when faced with the consequences.
my friend and I got not let in for no particular reason by bouncers acting like it was the ministry of sound not a sunday night hipster gig which also started like 30 min before advertised so even the people who were let in missed most of the headline act...
but honestly, it sounds like you reacted badly to what sounds like a not unreasonable situation.
But I'm fairly sure he's a well known DiSer, is he not? Hmm, something's not right.
...other less important stuff happens.
then walked him, with my hand placed delicately on his lower back. To the bar.
We we told we shouldnt take beers in. But were not stopped from doing so, even though the promoter was told, as it happened.. that it was happening. does that make sense?
wnet behind the bar. Yeah.
I consumed 2 cans of Holsten Pils inside the venue. thats hardly a ridiculous amount.
Sounds like they are pretty raucous. While this can be entertaining for the audience sometimes, it's usually a massive pain in the arse for other bands on the bill and the venue.
I know nothing about The Good Ship. Having read it though, you ARE wrong.
Delicate. Sensual. Tender.
Guy turns up to play gig dressed as Hitler, refuses to do anything on stage except inject heroine, murders the venue's house cat, sets fire to the promoter's pubes, then guns him down, along with the venue manager, all the staff and the audience as they try to run away. Doesn't even stay to watch the next band.
but you did anyway HENCE THE DRAMAZ
Just dont appreciate being fucked over.
I have value in what we do, is that a crime.
And again £20 isnt exactly loads is it?
Wrecking another bands skins by playing with broken sticks, assaulting staff, bringing alcohol into a pub (imagine them being annoyed at that?!!!11).
I hope they press charges and all of you are imprisoned for the rest of your lives.
and then dealt drugs to the crowd on the cheap, meaning they made nothing behind the bar.
I dont know what Heroin-chic means.
there isnt a guy whose role it is to pour beer into peoples mouths.
Someone bought us a bottle of Champagne whilst we were playing, we were amazed, and celebrated by drinking it. Nowt wrong with that.
that even if, in fact ESPECIALLY if, you're in the right, you're screwed the minute you raise your voice, swear and lay so much as a delicate solitary finger on someone. Sounds quite likely to me that the promoter and manager were being cunts, but you've done yourself over. Best to just let it go now.
This'll make the year-end lists, no problem!
If i'd have known it would compromise everything i definately wouldnt have done it.
Bands - do you or do you not normally bring drinks, stash them with yourstuff/backstage?
At the goodship, there is an upstairs bit, where it would seem more than ok to keep things safe. Equipment and stuff.
We went upstairs to check our stuff. All of our bags were open, pedal bags, guitar shit..
turns out they had been through all our stuff looking for KONTRABAND. and confiscated it.
SO in fact the rest of the band didnt get to drink their beers.
'To make this worse they actually denied having any alcohol with them after just asking at the bar to have back their confiscated cans'
.. because you had them you fricking genius
or just buy the same brands that they have bottles/cans of behind the bar ^__^
but not in the same way :(
I thought we shoudve got £70 in fairness.
£45 wouldve been fair. The majority of people came to see us.
£20 was a joke.
If you were there, you wouldve seen that although extremely pissed off. This was all done with a sense of humour.
They just weren't having any of it.
what's the best/worst guestlist request you've had? someone once asked for Sarah Palin to go on his. she didn't show up.
What're your thoughts on the events?
also with impunity.
you need to improve your technique!
He should have gone for a Branko Strupar or someone
(How many indie points does this get me btw?)
Ive got alot of sympathy. Shouldve thrown a few punches you'd have soon got your money. Everyone assumes indie bands / small bands are so desperate to play theyll take a fucking, its not true - shouldve taken a load of spirits in lieu and let the manager deal with it. I know a few bands who would have given the promoter a fucking kicking, and if he'd dragged you across the country itd be deserved in 99% of other professions.
'It was only until we were about to call the police they had a slight panic and finally decided to scuffle out of the venue'
Bullshit. We wanted the police there. they were just pussies and were too scared to call them.
'and upon the venue they actively removed our property from our entrance hall and throw it down the street.'
This is also false.
After we played, i made my way out of the venue, missed a step, and knocked over the advertisement board. I apologized & picked it up immediately.
so.. it did happen. But not like that. LIEs i tell you LLLIEIESS
and they all came in and slept thru the whole gig. :3
as I've said to Nick and Tom, I'll defend the band to the hilt. The drum kit stuff is rubbish and Nick messaged PP on FB and thanked them for the use of stuff, and they didn't say anything about "you fucked our kit up". Also it's about rock 'n roll. What the fuck has happened to music? Do we actually live in frigging Coldplay world where everyone stands around on stage? I thought venues were about exciting edgy music. Still we can say you're banned from there. I will get back to them and state our case. It won't get us the money but they need to know we won't take it.
The cans of drink is another issue though. Both the Buffalo Bar and the Norwich Arts Centre girl said it was out of order to bring cans in to a venue. They make their money obviously, from bar takings. If they see the band with at least a four pack each, and there's seven of you, well you can work out the sums on that, and how much they think they're losing. We have to find a sneakier way of getting it in to the venue and getting it in to glasses, so they don't know.
The recording on the 20th is off. Slack Space top dogs are getting funny about extra curricular activities, mainly anything Tom Hardy and I are doing. So Tom is going to record the Later set on the 5th. I hope that's ok with you?
Your bag is at the Good Ship and I have asked them to keep it safe, and that someone will collect it. Can you get someone to pop over and get it? The place opens at 5pm so anytime after that. I would get it picked up sooner raher than later.
JFC! What are you on about?
once I was DJing there with some cdrs but only one of the decks appeared to like cdrs so I had to DJ off my iPod and one cdr and oh man were the levels different.
To me there's definitely bellendry going on from both sides. It's silly for them to blame you guys for audience members bringing in vodka though.
stay classy, internet warrior
(though not at the Good Ship)
Except we didn't bring anyone in and we demanded £200
and we got it
Especially in LDN.
People think they're treating you by letting you play. BS.
We left at 3:30pm to get there.
didnt leave until just after 12:30.
How many hours is that? 9?
£20 between 7 = £2.85714286
im shit at maths.
To work out what we get payed an hour would be.
£2.85714286 divided by 9 = 0.317460318
So 0.317460318p is what i get payed an hour.
