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My band have played there and they gave us a good soundcheck
Why do you say this?
We played a gig there the other night.
And they fucked us over so so so bad.
How? :(
You have to list reasons otherwise Sean will get arrested by Paul Dacre.
i played cat noises
I'm just interested as John from the Good Ship is a good guy and I've had no problems with him in the past.
John -> quite a tall guy, bigish?
That's probably someone else.
I've not played there for a couple of years but don't recollect John as being especially tall.
just bigger than me probably
Aye.
The location can be a bugger but John's a lovely guy and I've generally found it a pleasure playing there.
I'm currently in correspondence with John
It was Joe behind the bar, that was a wangsnail
I like the Good Ship.
?
If you're going to potentially libel yourself/ sean and smear the name of the venue by starting a thread on them, then you should probably give a little bit of detail to back up your assertion.
<stirs cauldron>
Put on 3 gigs there
and neevr found it anything less than excellent, and I had no complaints from any of the bands either. I am very much in support of The Good Ship.
I've never played there
but have friends who play there fairly regularly and love it. What happened?
theguywithnousername used to put on monthly gigs there, don't think he had any issues
i know other DiSers have put on gigs/played there and i've not heard any complaints
what's your gripe?
*guyhousername
I put on a show that had their lowest Saturday night attendance ever
and I'd still go back. Lovely people.
(They wouldn't have me, ofc. Quite rightly.)
Indeed - I struggled to make the economics work promoting there on a Tuesday night but certainly the venue were good, supportive people.
The size and shape of the venue can lead to sound issues and there was the odd occasion where I didn't rate the soundman on that night (though this was the exception rather than the norm) but they always played fair by us, it cost a reasonable price to book and I've good memories of the place.
Some of the best nights I've had over the last 5 years
have been when seeing friends' bands play The Good Ship..
Sound's always pretty good, the after-band DJ plays indie floor fillers and John's a really nice guy (QPR fan though...)
Yep, gonna have to give details, no doubt you've had a bad experience
They always seemed pretty needy and that but not exactly out to rob bands or owt. BASICALLY SPILL YOU GRIEVANCES IN PUBLIC
you haven't thought this through haev you?
SHOULD BE CALLED 'THE BAD SHIP'.
YEAH? AMIRITE?
The bad shits is what I call John and the tall guy
I think John and the tall guy was a film?
It was badly shit
perhaps you're just really short?
Played there once
Soundman was an utter clown. Seen some gigs there that were good.
The main black mark against it is that it's in fucking Kilburn.
slag off Kilburn again
I dare you
Soundman and black Mark are right shits too
Are you angry at the venue or the promoter?
They use a lot of independent promoters so it could just be the night was run by a cunt.
BAN REQUEST
screw you Masculinity
Yeah, we may be a bunch of nobodies.
but we're the best Bunch of nobodies you're likely to hear anytime soon.
I played there around 3 years ago, in a different band, we were given a crate of RedStripe. Thats fair enough.
Im angry at the Promoter/and the manager.
£20 - when we bought the majority of people, and put on a good show.. £20.. not much is it!? that wouldnt have even covered our travel. Let alone bought us a pint each.
*unlikely to hear
Soundcloud/bandcamp/hellevenamyspace link pls
played there years ago with action beat and ice sea dead people
strange, strange venue.
Can someone do a spoof with the story about not getting into the PJ Harvey gig?
Cheers.
Hi
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4307078#r6349256
That's all the encouragement I need
never going to The Good Ship again. Thanks for the heads up.
Cricket?
I've had all sorts of great times there on various occasions
saw CG attempt to smash a guitar, succeed in smashing cheapshop discman
played cat noise
drank lots of wine and [redacted]
was pleasantly surprised by hipster indie band of literal children playing amazing Lightning Bolt cover
XOYO on the other hand....
>___<#
I completely understand the hate here.
But I can't help but like it?
I mostly hate it because
my friend and I got not let in for no particular reason by bouncers acting like it was the ministry of sound not a sunday night hipster gig which also started like 30 min before advertised so even the people who were let in missed most of the headline act...
awful layout for both bands and club nights
shit, expensive drinks
mega sweaty
Unsolicitedly DJ'd The Gerogerigegege off my iphod
I wasn't quiiiite on the actual bill when i played noise with cat sounds either come to think of it
iphod!?
I assumed that was some kind of circuit-bent ipod that you noise-cats all have
Good name if Apple ever make a phone
Iplod
For long distance runners and coppers walking the beat
The Good Ship is good
it has a free jukebox with Sonic Youth on it, so you can impress strangers with your liking of Sonic Youth for literally no money.
I was in there about a year ago with my newborn son
and John lumbered over, grabbed the baby and just lobbed him out of the window. I haven't gone back since.
That's old John alright
Hate it when he does that
oh no not AGAIN
:D
I think this is in my top five favourite DiS posts ever
Nice bump
dinner table racism lol
One time i was there it was a bit on fire
It's the only place in London that has seperate toilets for black people.
Those are women.
Wo-men.
but they're wearing those african black dress things aren't they?
I thought it was bit off myself.
that's not all we need DRAMAZ
Shipwreck
(threadsmash)
Played there about six or seven times in my old band
A couple of times it was totally dead, a couple it was absolutely rammed, the rest above average London shows. Nearly always had a fun show there whatever though. Has a straightforward, honest and rewarding payment system for bands too.
One time the girl taking the tally on the door fucked up and we ended up not getting paid when by their system we should have been paid £25. I sent the owner an email saying I was a bit peeved at this and he more or less straight away sent me a sincere apology and a cheque for the money we were owed.
You need to explain what happened as this would certainly not be anywhere near my radar of venues to moan about in London!
They do, however, feed beefburgers to swans
stop being a prick tease you arsehole
Tell us what happened
why hasn't the OP explained?
not this
No i havent thought this through. But it doesnt mean i dont have a point.
I play in a 7 piece band. We travelled from various places in the UK to attend the gig.
After the soundcheck we went to the offie to get a few tins of beer.
Proceeded to drink them outside.
I walked in to the venue with beers in my hand. Promoter told me i shouldnt take them in, the venue doesnt like it.
I told him that i was going to walk outside, put them under my coat, then walk in.
I did just this, telling him as i walked in that i had my beers unbder my coat.
From the time the doors opened he was pestering me about the people i had said were coming. (one of whom was Titus Bramble)
We waiteduntill our time came to go on then started playing.
On our second song, all of the people who said they were coming turned up, 30+. Things were going awesomely, amonsgt the dancing and general horseplay, A monitor got knocked over.
the soundman came to the stage and plugged it back in. STANDARDPROCEDURE.
Also, during the set, the mic fell out of its stand, like, when it kinda droops down. you turn back to sing, and its not there. kinda funny.
So we played, the crowd wanted us to play one more. the soundman had said one more, but we played one anyway. (im sorry, but travelling from miles away for 30mins, sometimes seems a little short)
SO. we had played. and it was sweet. everyone enjoyed it, old men coming up to me saying we were the future, and how the lyrics were weird / funny. Im telliung you this so you can see that it wasnt just us/people who already knew the band having a good time.