(and Im not big enough to get aggressive myself as Scout will tell you) but I have a great example a few days apart why this is acceptable. When we played at the deaf institute it was during glastonbury, few people showed - the promoters werent there. Shit. We thought we werent gettign paid - the promoters had put an envelope with someone and each band got given the money (the promoters must have lost £250). That was amazing. A few nights later in London we were offered £200 - fantastic. Easily enough people through the door to pay us. Gets to the end of the night, offered £50 or something ridiculous, heated words (my trainfare alone was £55), got aggressive, bouncers threw us out. I dont eat for a week.
I tend(ed) to buy one or more bottles of wine at the bar and get super wrecked
then you might be the stupidest person in the world.
Bramble was clearly not coming due to rape/drug/whatever
Thats what funny?.. oh
Been here and around for a while though
Ive been doing this for years man.
And its not about the money. Not at all.
.. im just sezzzin.
they'll assault you, break your gear and then bad mouth you on a music forum
I do this for the fun.
I like to have a drink, but can;t afford to buy a pint of Lager (which i would never normally buy) for £3:70 or whatever you lot play in the BIG CITy.
Rider?! I don't think they're real.
Yes confrontational. Aggressive, arguable. Voices were raised. And there was a bar between us.
Repeatedly taken the piss?
Wouldve taken the night in the cells if it came to it.
you need the slow-mo video.
'we found a couple of vodka bottles where some of the girls who were there to see them were sat.'
No-one sits at our gigs. Unless it's on Father xmas's lap.
and im father xmas
thats what it comes down too.
You love doing it.
But you need money to get to gigs, buy beer, eat.
Sucks Dogs Dick.
not Wave Patterns
oh balls, I have to leave the house in 5 minutes to run the gig tonight so this is brief. This is difficult as I am trying to be reasonable with both the manager and Micky Squalor as they are speaking to me directly. Micky did spray a load of vitriol over our facebook page about 2 hours ago and I asked him to calm down and speak to me reasonably if he wanted a reasonable response back. Now that everything I am writing to someone privately is being written all over DiS I dunno whether to continue being reasonable or get all FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT for everyone's entertainment. I'll reply properly later. Must say love The Coldplay world reference.
Not in the band I was in recently but we were offered £10 (TEN POUNDS) for playing in fucking Bradford when we were about 16. Decent crowd but our bassist couldnt make it (mum wouldnt let him go!) so we got the drummers cousin who went apeshit at the promoter when he said we werent getting paid. Ended up with the money. Same guy did it in Leicester too and we got paid. Obviously it could all backfire, but whatever (this is not the usual course of action in work, but then again offering someone money to do something and then going back on it isnt, either)
in 2p coins
scattered over 1000 inner London locations
with a clue to there whereabouts as a post a day in this thread for the next approx 3 years
that'll teach you BOTH a lesson
Bands playing door-deal random lineup toilet venue shows who have managers - pretty funny?
the band's been duped into taking someone on, in all fairness.
it takes a lot to organise 7 'musicians' to be in the same place at the same time
It was Joe behind the bar, that was a wangsnail
and every single thing anyone with any involvement in music says is more and more proof of this.
except Andrew Ferris, Jetplane Landing frontman
He told us not to say anything.
but... good thread?
This is the first time i've ever moaned about a venue/promoter.
Dont intend to do it again.
Everyone does that.
i meant to this stone cold
I'm aware that the £20 is a definite no.
and that we'll not be playing at the GoodShip again.
I just knew this would spark conversation & opinion.
You're all being a bit of a dick to Mick_Squalor so I'm on his side.
I think I'd be pissed off in his situation too.
Don't they still pay you £5 per person who sees you once they've made £35 costs or something? I've certainly played average gigs there and walked away with a couple of hundred unexpected pounds. THAT SAID- they also once threw me out for drinking my own whiskey while sitting at the bar... I explained I thought the venue was closed so the rules no longer applied, the nice lasy let me finish my drink before I left.
Maybe it is just you? - do you have 'one of those faces?!' - i know someone with one of those and he is always the victim of bar-based injustice.
Either way, best of luck with your pop group.
So glad I wasn't in office while reading the summaries. Thumping my fist with delight here.
Stop being dicks, acting like you've never been slightly petulant in the face of a frustrating situation before. I know you're not all Cliff Richard.
I think i do have 'one of those faces yeah'.
In fact i'm certain of it.
Was problems with my electric violin, but I think there was actually something wrong with my violin and they were patient and helped as much as they could.
For long distance runners and coppers walking the beat
but why does the majority in this thread seem to think that it's right for the venue to expect ot make a profit from the band buying drinks?
'They make their money obviously, from bar takings. If they see the band with at least a four pack each, and there's seven of you, well you can work out the sums on that, and how much they think they're losing' (i know this wasn't written by anyone in this thread) bugt the band aren't the customers, the punters are
but I'm not sure it's right for them to kick up quite so big a fuss when it gets broken.
The manager said we should have been buying drinks in the venue.
& i said to him, if we wanted to have a couple of pints, we'd be losing even more money.
He smiled and said something like 'thats the point'
Knowing fully well, that £20 wouldn't get us a round anyway.
He wanted us to pay ourselves if that makes any sense/
We give them the money, then they (maybe) give it back.
Provided you don't assault the staff/break the other bands gear.
so sad right now
shit, expensive drinks
but I think it's reasonable to expect that, if the band do choose to drink in the venue, they should buy drink from a venue. They're in a pub - that's what you do in a pub. Generally venues (and especially venues like the Good Ship that try to put on bands on merit and take risks with bands/promoters they like rather than just who'll get 30 people each through the door) don't do particularly good business by putting bands on - I've certainly seen nights in venues like the Good Ship where if the bands weren't buying alcohol nobody would be as there's no actual audience. In a lot of venues I don't think putting bands on significantly increases (and possibly even decreases) custom. I genuinely find it bizarre the original poster assumes openly bringing your own alcohol into a venue would be okay.
Moreover I don't really understand why bands have this shock-horror reaction to the fact they're losing money. It's a hobby and most hobbies cost money. If you're doing a gig that costs x amount to get to that's your decision - nobody's put a gun to your head and told you that you must play. And if you want to drink x amount of alcohol that's your decision too. It's an amount of money you've taken the decision to spend in the course of pursuing your hobby.
Being paid, being given food, having travel covered and being bought beers are all nice things and I'm delighted when they happen but they're not basic rights or entitlements.
Both as a promoter and in a band I've had nights where the last band ends up on stupidly late or our setlist gets squeezed 'cos Ego McCuntface who was on 90 minutes earlier has taken 17 years to set up and then decided their handful of fans 'deserve' to hear three extra songs beyond the time they've been given. It shows no respect at all for other bands on the bill.
But they can't afford the petrol to get to the gig?
I believe that bands should be payed, even if it's just a tenner.
You provide a service.
Yes, it is a hobby. The 30mins you're up there playing is the hobby. The waiting around isn't.
People share equipment. Travel from across the UK to come and play. The bands aren't at fault here. They/we are what make nights happen.
People should be paid for providing a service, it's not like we were begging to come and play, we were asked. So part of you expects something towards it.
*lifts sneakily lifts smuggled tin of beer, and pours poorly into 'glass of water please' pint glass*
but I don't really like you.
genuinely saddened by that.
1) it all comes down to what the other band think about their drum kit, if thats where your payment went then fair enough. If they havent mentioned it it doesnt mean they werent annoyed about it
2) think a reasonable venue would allow own drinks given most bands make a loss being there, but only in a back stage area
3) probably should never get up in peoples faces and touch them in situations like this, instantly forfeit
2. Totally agree. It seems to be standard procedure everywhere else.
Also, minor detail, we're talking about 2 cans of beer here. Which i consumed. The rest of the band had theirs confiscated.
3. Correct. Unfortunately. They were saying assault as soon as i walked in the bar with the promoter.
Hope not anyways.
...and say that John at The Good Ship is easily, easily the best promoter I have ever played for. Easily. He is an absolute delight.
If you're taking issue with the folk at The Good Ship then I hope to fuck that you don't have any dealings with most of the other promoters in London. Most London promoters at your level are abhorrent. It's one of the things you have to deal with. Carry on like this, and you and your attitude will land you in a fuckload of trouble.
Noone wanted to fight us and our equipment was as it was at the start of the night. Wonderful.
Right, I blame the manager, he models himself on Alex Ferguson meets Alan McGee meets Fagin. I am grateful to Micky Squalor for posting his piece up, its absolutely priceless.
My colleague who ran the door on the night rang me up to say that this band had thrashed the drum kit of the headline band and that they had brought their own beers in despite being told twice it were not allowed and asked if he could give the headliner some money from the profit on the door from Dingus Khan as he felt so bad about their kit. He was affronted by them and suggested we didn't pay them anything and I agreed with that.
The band manager suggests the drum kit stuff is rubbish, how he would know not having been there on the night I do not know. I spoke to the engineer on the night and he said there were 4 cm dents all along the drumkit and the skins and the drummer of the headliner was mighty pissed off with the way his kit was left. The headliners have indeed confirmed with me that indeed one of the skins on the toms had been "smacked to bits."
There are all sorts of innaccuracies in here and I have to pull up some of the most glaring ones. Dingus Khan did not provide the majority of the audience as suggested and it ceratinly was not 30+. There were 21, 18 of whom were on a cheap list amongst a total audience of 73. Nevertheless they would have made £44 ordinarily. He also implies that noone else on the night got paid which is complete nonsense. Every time we run an inhouse run show we pay every band 100% of what came in at the door for them beyond £25.
There is no way whatsoever that my chap on the door would have tolerated them bringing their beers in hidden, it is just nonsense. At best he felt a bit threatened.
My favourite bit of this thread is when Cementimental says hate to break it to you but you being told twice not to bring beers in WAS you being stopped from doing so but you did anyway HENCE THE DRAMAZ and Micky Squalor answers No it isnt. If i'd have known it would compromise everything i definitely wouldn't have done it.
I just knew this would spark conversation & opinion. You just cannot argue with that level of logic.
I have had plenty of bands bring in their own beers before. I don't like it for obvious reasons, it is taking the piss but only once in the past have I penalised a band for it. I took £10 off their door and drunk it at the Colin Campbell across the road. Blatant disregard for another band's equipment, being a lot less than careful with ours and acting like wankers to my lovely staff however makes me really mad so they can fecking feck off.
not a lot of good can come from being so reactionary in public like this. even if you were shafted 10x worse, there's still no excuse for having an epic fit over it.
- Alejandro Jodorowsky
The manager is not the problem. (Although he does look slightly like Alan McGee)
The headline band has not mentioned anything of the sort to us. Neither at the time, nor afterwards. We are still waiting to clear this up.
When was it decided that we were not being paid?
If we were not going to be paid, why were we not told this straight? Instead of us being told 'its not my problem'.
We were then left to question your staff, one of whom seemed to be enjoying the whole experience. Which was unsavory for everyone concerned. People still drinking at the bar looked embarrassed, and i don't think it was because we were causing a scene. I think it was painful to watch us trying to force blood from a stone.
Tom Cater knew that we were bringing beers in, Fact.
I told him i was doing so, and i did as i said.
You can check the CCTV cameras in your hallway.
He told me to keep them hidden, then, clearly when i was next outside, told the bar staff. Who then went through our bags. And removed them.
I was the only one who didnt have beers taken from me.
And so, was the only one breaking the rules.
Two cans of Beer is what we're talking about here.
If he felt threatened he could've asked for assistance. I doubt he did, as i like to think that we are a bunch of rather amiable guys.
I believe it was then decided that we would not be paid.
'I just knew this would spark conversation & opinion' - There i am talking about why copied your email into the thread. To give it two sides, otherwise it would've just been me rambling on about the whole affair.
John, you weren't there. But i wish you were. You seem like a level headed guy, and have a lot of people speaking highly of you on here. Had you have been there, I doubt that it would've turned out the way it did.
21 not 30+. Sorry.
Are the Microphones and Monitors broken?
some bands are pussies and won't say anything if someone fucks up their kit. Our drummer would and very almost has ripped the arms of people who have fucked with his kit, though more often than not people have the common decency to offer to pay for new skins/hardware before anyone gets hurt.
Anyway good thread! I've never been to the Good Ship, probably will never play there as we're a bunch of fucking divas when it comes to stage size/sound and we've heard mixed things on both, but I would go there if there was anyone i wanted to see! This thread if anything makes me want to go to the Good Ship more.