After we played, we went outside for a smoke. the majority of people who came to see us wanted us to come out with them to New Cross. But we said NO, we have to stay and wait till the end, to make sure we dont get shafted. And also we like to watch the other bands.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We wait. Watch the last band, cheer for them to play one more.
We wait some more, all our stuff has been put in the car, we want to get s few quid and go.
Eventually, the promoter comes out of the door, pretending to be on his phone, he's my age(21), and this is a rookie tactic. we stop him in the door way, and ask him whats going on.
He goes on about how its not his responsibility to pay us. Itt's the managers.
(it is his responsibility, he booked us, sent us an email asking us to play, and has been our only point of contact up too the gig. Why when it comes to payment is it not his problem?)
SOOO. i say, lets go and speak to the manager, he tries to leave again. I put my hand on his chest, look him in the eye, and say 'Dont you fuck us, not tonight'
We're all obviously embarrased and angry at the way he's tried to shaft us. Normally when we get fucked, it's due to having to leave, whiule the promoter hides away somewhere/. or the promoter never turns up to the gig. Or you wait all night, and he's hidden.
So we walk him inside to see the manager. Who clearly wasnt expecting us to come back in.
y'see we along with many other bands are constantly fucked. But that night, it was done so lazily, that we werent having it.
The Manager, is smirking, saying how we're not getting paid because we bought our own beers in. The promoter is sttanding there, he knows we bought our own beers in, and didn't say anything aboyut it.
The manager then starts talking about all the equipment we've supposedly broken, including the headline bands drumkit?!
Luckily the sound guy is still there, so i call him over, and ask him if any of these things are actually broken..
Of course they're not.
I'm getting more and more agitated by the way the;re trying to fuck us. So say we're not leaving till they give us,.....
TWENTY POUNDS... thats all we asked for.
They're saying no still.
Im infuriated, you can see people at the bar looking awkward. They know we're being fucked, We know. And the Bar staff know they're fucking us.
The promoter just wants to leave, he looks terrified by this point.
They';re accusing us of assault, vandalisim.. anything to get us out.
?they say that they're going to call the police. Im like 'do it;'
I end up getting behind the bar. By this point i know were never playing there again/ and i want to grab everything. I DONT but i want tooo.
It looks like its going to turn nasty.
eventually, one of our drummers says 'lets just leave it'
And thats it, we've faltered, they know it, we've been arguing for nearly 30mins.
i get back behind the bar, shake the manager,promoter,bar staffs hand. Say thanks for letting us play, but this has been ridiculous.
Leave. Shed a tear outside.
Go up to every guy with a guitar i see, and ask them if they got paid tonight...
Everyone says NO
It's not about the money, but when people are literally bending you over and fucking you. It's terrible..
TLDR
BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE SAYING THIS ABOUT THE GOOD SHIP. YOU'RE WRONG
i am not wrong
This was a joke, before I actually read the post.
I know nothing about The Good Ship. Having read it though, you ARE wrong.
Damn it
So. We telll our manager what happened. He says he'll get on to them.
He calls them for 3 days in a row.
no reply.
Then he receives this email:
This from the guy in charge of the night -
They took the absolute piss. They brought a ridiculous amount of their own alcohol into the venue, I suggested they drink it round the side of the venue as a compromise but after being caught again inside they continued to do so. They said that they can't afford to buy drinks at the bar and usually they get complimentary drinks from the venues they play at, however this is not how we operate, instead we generously pay the bands the door money as opposed to chucking them a few beers and a couple of quid which we feel is a far more generous policy. To make this worse they actually denied having any alcohol with them after just asking at the bar to have back their confiscated cans as well as drinking through the set on stage from their own cans.
On top of that they were very disrespectful to the headline act Peerless Pirates who offered to lend them their drum kit, in which they took no care in looking after and gave their skins a beating (it actually seems that they had been playing with broken sticks as the skins were pretty much destroyed). PP were not happy with this of course and Dingus Khan and their party didn't stick around to watch PP leaving them playing to a fairly empty room. I gave PP £20 to get some new skins. It wasn't just the drums they didn't look after, they also disrespected us a a venue by kicking the stage monitor off the carton it was sitting on and throwing around mics/stands. Actually on two occasions fully dropping the mics onto the floor.
To top it off, the band were extremely rude when asking why they weren't getting any money, myself and my colleague were considering a compromise until 2 of them got quite abusive, getting up in myself and my colleagues face, threatening to go steal what they were owed, in which one of them then stormed behind the bar and attempted to open the fridge and stood behind the bar and refusing to leave. It was only until we were about to call the police they had a slight panic and finally decided to scuffle out of the venue, and upon the venue they actively removed our property from our entrance hall and throw it down the street.
Not only did they threaten the venue and its equipment they actively threatened and also laid hands on staff, all of this is recorded on CCTV and this blatant lack of decorum when talking to the Manager of the venue obviously escalated the situation almost to the conflict on the bands behalf, the Manager of the venue does not tollerate this behaviour from anyone let alone customers or act, the small band circuit relies on mutual hard work from venues and bands in order to survive such behaviour undermines everything that we as a venue aim to work towards.
And this from the manager of the venue -
Its the first time in our history that I've told the staff to withhold payment and we paid Peerless Pirates money to go towards new drum skins. We're not against youthful vigour, in fact I encourage it, but a complete lack of respect of the venue, its facilities and staff and another band's kit is diabolical.
We do not take any door money here, we pay 100% of it to the sound engineer and bands so we rely on people in the bar actually buying a drink, else we are essentially being a charity. If bands are rude enough to bring their own drink in that is one thing but to then flout the drinking of it on stage when they have been told basically encourages their audience to do the same and we found a couple of vodka bottles where some of the girls who were there to see them were sat.
So, in my opinion Phil they really only have themselves to blame.
cheers
John
The majority of the above text is lies.
FUCking terrible :-(
You just said that you put a hand on the promotor, went behind the bar, brought in your own booze after they asked you not to.
I'm not in a band, but isn't that all a bit off?
also, from what you've said, the promoter was right about saying that you needed to speak to the manager,
so you had a needless go at him.
put a hand on his chest. Not a push, Just a 'Stop'.
then walked him, with my hand placed delicately on his lower back. To the bar.
We we told we shouldnt take beers in. But were not stopped from doing so, even though the promoter was told, as it happened.. that it was happening. does that make sense?
wnet behind the bar. Yeah.
I consumed 2 cans of Holsten Pils inside the venue. thats hardly a ridiculous amount.
HAMMERTIME
Lower back my friend.
Delicate. Sensual. Tender.
Members of Cementimental have been known to go behind a bar WHILE PLAYING and pour people drinks
with impunity.
AND touch the venue owners' mums inappropriately
also with impunity.
you need to improve your technique!
hate to break it to you but you being told twice not to bring beers in WAS you being stopped from doing so
but you did anyway HENCE THE DRAMAZ
No it isnt.
If i'd have known it would compromise everything i definately wouldnt have done it.
Bands - do you or do you not normally bring drinks, stash them with yourstuff/backstage?
At the goodship, there is an upstairs bit, where it would seem more than ok to keep things safe. Equipment and stuff.