But we were told to bring drum hardware & breakables.
Now, to me drum hardware and breakables are:
Bass drum Pedal
The drummer from the headline band was at first refusing to let us use his snare stand, which would've meant.. no snare
,.He let us use it. Thank you guy.
Our main drummer only uses the floor tom, so asked if he should remove the other toms from the kit, naturally he would replace them. The guy said no.
We asked the guy as he was leaving if his drums were fucked. He said no. Granted he may have felt 'intimidated' cos we were worked up.To be honest he probably just wanted to leave.
Although, he was bigger than any one in our band, and could've beaten us down if he wanted too.
.. he was wearing mascara though.
This thread just gives and gives.
Maybe it was Titus Bramble having a practice.
but why didn't you say something at the time?
We bought more than a dozen people.
I guess our band are just a bunch of wankers.
And the people who like us are absolute scumbags.
RE: Jamaican Woodbine - Yes, we all were.
I think the 'Kicking a dog' is the funniest thing yet.
Although i did not see it, i certainly don't approve
Righto, lets get another gig together then Barry Boy.
And i swear to God we'll blow your ship out of the water.
I was the guy cheering for you to play one more at the end, we made eye contact and you smiled.
Man up, or give up chum.
ALSO if you're in a pirate based band, make more effort than just dressing in black. Where are the accents, eye patches and pirate based jokes?
More effort needed. Take a leaf out of our local pirate based bands book.
EAST TOWN PIRATES
though hardware I do count as "the metal bits which hold up the drums", haha, though in all my years of gigging we've never been told to bring our own hardware if we're sharing the backline. Saying that the last 4 years my drummer has brought his own kit to pretty much every gig and has no problem lending it out as long as people don't be silly with it.
ANYWAY this Peerless Pirate guy should have said something at the time, I don't understand why he didn't is my main point.
The way that people said we fucked off is just lies.
I stayed till the end, and had a conversation with the guitar player about his homemade stomp boxes.
jesus, i don't see how BarryPP would've ever found out about this thread (clearly someone called for backup), & i think it's lame how both John & Barry have just left after posting a couple of times, instead of working with all of us to make this thread even more ridiculous.
We have no problem with letting people use our stuff.
We shared at the GoodShip as we have done and intend to do.
I have no idea why he didn't either.
I still don't believe we did, i think he's just being a bit of a precious pansy, and moaning because someone actually played them with an iota of feeling.
Fuck off Barry.
Which women did we slap?
you mascara wearing prong.
I'm serious about the gig by the way Barry.
Well played whoever that was.
i really am a wanker
i actually live 30 seconds walk from the good ship and i've always had fun there, it's a very well run place. and their rules for paying bands door money is very fair.
when you're in a band, especially when playing in a small venue like the good ship, then IF YOU'RE LUCKY you either get paid in booze or money or a combination of the two when gigging.
to me, it sounds like they were justified in not giving you any money.
you being in a band makes NO DIFFERENCE to the rule that you can't bring booze in from outside.
you have NO RIGHT to break the rules just because you're performing, so don't be a childish wanker about the fact that beer is expensive.
did you spend time and money coming to london to drink or to play a gig ?
i actually think that more venues should pay bands in money instead of beer. if bands want to spend money on beer then that's their own choice. money for food and petrol = yes. beer ? you don't need beer to play a gig.
no, i get you man.
'if you're lucky' is a bit lame. But it's the way it goes.
It's not like i don't already know the way it works. I've been doing it for years & i'm only 21. I may well look back at myself, and think 'aww gawd, what a bozo'. But at the moment i'm young and full of fire (gizz). So .. hmmnn
I played there 3 years ago and we got a crate of beer.
i like beer. gimmie beer.
i should go to bed really/
##..I spent time and money to play the gig.
Hope we don't get blacklisted as a BAD BAND who come to the big city, and rape and pilllage.
'We want to be free! We want to be free to do what we want to do! We want to be free to ride. And we want to be free to ride our machines without being hassled by The Man. And we want to get loaded. And we want to have a good time! And that’s what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna have a good time. We’re gonna have a party!'
Its Hell and Heaven all at once.
But lots of fun.
Lots of fun.
I applaud your lateral thinking
Cured my hangover 11/10
Because if not, to me, it sounds like the band and the venue have been left high and dry by the promoter on this one.
Reads like his work.
I would NEVER, EVER do that.*
(*Unless it was a really wanky expensive pub and it wasn't my idea anyway so there)
Also, some poor communication on all sides.
even if they don't quite see eye to eye with you on this one. I would possibly come and see your band just out of curiosity now.
Hate it when he does that
He screamed a Katy Perry cover at the end and I thought he was going to die before paying me.
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*Well myself and Richey Edwards.
Though.. I usually don't need beer to play a gig.. just a couple of packs of these:
being a better band
Unless they're useless at organizing themselves, that is. In which case it's their own fault people don't realise how great they are.
Regardless, if you book a gig, particularly if you're going to great lengths to play it, you should probably find out beforehand what the venues policies are with payment and what you are and aren't allowed to do on the night.
some kind of sparticus joke maybe?
pittance-margins mixed bill aggro cold-outside miles-from-home parking ticket shitty vanned barstaff-leaving cables-stolen whole general gigging experience off this thread...It's like a horrible Imax experience...oh man.
I have no clue who is pretending to be me but this is NOT!
I had no issues from the Gig at the Good Ship! A skin on my kit did get damaged but that is life when lending your kit to other bands!Whoever wrote this stuff is just trying to annoy people for no reason, oh and by the way, its eyeliner not mascara! lol We are in a band because we love live music and performing for an audience. I have no problems with any band from the night especially Dingus Kahn!
I am not even sure why someone would write that utter shit! I spoke with the members of Dingus Kahn after the gig inside and outside the venue and have been in touch with the drummer on facebook, I am confused!
Barry Short - Peerless Pirates Drummer OFFICIAL!P)
I have to say that i am very dissappointed that someone has written that absolute drivel and put my name to it! In fact i am disgusted. The Good Ship is a superb venue that the Pirates love to play. The promoter Tom is a superb guy who we will always do our best for. A note to bands, stuff does get damaged when you lend it out, its just par for the course when headlining. Dingus Kahn, as i said on the night put on a great show. The 7 piece were a little excited on stage but that is fucking Rock and Roll man what more can i say!
I loved your Bull & Gate show. I even announced to all eight of my twitter followers you were my new favourite band.
Please don't say silly internet things to put me (as a venue booker) off you.
You've admitted to bringing in your own beers when you were asked not to. You've admitted to going behind the bar and threaten to steal their stock....
It's not going very well, is it?
John was lovely to us, and we were lovely back.
The venue could do with some curtains around the walls of the stage area as it can sound a bit mushy down there but overall it was a decent experience.
You sound to me like a bit of a dick i'm afraid. You have to understand that venues see maybe 40 odd bands come through a week and you are no more important than any of the others in their eyes. When you treat their in house equipment like shit it may seem "rock 'n' roll" to you at the time but there's thousands of other bands that need to use that same gear after you. If you are going to throw around mics, stands and monitors bring your own and noone will have an issue. What pisses me off the most is that the sound engineer ALWAYS gets the blame for DI's/Mics/Stands/Cables being faulty when bands like yours have treated them with utter contempt. Just don't do it, it makes you look like a cunt anyway.
What i see quite frequently is bands walking into venues like they own the place as to them they have 2-3 weeks preperation for one 30 minute set but your just another group of chancers in the eyes of the venue and you have to prove yourself every time you get out there.
Unfortunately for you to stand out amongst the endless line of acts coming through you have to be a good band, nice to other bands, play by the rules of the venue (bringing in your own beer is stupid, let alone advertising the fact), and bring a crowd as best you can.
No-one owes you anything when you're in an unsigned band. You are not providing a service. If you dont play that gig someone else will and you're there to promote YOUR band, not provide paid entertainment. If that's what you're after you need to join a cover band or get yourselves a deal with tour support etc where people actually buy tickets to see you. In the meantime you will be slogging it out, losing money and dealing with dickheads along the way (this includes you, and not John at the Good Ship).
First of all I'd like to let it be known how disappointed I am that my emails to Mick have found their way onto this thread, that is to be sorted out between myself and Mick though.
When I contacted John about this I recieved an email full of expletives telling me that I should make love to myself. Frankly I'm disappointed that he should handle himself in this manner. A bit of rock and roll is what my boys were booked for, and that is the service they provided. If you don't want your skins to be damaged then don't lend them out. Its simple logic even for the morons that DK had to deal with that night.
The dog incident is news to me and I'll certainly be having words about it.
I won't be allowing any of my bands to play The Good Ship again knowing that it is run by such a bunch of theives. £20 doesn't sound like much, but it is more the principal of the thing.
happened when i DJ'd (on new year's eve, of all nights) at The Windmill and only one of the CD players liked CDRs so i ended up having to half DJ from my CDs (ALL CDRS) and the other half from Tim's, but that's OK cos we went from Toto to Arrested Development when the bell's struck. ding dong.
*inhales, drags palm of hand down face*
It's shitting up a classic thread guys.
Everyone. Top marks.
Titus Bramble > Kicked Dog > Bogus Pirate > 'Manager'
shit band. bad publicity is better than non though.
but yeah, this thread had me laughing hard in places.
Presumably still asleep from his 12 hour bullshit binge. haha
I'm pretty proud of you all.
And whoever did this is out of order; http://tiny.cc/1kxog
Looks like maybe Mick has a bigger tosser in his little boy scout clan.
They wouldnt just say your drums look abit battered have the other bands fee would they?
a carefully orchestrated PR campaign of hate in the buildup to his linking to his mini-album.
tho i will make one exception and never stop dissing XOYO on here till it closes
And now it is public we have every right to take the piss.
I have this image of Phil_khan bending Mick_Squalor over his knee for a good old fashioned spanking.
does this all mean i should or shouldn't play the good ship?
I have just had one of the worst nights of my life. To my delight on Thursday I found a band through one of those unsigned music sites with stencil fonts and pictures of amps who couldn't play a show at the Good Ship in Kilburn tonight, and who was kindly willing to give away his set for free to another group of rock and roll urchins who could name a favourite variety of pasta shapes in tomato sauce closest to his own. Luckily I got the gig by saying my favourite variety of pasta shapes in tomato sauce was 'Haunted House'. He agreed to send his contract to me via osmosis and he did so on Saturday. The setlist did not arrive on time today (Monday) so he provided me with a photo of a cloud which he felt best represented the mood of his music, and the pantone shade of the paper on which the setlist was printed. I knew it was slightly risky but I went to the venue anyway with these trivial bits of waffle and the gigmeister's name, thinking they would be able to find his details by rolling 4 or more on a D6. The journey was over twelve months away from the 7 various locations I live around the country. When I got there the box office staff requested the name of my band, which I did not have. I told them this and that being someone I found on Jack Daniels Unsigned Rock Xtacular I could not contact the man easily (I described him as the other half of a pantomime horse I onced played to make my case more convincing). They told me to try and contact him so I purchased some beer from a local off license and belched a message in morse code, using a traffic cone as a primitive loudhailer. I received no reply.
At this point they had over 30 places left for people on the guestlist who hadn't turned up yet, including the entireity of the Newcastle team of 1999. By 7.30, 45 minutes into our set the drum skins called it a day and collapsed. At this point the promoter ushered me off the stage, being totally unsympathetic and telling me to leave even though I, as a 21 year old man with rock and roll in his blood who rarely cries, was welling up. Devastated, I stood stage left, hoping they would find it in their heart to let me play the final songs, as there was still a working mic stand. The staff just stood behind the bar, staring at me, one girl who worked behind the bar was wearing a Liars 'Drums Not Dead' tshirt, as if to say I was stupid and ridiculous to expect them to believe me. I had never felt so rejected and experienced how cold people can be.
Unless there is a BYO policy for bands? Or play only for venues and promoters that dont need to pay for things like Staff, Rent, Equipment etc.
...or have i missed the point?
is lost on everyone?
Nothing is sacred. Like a lamb to the slaughter.
plus nobody cares
get your facts right, you little twat.
Bravo, sir! Bravo!
yeah i think i'm beginning to get a clearer picture of this now
secretly bring drinks into venues without permission in future despite the catastrophic results this time and who and say do really obviously unwise and foolish things to the venue/staff on a regular then maaaaybe you need to look at YOURself :-/
It's also good publicity for Dingus Khan in a skewed perverse roundabout way.