We went upstairs to check our stuff. All of our bags were open, pedal bags, guitar shit..
turns out they had been through all our stuff looking for KONTRABAND. and confiscated it.
SO in fact the rest of the band didnt get to drink their beers.
I tend to ask nicely if it's ok and not do it if it's not
or just buy the same brands that they have bottles/cans of behind the bar ^__^
^ i mean buy in the offlicence the same they have behind the bar
actually in the Good Ship
I tend(ed) to buy one or more bottles of wine at the bar and get super wrecked
But all the stuff YOU admitted in your account of events is WORSE than what they're accusing you of :D
and it's basically the promoter not the venue you have beefs with!
there's going to be a lot of people making fun of you in this thread I'm afraid
but honestly, it sounds like you reacted badly to what sounds like a not unreasonable situation.
Also.
'To make this worse they actually denied having any alcohol with them after just asking at the bar to have back their confiscated cans'
.. because you had them you fricking genius
are you actually saying they were wrong to accuse you of having drinks because they had already confiscated them?
I applaud your lateral thinking
exactly that
Apart from the flaunting of beers, you were probably right
Ive got alot of sympathy. Shouldve thrown a few punches you'd have soon got your money. Everyone assumes indie bands / small bands are so desperate to play theyll take a fucking, its not true - shouldve taken a load of spirits in lieu and let the manager deal with it. I know a few bands who would have given the promoter a fucking kicking, and if he'd dragged you across the country itd be deserved in 99% of other professions.
Thrown punches?
JFC! What are you on about?
I'd have given them a Columbian neckscarf
I dont know if you've been in a band mousee, so feel free to contradict me
(and Im not big enough to get aggressive myself as Scout will tell you) but I have a great example a few days apart why this is acceptable. When we played at the deaf institute it was during glastonbury, few people showed - the promoters werent there. Shit. We thought we werent gettign paid - the promoters had put an envelope with someone and each band got given the money (the promoters must have lost £250). That was amazing. A few nights later in London we were offered £200 - fantastic. Easily enough people through the door to pay us. Gets to the end of the night, offered £50 or something ridiculous, heated words (my trainfare alone was £55), got aggressive, bouncers threw us out. I dont eat for a week.
what is hitting them going to achieve?
Get them their money
Not in the band I was in recently but we were offered £10 (TEN POUNDS) for playing in fucking Bradford when we were about 16. Decent crowd but our bassist couldnt make it (mum wouldnt let him go!) so we got the drummers cousin who went apeshit at the promoter when he said we werent getting paid. Ended up with the money. Same guy did it in Leicester too and we got paid. Obviously it could all backfire, but whatever (this is not the usual course of action in work, but then again offering someone money to do something and then going back on it isnt, either)
this
thats what it comes down too.
You love doing it.
But you need money to get to gigs, buy beer, eat.
Sucks Dogs Dick.
Exactly
Especially in LDN.
People think they're treating you by letting you play. BS.
We left at 3:30pm to get there.
didnt leave until just after 12:30.
How many hours is that? 9?
£20 between 7 = £2.85714286
im shit at maths.
To work out what we get payed an hour would be.
£2.85714286 divided by 9 = 0.317460318
So 0.317460318p is what i get payed an hour.
Suck me
If you joined a band to get paid by the hour
then you might be the stupidest person in the world.
I know.
Ive been doing this for years man.
And its not about the money. Not at all.
.. im just sezzzin.
'It was only until we were about to call the police they had a slight panic and finally decided to scuffle out of the venue'
Bullshit. We wanted the police there. they were just pussies and were too scared to call them.
'and upon the venue they actively removed our property from our entrance hall and throw it down the street.'
This is also false.
After we played, i made my way out of the venue, missed a step, and knocked over the advertisement board. I apologized & picked it up immediately.
so.. it did happen. But not like that. LIEs i tell you LLLIEIESS
to be honest...
.....it sounds like you were being a prat and didn't derserve to get paid.
I'm sorry, I got as far as Titus Bramble and had to stop
good luck with everything
:'D
Titus Bramble was on the guest list
have to put at least one ridiculous name
Do you?
Why?
I think its funny.
Sorry
everyone else does too
but not in the same way :(
My main beef is that it's too self-consciously zany a choice
He should have gone for a Branko Strupar or someone
(How many indie points does this get me btw?)
fuck off.`
Bramble was clearly not coming due to rape/drug/whatever
Thats what funny?.. oh
This will go well.
Titus Bramble!?
:'D
TBF, you sound a bit mental.
I'm not mental.
Just dont appreciate being fucked over.
I have value in what we do, is that a crime.
And again £20 isnt exactly loads is it?
Thing is though
that even if, in fact ESPECIALLY if, you're in the right, you're screwed the minute you raise your voice, swear and lay so much as a delicate solitary finger on someone. Sounds quite likely to me that the promoter and manager were being cunts, but you've done yourself over. Best to just let it go now.
Jesus Masculinity!
I thought we shoudve got £70 in fairness.
£45 wouldve been fair. The majority of people came to see us.
£20 was a joke.
If you were there, you wouldve seen that although extremely pissed off. This was all done with a sense of humour.
They just weren't having any of it.
If you laid hands on someone, you're fucked
and it's your fault.
*Phil Etheridge
Really not the point here but bands that decide to play encores when they've been told there's no time for an encore are utter selfish cunts.
Both as a promoter and in a band I've had nights where the last band ends up on stupidly late or our setlist gets squeezed 'cos Ego McCuntface who was on 90 minutes earlier has taken 17 years to set up and then decided their handful of fans 'deserve' to hear three extra songs beyond the time they've been given. It shows no respect at all for other bands on the bill.
^So so so so this
Good point guyhousername
I stopped at Titus Bramble
HA!
I wish I had been there
No offence.
By the way, you haven't got any spare beers knocking about have ya
nice pub opposite
You sound like you're in Viva Brother.
Are you in Viva Brother?
Sweet Gorilla?
i dont know who Viva Brother are
fix thread
Hmmm, it sounds like you behaved in a a pretty confrontational and aggressive manner when seeking your payment, which will have coloured their views of the events that went on onstage and before the gig. If you knew that their preferred method was cash but no free drinks or a rider, then you should have been respectful of this and not repeatedly taken the piss. As for going behind the bar to help yourself- who the fuck do you think you are?
I think you're lucky not to have spent a night in the cells to be honest.
A big pile of ^this
You sound like a giant helmet I'm afraid
Did not know their preferred method.
I do this for the fun.
I like to have a drink, but can;t afford to buy a pint of Lager (which i would never normally buy) for £3:70 or whatever you lot play in the BIG CITy.
Rider?! I don't think they're real.
Yes confrontational. Aggressive, arguable. Voices were raised. And there was a bar between us.
Repeatedly taken the piss?
Wouldve taken the night in the cells if it came to it.
ROCK AND ROLL
wasis.
I'm nearly crying at my desk.
TITUS BRAMBLE!! :'D
Can I have a summary? I can't be bothered to read all that.