And it's free. Stop moaning.
This just keeps on giving.
(please don't call it a day, this is amazing)
I actually quite like the video and have heard much worse.
Not so sure about their manager though. Seems a little bit unprofessional / angry.
Just what the country needs!! have you been in the top 10 singles on Amazon hot new releases for indie/alternative & Rock catergories yet?
never give up on the dream boys!
That it would blossom into this.
Made my day
but I don't like this Phil chap very much.
Think of the artist tags we're missing out on.
and why's he picking on poor cat-race so much? Everyone has been picking on his precious band.
I think he needs to put on some Dingus, smoke a jamaican woodbine, and kick a dog to chill out. Or go and hang with Titus for a bit!
He's so full of rage.
Sack Phil, Hire Titus
thanks. Please send me a new, non-coffee-soaked monitor.
own up Phil
In short, I don't know how I did that.
That's how the bands, sound engineer and promoter should be able to get all their money out of the door.
The times bands really lose out is when the pub also charges for hiring the venue room so it's getting double takings. But then that's what happens when too many self-righteous types decide that bringing their own alcohol in is really cool.
i never once had an issue bringing a bottle of wine into a venue (although it was usually during soundchecks)
Not only do you kick dogs, you're also actively involved in the slave trade?!
Your band makes me sick.
Have you noticed how you were acting the big man and calling the Good Ship and John out and then as soon as he posted you were all like 'sorry I only wanted to spark a debate' and then you calmed down a bit and realised that you were acting like a bell so pretended that it was all a joke and now you've sidled back in to the thread in order to keep up that pretence?
Dingus Khan play live suspended from the ceiling.
Whilst Phil (manager) & John (goodship) Fight to the death using two ten pound notes.
The winner keeps the cash, and is free to do as he pleases.
This night is to be promoted by the same guy who did the GoodSHip one. So, bring popcorn.
with support from Luke Leighfield & Sweet Gorrilla
See you there, Obviously!
I like that all you guys now know the name DINGUS KHAN
I've been jagging/posting free tracks on here sporadically for months, but to no avail.
This whole thing is amazing.
No i am not a giant Bell
Records out next year.
You were however acting like one.
If a venue is fine to let a band bring their own rider in then I don't see a problem with that but I wouldn't assume it was an okay thing.
My point is that to act like it's a terrible thing is a little naive and shows a lack of understanding of how the whole gig world tends to work.
Such rules may be more prevalent in London where most pubs have to sell beers at close to £4 to cover costs and are right next door to a huge number of offies with 6 cans for £5 type offers.
and smash up all their instruments in the name of rock and roll
can't wait to see you all.
Stayed up till god knows when.
Played paper,rock,scissors with Froglet on tinychat (she won)
KHAN though not KAHN
It'lll be fun as hell.
And i promise you we're good.
Sell you cds after if you want!
Get him PHIL!
SEAN to thread.
And if i recall correctly.
You booked a band called ELFRED & THE UBER PEAS.
We played a show for you at the CAMDEN ENTERPRISE
Did we get paid?
... HELL NO
shame on you vine. shame on you.
No where else minds reallllly.
Or, at least, they understand why, and turn a blind eye.
We normally go to gig, knowing fully well that we will not be paid.
We love doing it, and would(do) do it for free.
The reason for the anger, is the way the whole thing was carried out. It was incredibly underhand, with no (in my opinion) valid reasons.
I was mad, upset, & as i said earlier i shed a tear outside after leaving the venue. (only one though,, im not a MASSIVE wimp)
The Bull & Gate gig was amazing. Thank you for the Champagne, i still have the bottle on my mantle piece at home.
I carried it across LDN for a week, and it covered all my clothes in dregs of the precious liquid.
I smelt like the classiest tramp in the city.
this is shit. fuck the good ship, john - fuck off you massive twat.
i sent this to PP after we played...
Have just got this email through from the Goodship, amongst other things...
"On top of that they were very disrespectful to the headline act Peerless Pirates who offered to lend them their drum kit, in which they took no care in looking after and gave their skins a beating (it actually seems that they had been playing with broken sticks as the skins were pretty much destroyed)."
I am very very grateful when another drummer lets me use their drum kit - I would just like to say I had seen the dented skin on the hi-tom before we played, I don't actually use that drum, I didn't hit it once during our entire set or sound check. Also, I never use broken sticks. I broke 2 on the cymbals but swapped them instantly for others as I know this damages skins...
I'm not seeking any kind of cash back for the skins or any rubbish like that. It's just a message so you know i'm not a complete cunt (as the fuck-head promoter is making me out to be to several people).
I don't want you to think I was taking the piss, I really do appreciate it when all I can carry on me is breakables and someone else sorts out the drum kit.
To which he emailed back a very nice message to say that he knew it wasn't me who dented his skins, he would have a word with the CUNT -promoter and that he respected the fact i had said something to him afterwards
END OF. FUCKING PAY US. DONT FUCK US.
also, PP are really really cool guys even though they wear eyeliner.
Dont give up Mick Squalor.
Seriously come to the gig at Bull and Gate, live circumcisions
Imagine my disappointment when I find out it's your fucking band name.
there are exceptions though
dinga linga ling
This has been fun and it makes a change from the 'where do the holes in polos go?' or 'I'm going on a date with a girl, but i don't know how to kiss' threads.
I don't intend to post anything of this ilk in future.
I dont intend to be.... FUCKKKEKKED AGGGGaaaiiaannnna>!?!nnnn!!nnMN
Or i could get you Litter Shitter probably
This is brilliant.
YOU WEREn'T THERE MANNNN
No. Please. No
Ladies and Gentlemen. (Ladies Especially)
This is JFroth of Dingus Khan.
He is the Ukulele player.
Question him. I consider him to be the most level headed member of the band.,
a) layed hands on a someone (even if you say this was 'gently', it's still an act of aggression)
b) came behind the bar saying you're going to steal alcohol, thus intimidating bar staff, who have absolutely nothing to do with the situation, but merely trying to do their job
c) disrespected the venues', and other bands property, potentially causing damage which they'd have to pay for out of their own pockets and
d) continued to drink cans of beer inside the venue after being told not to.