All you need to know
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4307078#r6346960
Not this
Kinda of thAT maybe
OP acted like a spoiled brat from the outset, has beefs with the (probably also a moron by the sound of it) promoter NOT the venue itself, then assaults the venue staff
then whines about it on the internets :3
not this
guy in a band thinks he's mick jagger, misbehaves, doesn't get paid for gig, has a little cry about it on the internet
The internet is not sympathetic.
Also- TITUS BRAMBLE.
Guy in a band acts like a twat
Throws toys out of pram when faced with the consequences.
nah m8
internet posters humorously abbreviate situation
Titus Bramble goes to gig in Kilburn
...other less important stuff happens.
Yeah basically what everyone else said:
Guy turns up to play gig dressed as Hitler, refuses to do anything on stage except inject heroine, murders the venue's house cat, sets fire to the promoter's pubes, then guns him down, along with the venue manager, all the staff and the audience as they try to run away. Doesn't even stay to watch the next band.
Then wonders why he doesn't get paid
Titus Bramble tried to have sex with drum skins
and then dealt drugs to the crowd on the cheap, meaning they made nothing behind the bar.
If only
band travelled from all areas
of country, played live broke the other bands kit, bought their own booze to the venue, headbutted a few bar staff and wanted to get paid. above band member is now complaining of ill treatment.
when you read the summaries back, it reads as if the OP be trollin' hard
But I'm fairly sure he's a well known DiSer, is he not? Hmm, something's not right.
Not that well known
Been here and around for a while though
Review of band in question;
http://www.indiemusicreviewer.com/dingus-khan-%E2%80%93-live-show-review-at-the-bull-gate-kentish-town-london/
Sounds like they are pretty raucous. While this can be entertaining for the audience sometimes, it's usually a massive pain in the arse for other bands on the bill and the venue.
LAD
Not my words. A lads band, in the sense that we are all young men.
I dont know what Heroin-chic means.
there isnt a guy whose role it is to pour beer into peoples mouths.
Someone bought us a bottle of Champagne whilst we were playing, we were amazed, and celebrated by drinking it. Nowt wrong with that.
did you smuggle the champagne in?
there's a fine line certainly
Afro Thunder from Ready to Rumble plays for them?
It was Wave Pictures that pulled out
not Wave Patterns
Sounds like you and your band were acting like total bellends.
Wrecking another bands skins by playing with broken sticks, assaulting staff, bringing alcohol into a pub (imagine them being annoyed at that?!!!11).
I hope they press charges and all of you are imprisoned for the rest of your lives.
Thread self-righteousness rating:
9.6
This'll make the year-end lists, no problem!
self-wrongeousness rating:
OVER 9000
sub-thread for the promoters/former promoters:
what's the best/worst guestlist request you've had? someone once asked for Sarah Palin to go on his. she didn't show up.
your username is a bit like Good Ship.
What're your thoughts on the events?
i like stories
once I was DJing there with some cdrs but only one of the decks appeared to like cdrs so I had to DJ off my iPod and one cdr and oh man were the levels different.
I hope that you hit the manager and stole some vodka in order to sort things out.
this
happened when i DJ'd (on new year's eve, of all nights) at The Windmill and only one of the CD players liked CDRs so i ended up having to half DJ from my CDs (ALL CDRS) and the other half from Tim's, but that's OK cos we went from Toto to Arrested Development when the bell's struck. ding dong.
Certain legend of UK noise brought his whole squat with him, they sat on the front step drinking special brew much to the owner's displeasure until we caved and let them in
and they all came in and slept thru the whole gig. :3
New Developments
Hi Ben,
as I've said to Nick and Tom, I'll defend the band to the hilt. The drum kit stuff is rubbish and Nick messaged PP on FB and thanked them for the use of stuff, and they didn't say anything about "you fucked our kit up". Also it's about rock 'n roll. What the fuck has happened to music? Do we actually live in frigging Coldplay world where everyone stands around on stage? I thought venues were about exciting edgy music. Still we can say you're banned from there. I will get back to them and state our case. It won't get us the money but they need to know we won't take it.
The cans of drink is another issue though. Both the Buffalo Bar and the Norwich Arts Centre girl said it was out of order to bring cans in to a venue. They make their money obviously, from bar takings. If they see the band with at least a four pack each, and there's seven of you, well you can work out the sums on that, and how much they think they're losing. We have to find a sneakier way of getting it in to the venue and getting it in to glasses, so they don't know.
The recording on the 20th is off. Slack Space top dogs are getting funny about extra curricular activities, mainly anything Tom Hardy and I are doing. So Tom is going to record the Later set on the 5th. I hope that's ok with you?
Your bag is at the Good Ship and I have asked them to keep it safe, and that someone will collect it. Can you get someone to pop over and get it? The place opens at 5pm so anytime after that. I would get it picked up sooner raher than later.
Speak soon
Phil
We have to find a sneakier way of getting it in to the venue and getting it in to glasses, so they don't know.
stay classy, internet warrior
Give us a break
Everyone does that.
No they honestly don't
Yeah I was gonna say you should ask the other band about the drum kit and stuff.
Do it.
Slack Space Top Dog
'extra curricular activities'.
heroin.
It's difficult to tell, here
To me there's definitely bellendry going on from both sides. It's silly for them to blame you guys for audience members bringing in vodka though.
I know, also..
'we found a couple of vodka bottles where some of the girls who were there to see them were sat.'
No-one sits at our gigs. Unless it's on Father xmas's lap.
and im father xmas
A similar thing happened to a band I played in once
(though not at the Good Ship)
Except we didn't bring anyone in and we demanded £200
and we got it
you lose
You cannot be SRS?!
totally srs
The only problem i've had (and we played a few times when we first started))
Was problems with my electric violin, but I think there was actually something wrong with my violin and they were patient and helped as much as they could.
THANKS FOR A GREAT THREAD
hmmmmm
http://www.mintmagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/dawson-crying1.jpg
no, no
http://youtu.be/u9FSjyaityE
you need the slow-mo video.
Literally bending you over and fucking you
Conclusion: Promoters, never book Mick's band
they'll assault you, break your gear and then bad mouth you on a music forum
Also pretty sure your manager won't be happy about this now being public knowledge
it's definitely going to make it trickier to sneak cans of beer in
Mickyleaks
You're probably right Duck
He told us not to say anything.
but... good thread?
bad
thread
Definately book my band
This is the first time i've ever moaned about a venue/promoter.
Dont intend to do it again.
ooohhhhh!!
cat race has gone from awesome to mean in seconds.
Good Ship replies
oh balls, I have to leave the house in 5 minutes to run the gig tonight so this is brief. This is difficult as I am trying to be reasonable with both the manager and Micky Squalor as they are speaking to me directly. Micky did spray a load of vitriol over our facebook page about 2 hours ago and I asked him to calm down and speak to me reasonably if he wanted a reasonable response back. Now that everything I am writing to someone privately is being written all over DiS I dunno whether to continue being reasonable or get all FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT for everyone's entertainment. I'll reply properly later. Must say love The Coldplay world reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TwLOOFvzS4
I think you should give them £20
in 2p coins
scattered over 1000 inner London locations
with a clue to there whereabouts as a post a day in this thread for the next approx 3 years
that'll teach you BOTH a lesson
didnt mean to this this
i meant to this stone cold
these are the kind of mistakes that cost you in this business
:D
Sorry for Pasting what you wrote on here John
I'm aware that the £20 is a definite no.
and that we'll not be playing at the GoodShip again.
I just knew this would spark conversation & opinion.
I'd like to vote for FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Cheers.
sub-sub thread
Bands playing door-deal random lineup toilet venue shows who have managers - pretty funny?
"taking it to the next level" etc
almost always because
the band's been duped into taking someone on, in all fairness.
LIKE A HEAVY PARAMORE!
hey
it takes a lot to organise 7 'musicians' to be in the same place at the same time
We're a good band man.
You'll seeee....
..you'llll seeeeeee
http://www.m0ar.org/4872
No
Hundreds.
the majority Yes.
Maybe you should try
being a better band
V.Funny ANDY VINE, if i recall, you are a promoter too.
And if i recall correctly.
You booked a band called ELFRED & THE UBER PEAS.
We played a show for you at the CAMDEN ENTERPRISE
Did we get paid?
... HELL NO
shame on you vine. shame on you.
this was about 2/3 years ago
yeah, thought as much
To be fair bit of pwnage right there
of Andyvine
every single person involved in any way with music is a cunt
and every single thing anyone with any involvement in music says is more and more proof of this.
except Andrew Ferris, Jetplane Landing frontman
Promoters - probably don't book this clownshoe
This is a great thread
You're all being a bit of a dick to Mick_Squalor so I'm on his side.
He tried to be a rock n roll maverick and it backfired.
I think I'd be pissed off in his situation too.
Cheers guys
Oddly, this is the london venue I've always found to fairest with payment...
Don't they still pay you £5 per person who sees you once they've made £35 costs or something? I've certainly played average gigs there and walked away with a couple of hundred unexpected pounds. THAT SAID- they also once threw me out for drinking my own whiskey while sitting at the bar... I explained I thought the venue was closed so the rules no longer applied, the nice lasy let me finish my drink before I left.
Maybe it is just you? - do you have 'one of those faces?!' - i know someone with one of those and he is always the victim of bar-based injustice.
hmmm...
Either way, best of luck with your pop group.
Thanks MrBones
I think i do have 'one of those faces yeah'.
In fact i'm certain of it.
Thread of the year.
So glad I wasn't in office while reading the summaries. Thumping my fist with delight here.
Btw I sympathise with Mick.
Stop being dicks, acting like you've never been slightly petulant in the face of a frustrating situation before. I know you're not all Cliff Richard.
the highest of fives
can't be bothered to comment on anything else
but why does the majority in this thread seem to think that it's right for the venue to expect ot make a profit from the band buying drinks?
'They make their money obviously, from bar takings. If they see the band with at least a four pack each, and there's seven of you, well you can work out the sums on that, and how much they think they're losing' (i know this wasn't written by anyone in this thread) bugt the band aren't the customers, the punters are
I think it's fair enough for that to be their policy
but I'm not sure it's right for them to kick up quite so big a fuss when it gets broken.
Excactly.
The manager said we should have been buying drinks in the venue.
& i said to him, if we wanted to have a couple of pints, we'd be losing even more money.
He smiled and said something like 'thats the point'
Knowing fully well, that £20 wouldn't get us a round anyway.
He wanted us to pay ourselves if that makes any sense/
We give them the money, then they (maybe) give it back.
Provided you don't assault the staff/break the other bands gear.
so sad right now
You wouldn't be losing money - you'd be buying drinks.
true
One day, someone showed me a glass of water that was half full. And he said, "Is it half full or half empty?" So I drank the water. No more problem.
- Alejandro Jodorowsky
I don't think venues should expect to make a profit from bands buying drinks
but I think it's reasonable to expect that, if the band do choose to drink in the venue, they should buy drink from a venue. They're in a pub - that's what you do in a pub. Generally venues (and especially venues like the Good Ship that try to put on bands on merit and take risks with bands/promoters they like rather than just who'll get 30 people each through the door) don't do particularly good business by putting bands on - I've certainly seen nights in venues like the Good Ship where if the bands weren't buying alcohol nobody would be as there's no actual audience. In a lot of venues I don't think putting bands on significantly increases (and possibly even decreases) custom. I genuinely find it bizarre the original poster assumes openly bringing your own alcohol into a venue would be okay.
Moreover I don't really understand why bands have this shock-horror reaction to the fact they're losing money. It's a hobby and most hobbies cost money. If you're doing a gig that costs x amount to get to that's your decision - nobody's put a gun to your head and told you that you must play. And if you want to drink x amount of alcohol that's your decision too. It's an amount of money you've taken the decision to spend in the course of pursuing your hobby.
Being paid, being given food, having travel covered and being bought beers are all nice things and I'm delighted when they happen but they're not basic rights or entitlements.
What if there is a band out there so awesome that it would blow our minds, cream our pants, kiss our dads..
But they can't afford the petrol to get to the gig?
I believe that bands should be payed, even if it's just a tenner.
You provide a service.
Yes, it is a hobby. The 30mins you're up there playing is the hobby. The waiting around isn't.
People share equipment. Travel from across the UK to come and play. The bands aren't at fault here. They/we are what make nights happen.
People should be paid for providing a service, it's not like we were begging to come and play, we were asked. So part of you expects something towards it.
Bands that are that awesome/mindblowing tend to get paid for their gigs
Unless they're useless at organizing themselves, that is. In which case it's their own fault people don't realise how great they are.
Regardless, if you book a gig, particularly if you're going to great lengths to play it, you should probably find out beforehand what the venues policies are with payment and what you are and aren't allowed to do on the night.
Because venues making their cut off the drinks budget is how it SHOULD work.
That's how the bands, sound engineer and promoter should be able to get all their money out of the door.
The times bands really lose out is when the pub also charges for hiring the venue room so it's getting double takings. But then that's what happens when too many self-righteous types decide that bringing their own alcohol in is really cool.
is this non BYO booze a london thing?
i never once had an issue bringing a bottle of wine into a venue (although it was usually during soundchecks)
It would depend entirely on the venue.
If a venue is fine to let a band bring their own rider in then I don't see a problem with that but I wouldn't assume it was an okay thing.
My point is that to act like it's a terrible thing is a little naive and shows a lack of understanding of how the whole gig world tends to work.
Such rules may be more prevalent in London where most pubs have to sell beers at close to £4 to cover costs and are right next door to a huge number of offies with 6 cans for £5 type offers.
More so in LDN yeah
No where else minds reallllly.
Or, at least, they understand why, and turn a blind eye.
re-read that theo
i said they shouldn't be expecting to make a profit from the band buying drinks. OF COURSE they should expect to make a profit from the audience, especially if you're a great place like the good ship that is fair to bands and pay them the takings on the door.
I don't have an issue with them expecting the band to buy drinks either.
Are musicians killing music?
Don't think so.
Hope not anyways.
You are very, very wrong.
Cheers.
Me?
I disagree.
Cheers?
*lifts sneakily lifts smuggled tin of beer, and pours poorly into 'glass of water please' pint glass*
take out first
lifts
I don't know who you are, micky squalor
but I don't really like you.
oh.
genuinely saddened by that.