None of the above have you denied doing, however you still think it's reasonable to come onto this forum and spout libel about the venue? I think it's completely reasonable what they did- taking money they were going to pay you and giving it to the band whose equipment you ruined. And to be honest, if you value your band at only £20, then I feel sorry for you and should probably get a day job- especially considering that by the sound of it, only about 12 people actually came to see your gig anyway. Or if you cannot find a job at your local KFC, perhaps ask your parents/guardians for an increase in your weekly allowance?*
I regularly go to the Good Ship, and know numerous bands who have played there in the past who have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. On the contrary, John the owner is known as a great guy who puts his blood sweat and tears (sometimes literally) into the venue, who's always willing to go above and beyond to support local artists, so it's no wonder he told you to fuck off when you acted the way you did.
One final thing- may I ask exactly how many people you brought through the door? You initially stated 30, then readjusted to 'definitely more than a dozen'. Because unless it was a substantial amount, throwing shit around onstage doesn't make you look like Sid Vicious, it makes you look like a try hard.
*Disclaimer- this sentence was written mostly in jest.
WATERMELON?!? I've been called a cunt, prick, 'hey you in the bushes', racist, lair, but never a watermelon. That hurts man!
do you, dingus khan, not think maybe - just MAYBE - he's not actually in the business of screwing bands over, and perhaps you irritated him with your behaviour? like for example how you say that bringing your own beers in a venue is "not allowed, but everyone does it" that sounds like one of those rules that goes unspoken pending mutual respect by band and owner, and it seems to me like you assumed that unspoken rule was written in stone and john understandably didn't like that.
i think probably you should have been paid something. but on the other hand, it's not really the hard working rock band vs the evil promotor saga that you're painting it as, you just stepped on too many toes that night. if you're the PROPER BALLS OUT ROCK N ROLL BAND that you claim to be, you should be used to pissing people off and you should roll with the punches, instead of throwing all your toys out of the pram when your "rock n roll attitude" garners you some enemies.
...remember you don't need to be a dick to be rock'n'roll.
Good to see you pouring oil on the troubled waters here.
If John had've been there, imsure it wouldve been a different story.
Fact of the matter is, the situation was handled badly.
There are 4 parties here.
1. DINGUS KHAN (all hail)
2. Tom Cater (Promoter)
3 Joe (Bar manager on the night)
For whatever reason, it was decided that we were not going to be paid. I personally don't believe that this was thought through.
somewhere parties 2/3/4 had got there wires crossed. And when confronted (which i don't believe they were expecting) they didn't have a concrete excuse as to WHY we were not to be paid the £20.
We did not know how much we were supposed to be paid, i said £20 in the argument, so there was some kind of figure.
I objected to the way in which they went about shafting us. I've been shafted hundreds of times, by much better (at shafting) people than those guys.
1. The beer.
i was the only one drinking beer in the venue. We're talking 2 cans here. The other members of the band had their bags rummaged through, and the beer taken from them.
NOW. They would've drunk their beers inside. But the FACT is they didnt.
2. The drum kit breaking.
As clarified above, this was sorted out eventually between drummers. There is no bad blood. The drum kit was not DESTROYED as the promoter said in the email. It was a dented skin.
3. Venues property. Monitors/mics.
Quite often during gigs, things go over.
As soon as you get this happening, you get people who know nothing about gigs/performance saying that you were being disrespectful, and more often than not, they say that their equipment is broken. this is often before checking or consulting the soundman.
No equipment was broken. I called the soundman over, put him on the spot. And he agreed that nothing was broken.
He did however say that, if he was the boss, he would've kicked us off stage as soon as the mic stand got knocked. Pusssy.
Now, i see no valid reason for the way we were treated.
Tom Cater (promoter) promised to pay us the £20. Obviously we knew this wouldnt happen, and told him so. It just shows you some of the slimey characters you have to work with. (us included?)
I now consider myself a bit of a bastard.
It has only ever happened once before this.
and srsly i think i/we are pleasant guys.
But i guess teh internetz will be the judge of that.
I don't understand the beer thing. If you can't afford to buy a pint in the venue and the venue don't offer you comps, just say "Fair enough, won't drink tonight".
Not difficult, surely?
We're doing a tour of high schools in the near future.
Which one you at? Imma plant a big bag of weed in your napsack.
I live in Manningtree
1 bassist lives in Norwich
1 Bassist lives in Luton
1 Bassist lives in Bradfield
1 Drummer lives in Colchester
1 Drummer lives in Portsmouth
the uke player lives in Uxbridge
see what im getting at?
Not being able to take your own alcohol is a common policy in most, if not all, pubs. Dunno why being in a band or the fact that you only drank two makes a difference. Still against their policy, innit.
I think maybe if you asked nicely if you could pour a few cans into a pint glass, they may not have had an issue with it. If not, go around the corner and neck a few cans like most other bands do.
Also, as i've previously said, i've been getting screwed weekly.
It nothing new.
yeah, i'm used to people getting pissed at us. Our local festival wouldnt let us play, down to rumours of us smashing equipment, and such like. But yesterday the runners of the thing were saying how we were there new favorite band.
I guess it's just the way it works.
We won't be playing the GoodShip again, hopefully we're moving onto bigger and better things(maybe not, but we'll see).
but that doesnt mean that no-one else should play there, i actually take that back.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or... yeah..
There are places outside the big cities y'know.
Fairer, untainted, honest places.
how about that fucking Monto Water Rats, eh?
If we're talking about TheGoodShip night.
we're talking about 2 CANS OF BEER.
Next time, i guess ill drink outside, and miss all the other bands.
Hope 6th form is fun.
Be who you want to be.
Don't give in to peer pressure.
Yeah if you think you've been fucked over at The Good Ship, try playing here. A place that actually has the INTENTION of fucking bands over. And I know this for a fact, because I used to work there. I'd never seen a headline act been told to fuck off because there's not enough time for their set, due to another band been added last minute as support.
Why doesn't everyone redirected their anger towards The Monto?
in case you haven't figured the general tone of this thread is stop bitching and save yourself from more negative exposure
advice taken on board though
the thread's gonna get deleted now.
I have the solution to the WATER RATS if anyone wants to hear it.
absolutely not cool. this was the best thread ever.
r.e Water Rats
this involves co-operation, and careful planning.
But the premise is quite simple.
1. Get yourself a gig at the Water Rats.
2. Get friends band/Bands you talk to to also get on the bill
3. Go along as normal (dont sell tickets to the thing, but be in correspondence with the promoter)
4. Wait until the day, and dont turn up, no warning.
Then an email the following day saying screw you, this is going to happen more often until you sort it out.
Eventually they'd have to do something. Even a facebook group would be good.
5. Abuse any dogs found wandering outside and
6. Stand outside hurling empty beer cans on the night of said gig.
But yes, The Monto is a corrupt organisation, and one I will never support by going back to see a gig there.
soundofbastards gig is posted on there.
as well as darcys bridge picture.
by mentioning how promoter/managers have tried to avoid paying me..........but Im a Barry too.......leave us alone.
Put Bradfield into google maps. It's near Manningtree, where o live.
Dude, This is Baz from the Pirates. You need to know i didn't write tht shit and i am really not impressed with what you wrote back.
If you have any conscience you will write a new post fully exhonerating me and setting straight that i have been in contact with both you and Nic and you are now happy that whoever wrote the post was not me.
I hope we do get to do another Gig together!!!!!
Nice Chap. Fair Enough.
im not that sad
you can guess which one i am.
.. hello ladies ;-)
Unfortunetly, having seven members in the band makes it quite hard to fit onto a smaller stage. So when rocking out, somtimes mics get knocked over. This is never intentional and honestly doesnt happen that often but when it does it usually sparks a few mass debates.
I understand their reasoning behind not paying us for possibly braking the PA and equipment. And for drinking in the venue is fair enough, although at this point i would like to add that i did not drink in the venue nor did i intend to. I do not believe many of us where actually drinking inside apart from Mick_Squalor.
Mick has never got so angry about not being payed before, i didnt understand it to be honest. I think it was just a mixture of drunkeness, annoyance and passion. But this didnt make it right to go behind the bar and start demanding pay. It makes you look like a dick, because you failed to see it from the venue owner and managers point of view. And if you hadnt have been as in their face as you were we may have come to an agreemant if not an understanding. Threatening people gets you no where, especially if you dont have anything to threaten them with.
But you were drunk.
And if there is any sense in you, which i strongly believe there is, you wont try to solve problems like this in the same way again.
The guy from PP who came over and talked to us outside was a dude. I saw eye to eye with him, and thought what he said at the time was very true and has been repeated more or less earlier in this thread so il repeat it now.
We enjoy playing, every gig gets more fun than the last. Its not about pay, it never has been and never will. Even though times are hard for us, times are hard on everyone right now and we cant forget the pressures and worries of all partys involved.
I am so high.
Josh - dingus khan's ukulele player.
*throws raw meat into thread*
Don't really know why i'm trying to prove to you that i am someone that you seem to hate anyway.
It might be better if i wasn't who i said i was!
1. A vague whiff of Marijuana
2. Axe Bodyspray
It's a motherfucking career grinder, with a highlight reel.
Click on this link:
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How the hell do you get drunk on two cans?
But he did not state how many he had outside
I dont think i was even THAT drunk.
but.. who knows...
This thread was probably about to die, until Jfroth had to rear his bloodshot-eyed face into it. For the sake of everyone involved, can we close this thread ASAP? Perhaps after taking some screen grabs as a memento?
Good point guyhousername
_Squalor is allreet, let me know if you need another drummer....yeah?
There are always drums knocking about onstage.
Come to a gig, and join in.
We have just kinda recruited another drummer for local gigs.
making the total 3 in all.. but.. who knows. x
Na, I'm high on life.......
even HAVE a ukulele player? Can you even hear the thing?
It's not an acoustic one.
Its a ridiculous fuzzed out monster.
but i know a samba troupe who might be arsed w/ banging a few random bits about ...
1 more added recently
Freddiehubbard is interested too.. so ... 8?
please tell me you are.
but weirder. and better.
Sound Quality is Wretched though.
If so, i'll PM you in a couple of months.
It's a Sweet Gorilla moment. It's a tragedy for your band.
since we had a thread which came close to knocking Mars Bar Day off its perch
It's the instrument he chose to play when he was younger.
And he's probably one of the best in the world at it.
I know that sounds retarded, but most people are just playing lame chords of a semi acoustic thing.
THIS GUY SHREDDDDDZZZ
great stuff. thanks to all.
musicians ALWAYS play at The Good Ship in Kilburn.
all time moment on DiS
kept me going whilst i warmed up at work, lovely stuff
Just listened to a couple of DK tracks and they aren't bad you know.
If they were a) tighter and b) better recorded I would listen to them more. Yep.
Pass on your Rock Star knowledge. Phil is clearly More of a hinderance, and you could have a cool manager nickname like Gray Wolf.
I would never, never want to be a manager. Although you're right, I could do a better job than Phil. For example I'd actually attend their London shows and stop them from acting like dicks around promoters / venue staff.
I used to take my own booze into venues all the time if there was no rider. Only if there was a backstage area to drink it though.
That winky face is unsettling warny. Very unsettling.
Call your album 'Dogkicker' or 'We kick dogs for fun'
Down with that
i said they shouldn't be expecting to make a profit from the band buying drinks. OF COURSE they should expect to make a profit from the audience, especially if you're a great place like the good ship that is fair to bands and pay them the takings on the door.
at playing the ukelele
He said he knew it sounded retarded
It's pretty sweet.
See you at the BULL & GATE on the 16th on NOVEMBER.
Jake Shimabukuro is better
I don't have an issue with them expecting the band to buy drinks either.
No. But that's because I'm boring.
But deadonthestairs is my bet
.....it sounds like you were being a prat and didn't derserve to get paid.
'Almost 600 Replies on a Forum full of Stuck-Up Indie Wankers and we only got 30* people to come and see us play at The Good Ship' *21
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Mick linked me to a few other tracks and they were very good indeed.
If they come to Brighton I'll check them out.
would watch again
You better be good boys. You better be good.
screw the lot of you.
unfortunately their next gig clashes with Johnny Dean DJing at The Monarch. so i'm going to that.
</reasonably indie posting>
we started bumping it with the number of posts it was to be at and an entry from Google for that number.
hats off to one and all
16th. Bull&Gate. Yeah.
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