Sorry Teeej.
if it's any consolation, I do like you and I think plenty of this people on this thread do too
even if they don't quite see eye to eye with you on this one. I would possibly come and see your band just out of curiosity now.
Thank you.
can't wait to see you all.
good thread
my thoughts:
1) it all comes down to what the other band think about their drum kit, if thats where your payment went then fair enough. If they havent mentioned it it doesnt mean they werent annoyed about it
2) think a reasonable venue would allow own drinks given most bands make a loss being there, but only in a back stage area
3) probably should never get up in peoples faces and touch them in situations like this, instantly forfeit
1. I'm pretty sure the other band don't think we ruined their drumkit.
2. Totally agree. It seems to be standard procedure everywhere else.
Also, minor detail, we're talking about 2 cans of beer here. Which i consumed. The rest of the band had theirs confiscated.
3. Correct. Unfortunately. They were saying assault as soon as i walked in the bar with the promoter.
I'd like to weigh in for a second...
...and say that John at The Good Ship is easily, easily the best promoter I have ever played for. Easily. He is an absolute delight.
If you're taking issue with the folk at The Good Ship then I hope to fuck that you don't have any dealings with most of the other promoters in London. Most London promoters at your level are abhorrent. It's one of the things you have to deal with. Carry on like this, and you and your attitude will land you in a fuckload of trouble.
I really must put on more jazz fusion nights.
Noone wanted to fight us and our equipment was as it was at the start of the night. Wonderful.
Right, I blame the manager, he models himself on Alex Ferguson meets Alan McGee meets Fagin. I am grateful to Micky Squalor for posting his piece up, its absolutely priceless.
My colleague who ran the door on the night rang me up to say that this band had thrashed the drum kit of the headline band and that they had brought their own beers in despite being told twice it were not allowed and asked if he could give the headliner some money from the profit on the door from Dingus Khan as he felt so bad about their kit. He was affronted by them and suggested we didn't pay them anything and I agreed with that.
The band manager suggests the drum kit stuff is rubbish, how he would know not having been there on the night I do not know. I spoke to the engineer on the night and he said there were 4 cm dents all along the drumkit and the skins and the drummer of the headliner was mighty pissed off with the way his kit was left. The headliners have indeed confirmed with me that indeed one of the skins on the toms had been "smacked to bits."
There are all sorts of innaccuracies in here and I have to pull up some of the most glaring ones. Dingus Khan did not provide the majority of the audience as suggested and it ceratinly was not 30+. There were 21, 18 of whom were on a cheap list amongst a total audience of 73. Nevertheless they would have made £44 ordinarily. He also implies that noone else on the night got paid which is complete nonsense. Every time we run an inhouse run show we pay every band 100% of what came in at the door for them beyond £25.
There is no way whatsoever that my chap on the door would have tolerated them bringing their beers in hidden, it is just nonsense. At best he felt a bit threatened.
My favourite bit of this thread is when Cementimental says hate to break it to you but you being told twice not to bring beers in WAS you being stopped from doing so but you did anyway HENCE THE DRAMAZ and Micky Squalor answers No it isnt. If i'd have known it would compromise everything i definitely wouldn't have done it.
I just knew this would spark conversation & opinion. You just cannot argue with that level of logic.
I have had plenty of bands bring in their own beers before. I don't like it for obvious reasons, it is taking the piss but only once in the past have I penalised a band for it. I took £10 off their door and drunk it at the Colin Campbell across the road. Blatant disregard for another band's equipment, being a lot less than careful with ours and acting like wankers to my lovely staff however makes me really mad so they can fecking feck off.
Dear John
The manager is not the problem. (Although he does look slightly like Alan McGee)
The headline band has not mentioned anything of the sort to us. Neither at the time, nor afterwards. We are still waiting to clear this up.
When was it decided that we were not being paid?
If we were not going to be paid, why were we not told this straight? Instead of us being told 'its not my problem'.
We were then left to question your staff, one of whom seemed to be enjoying the whole experience. Which was unsavory for everyone concerned. People still drinking at the bar looked embarrassed, and i don't think it was because we were causing a scene. I think it was painful to watch us trying to force blood from a stone.
Tom Cater knew that we were bringing beers in, Fact.
I told him i was doing so, and i did as i said.
You can check the CCTV cameras in your hallway.
He told me to keep them hidden, then, clearly when i was next outside, told the bar staff. Who then went through our bags. And removed them.
I was the only one who didnt have beers taken from me.
And so, was the only one breaking the rules.
Two cans of Beer is what we're talking about here.
If he felt threatened he could've asked for assistance. I doubt he did, as i like to think that we are a bunch of rather amiable guys.
I believe it was then decided that we would not be paid.
'I just knew this would spark conversation & opinion' - There i am talking about why copied your email into the thread. To give it two sides, otherwise it would've just been me rambling on about the whole affair.
John, you weren't there. But i wish you were. You seem like a level headed guy, and have a lot of people speaking highly of you on here. Had you have been there, I doubt that it would've turned out the way it did.
21 not 30+. Sorry.
Are the Microphones and Monitors broken?
a bunch of rather amiable guys
Rejected Village People band name
i think the main thing you should take away from this is
not a lot of good can come from being so reactionary in public like this. even if you were shafted 10x worse, there's still no excuse for having an epic fit over it.
On that note...
http://songbytoad.com/2011/07/a-few-reasons-promoters-and-bands-dont-get-along/
And this wot I wrote jagjagag
http://musicgob.tumblr.com/post/7191784916/the-ten-sins-of-an-unsigned-band
biggest issue for me is the alleged drum kit fuckery
some bands are pussies and won't say anything if someone fucks up their kit. Our drummer would and very almost has ripped the arms of people who have fucked with his kit, though more often than not people have the common decency to offer to pay for new skins/hardware before anyone gets hurt.
Anyway good thread! I've never been to the Good Ship, probably will never play there as we're a bunch of fucking divas when it comes to stage size/sound and we've heard mixed things on both, but I would go there if there was anyone i wanted to see! This thread if anything makes me want to go to the Good Ship more.
I don't mean to be a wanker.
But we were told to bring drum hardware & breakables.
Now, to me drum hardware and breakables are:
Cymbals
Sticks
Snare
Bass drum Pedal
The drummer from the headline band was at first refusing to let us use his snare stand, which would've meant.. no snare
,.He let us use it. Thank you guy.
Our main drummer only uses the floor tom, so asked if he should remove the other toms from the kit, naturally he would replace them. The guy said no.
We asked the guy as he was leaving if his drums were fucked. He said no. Granted he may have felt 'intimidated' cos we were worked up.To be honest he probably just wanted to leave.
Although, he was bigger than any one in our band, and could've beaten us down if he wanted too.
.. he was wearing mascara though.
yeah breakables as standard
though hardware I do count as "the metal bits which hold up the drums", haha, though in all my years of gigging we've never been told to bring our own hardware if we're sharing the backline. Saying that the last 4 years my drummer has brought his own kit to pretty much every gig and has no problem lending it out as long as people don't be silly with it.
ANYWAY this Peerless Pirate guy should have said something at the time, I don't understand why he didn't is my main point.
Exactly.
We have no problem with letting people use our stuff.
We shared at the GoodShip as we have done and intend to do.
I have no idea why he didn't either.
I still don't believe we did, i think he's just being a bit of a precious pansy, and moaning because someone actually played them with an iota of feeling.
Kicking a dog
This thread just gives and gives.
Maybe it was Titus Bramble having a practice.
Im sorry Barry.
but why didn't you say something at the time?
We bought more than a dozen people.
I guess our band are just a bunch of wankers.
And the people who like us are absolute scumbags.
RE: Jamaican Woodbine - Yes, we all were.
I think the 'Kicking a dog' is the funniest thing yet.
Although i did not see it, i certainly don't approve
We bought more than a dozen people
Not only do you kick dogs, you're also actively involved in the slave trade?!
Your band makes me sick.
Our songs were utter pish!?
HA!
Righto, lets get another gig together then Barry Boy.
And i swear to God we'll blow your ship out of the water.
I was the guy cheering for you to play one more at the end, we made eye contact and you smiled.
Man up, or give up chum.
ALSO if you're in a pirate based band, make more effort than just dressing in black. Where are the accents, eye patches and pirate based jokes?
More effort needed. Take a leaf out of our local pirate based bands book.
EAST TOWN PIRATES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTcZq0Z6dBY
AARRRRRRR!!!!
I was the guy cheering for you to play one more at the end, we made eye contact and you smiled.
:')
So true.
The way that people said we fucked off is just lies.
I stayed till the end, and had a conversation with the guitar player about his homemade stomp boxes.
jesus, i don't see how BarryPP would've ever found out about this thread (clearly someone called for backup), & i think it's lame how both John & Barry have just left after posting a couple of times, instead of working with all of us to make this thread even more ridiculous.
Mick, I don't think that's actually Ba......never mind, continue.....
ooohhh.... i... damn it!
Well played whoever that was.
I called him a mascara wearing prong.
i really am a wanker
Roger!
I received a PM from the real BARRY
Dude, This is Baz from the Pirates. You need to know i didn't write tht shit and i am really not impressed with what you wrote back.
If you have any conscience you will write a new post fully exhonerating me and setting straight that i have been in contact with both you and Nic and you are now happy that whoever wrote the post was not me.
I hope we do get to do another Gig together!!!!!
Baz! Pirate
Nice Chap. Fair Enough.
Somebody in this band was seen kicking a dog.
Fuck off Barry.
Which women did we slap?
give him his money barry you cunt
Yeah Barry
you mascara wearing prong.
I'm serious about the gig by the way Barry.
barry is a fucking momo i've had it up to here with him
Fuck Barry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZ3Cvekt14
Yeah Barry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8x3NXOYMCw
OK thats enough.....i was almost thinking of adding a bit of support
by mentioning how promoter/managers have tried to avoid paying me..........but Im a Barry too.......leave us alone.
kicking a dog :'D
Everyone realises who this is, right?
KiK, right?
Reads like his work.
i don't
But deadonthestairs is my bet
This is Barry from the Peerless Pirates!
I have no clue who is pretending to be me but this is NOT!
I had no issues from the Gig at the Good Ship! A skin on my kit did get damaged but that is life when lending your kit to other bands!Whoever wrote this stuff is just trying to annoy people for no reason, oh and by the way, its eyeliner not mascara! lol We are in a band because we love live music and performing for an audience. I have no problems with any band from the night especially Dingus Kahn!
I am not even sure why someone would write that utter shit! I spoke with the members of Dingus Kahn after the gig inside and outside the venue and have been in touch with the drummer on facebook, I am confused!
Thanks
Barry Short - Peerless Pirates Drummer OFFICIAL!P)
someone call the internet fraud office
great thread
i actually live 30 seconds walk from the good ship and i've always had fun there, it's a very well run place. and their rules for paying bands door money is very fair.
when you're in a band, especially when playing in a small venue like the good ship, then IF YOU'RE LUCKY you either get paid in booze or money or a combination of the two when gigging.
to me, it sounds like they were justified in not giving you any money.
you being in a band makes NO DIFFERENCE to the rule that you can't bring booze in from outside.
you have NO RIGHT to break the rules just because you're performing, so don't be a childish wanker about the fact that beer is expensive.
did you spend time and money coming to london to drink or to play a gig ?
i actually think that more venues should pay bands in money instead of beer. if bands want to spend money on beer then that's their own choice. money for food and petrol = yes. beer ? you don't need beer to play a gig.
oh, but you do need beer to play a gig.
no, i get you man.
'if you're lucky' is a bit lame. But it's the way it goes.
It's not like i don't already know the way it works. I've been doing it for years & i'm only 21. I may well look back at myself, and think 'aww gawd, what a bozo'. But at the moment i'm young and full of fire (gizz). So .. hmmnn
I played there 3 years ago and we got a crate of beer.
i like beer. gimmie beer.
i should go to bed really/
##..I spent time and money to play the gig.
Hope we don't get blacklisted as a BAD BAND who come to the big city, and rape and pilllage.
'We want to be free! We want to be free to do what we want to do! We want to be free to ride. And we want to be free to ride our machines without being hassled by The Man. And we want to get loaded. And we want to have a good time! And that’s what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna have a good time. We’re gonna have a party!'
It's spelt 'jizz'
I hope if anything, this has given people an insight to what in bands/promoters/venue guys/punters put each other through.
Its Hell and Heaven all at once.
But lots of fun.
Lots of fun.
A fantastic read
Cured my hangover 11/10
Were the Good Ship the promoters for this show?
Because if not, to me, it sounds like the band and the venue have been left high and dry by the promoter on this one.
As more information has come to light, it does look that way
Also, some poor communication on all sides.
Can't believe i just read this entire thread
Often that's the case
there are exceptions though
just posting for posterity's sake
People who take their own beers in to a pub are sub-human scum
I would NEVER, EVER do that.*
(*Unless it was a really wanky expensive pub and it wasn't my idea anyway so there)
anyone with half of brain would hide a bottle of vodka in the guitar case*
*Well myself and Richey Edwards.
The guy who put me on there was a bit [sucks air through teeth and mouths 'funnyyy' while wiggling hands]
He screamed a Katy Perry cover at the end and I thought he was going to die before paying me.
are you a ska band?
No
pop band
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Haha, this thread.
Though.. I usually don't need beer to play a gig.. just a couple of packs of these:
http://cart.cranchs-sweetshop.co.uk/images/products/preview/refreshers.jpg
That wasn't me
im not that sad
well this thread worked out badly for the OP
no it didnt
Cementimental from PP here...
some kind of sparticus joke maybe?
You can just smell whole the late sweaty broke drunk work-tomorrow
pittance-margins mixed bill aggro cold-outside miles-from-home parking ticket shitty vanned barstaff-leaving cables-stolen whole general gigging experience off this thread...It's like a horrible Imax experience...oh man.
Gutted!
I have to say that i am very dissappointed that someone has written that absolute drivel and put my name to it! In fact i am disgusted. The Good Ship is a superb venue that the Pirates love to play. The promoter Tom is a superb guy who we will always do our best for. A note to bands, stuff does get damaged when you lend it out, its just par for the course when headlining. Dingus Kahn, as i said on the night put on a great show. The 7 piece were a little excited on stage but that is fucking Rock and Roll man what more can i say!
someone must have complained about the drums
They wouldnt just say your drums look abit battered have the other bands fee would they?
The 7 piece were a little excited on stage but that is fucking Rock and Roll man what more can i say!
:''')
this has kept me entertained all morning
ohnoes
I loved your Bull & Gate show. I even announced to all eight of my twitter followers you were my new favourite band.
Please don't say silly internet things to put me (as a venue booker) off you.
You've admitted to bringing in your own beers when you were asked not to. You've admitted to going behind the bar and threaten to steal their stock....
It's not going very well, is it?
shadyadie
We normally go to gig, knowing fully well that we will not be paid.
We love doing it, and would(do) do it for free.
The reason for the anger, is the way the whole thing was carried out. It was incredibly underhand, with no (in my opinion) valid reasons.
I was mad, upset, & as i said earlier i shed a tear outside after leaving the venue. (only one though,, im not a MASSIVE wimp)
The Bull & Gate gig was amazing. Thank you for the Champagne, i still have the bottle on my mantle piece at home.
I carried it across LDN for a week, and it covered all my clothes in dregs of the precious liquid.
I smelt like the classiest tramp in the city.
I've played the Good Ship as a 7 piece and we got paid in excess of £200
John was lovely to us, and we were lovely back.
The venue could do with some curtains around the walls of the stage area as it can sound a bit mushy down there but overall it was a decent experience.
You sound to me like a bit of a dick i'm afraid. You have to understand that venues see maybe 40 odd bands come through a week and you are no more important than any of the others in their eyes. When you treat their in house equipment like shit it may seem "rock 'n' roll" to you at the time but there's thousands of other bands that need to use that same gear after you. If you are going to throw around mics, stands and monitors bring your own and noone will have an issue. What pisses me off the most is that the sound engineer ALWAYS gets the blame for DI's/Mics/Stands/Cables being faulty when bands like yours have treated them with utter contempt. Just don't do it, it makes you look like a cunt anyway.
What i see quite frequently is bands walking into venues like they own the place as to them they have 2-3 weeks preperation for one 30 minute set but your just another group of chancers in the eyes of the venue and you have to prove yourself every time you get out there.
Unfortunately for you to stand out amongst the endless line of acts coming through you have to be a good band, nice to other bands, play by the rules of the venue (bringing in your own beer is stupid, let alone advertising the fact), and bring a crowd as best you can.
No-one owes you anything when you're in an unsigned band. You are not providing a service. If you dont play that gig someone else will and you're there to promote YOUR band, not provide paid entertainment. If that's what you're after you need to join a cover band or get yourselves a deal with tour support etc where people actually buy tickets to see you. In the meantime you will be slogging it out, losing money and dealing with dickheads along the way (this includes you, and not John at the Good Ship).
Just.Be.Nice
Ok. I feel that the time has come to have my say.
First of all I'd like to let it be known how disappointed I am that my emails to Mick have found their way onto this thread, that is to be sorted out between myself and Mick though.
When I contacted John about this I recieved an email full of expletives telling me that I should make love to myself. Frankly I'm disappointed that he should handle himself in this manner. A bit of rock and roll is what my boys were booked for, and that is the service they provided. If you don't want your skins to be damaged then don't lend them out. Its simple logic even for the morons that DK had to deal with that night.
The dog incident is news to me and I'll certainly be having words about it.
I won't be allowing any of my bands to play The Good Ship again knowing that it is run by such a bunch of theives. £20 doesn't sound like much, but it is more the principal of the thing.
Cheers.
*having words with it
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
:D
My boys
*inhales, drags palm of hand down face*
http://www.lunacynet.com/league/images/s2_pop.jpg
All I can conclude is that I'm glad I wasn't at this show
you missed out
Still no Titus Bramble joke account?
Shut down by the Internet Fraud Office :(
Razorlight?
Jezebel
I'm happy that this is all very funny to you.
Dingus Khan are surely a comedy band?
No?
it's objectively funny
sorry.
People have laughed at greater misfortune than this on these boards
It's also good publicity for Dingus Khan in a skewed perverse roundabout way.
And it's free. Stop moaning.
^Can we stop doing this?
It's shitting up a classic thread guys.
:'D
Dingus Khan
Lol
Thanks
Everyone. Top marks.
Titus Bramble > Kicked Dog > Bogus Pirate > 'Manager'
great thread.
shit band. bad publicity is better than non though.
but yeah, this thread had me laughing hard in places.
http://youtu.be/-1mvN6lU0oU
Where's Mick gone?
Presumably still asleep from his 12 hour bullshit binge. haha
I actually was.
Stayed up till god knows when.
Played paper,rock,scissors with Froglet on tinychat (she won)
then died.
froglet died?!
:o
Really fantastic thread. Great stuff.
I'm pretty proud of you all.
This is getting out of hand now guys.
And whoever did this is out of order; http://tiny.cc/1kxog
amazing!
KHAN though not KAHN
clever JAG
Was that from Phil the big man manager?
Hilarious.
Looks like maybe Mick has a bigger tosser in his little boy scout clan.
well said
tho i will make one exception and never stop dissing XOYO on here till it closes
Yep...
And now it is public we have every right to take the piss.
I have this image of Phil_khan bending Mick_Squalor over his knee for a good old fashioned spanking.
And the irony of you posting a message that I sent to you PRIVATELY
is lost on everyone?
It's out there now homeboy.
Nothing is sacred. Like a lamb to the slaughter.
Lets party.
I'm not going to get riled by some 13 year old tossing himself off at his mums computer over trying to wind up people who are just trying to do their job.
^a fine example of not getting riled kids
I can confirm that he's at least 14 & 1/2
get your facts right, you little twat.
job
in INVERTED COMMAS
<>_<# DiS!
first!
http://tumblr-gifs.com/pics/47.gif
dunno if it counts as 'ironic'
plus nobody cares
c'mon man
This has been fun and it makes a change from the 'where do the holes in polos go?' or 'I'm going on a date with a girl, but i don't know how to kiss' threads.
I don't intend to post anything of this ilk in future.
I dont intend to be.... FUCKKKEKKED AGGGGaaaiiaannnna>!?!nnnn!!nnMN
so.yeah.
it's funny BECAUSE there are real people involved
/tragicomic
>
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/art-en-14e4a9f03ef5bcf442531ad823607fd1.html
<3
Genius!
secretary has just come into office to ask why i was squealing
thanks. Please send me a new, non-coffee-soaked monitor.
:D
hahahaHAHAHAHAHAH.
YES.
Strong
This reminds me of when Bamnan lauched
a carefully orchestrated PR campaign of hate in the buildup to his linking to his mini-album.
Well done.
soo.....
does this all mean i should or shouldn't play the good ship?
I think it means no one should ever play a gig anywhere
Unless there is a BYO policy for bands? Or play only for venues and promoters that dont need to pay for things like Staff, Rent, Equipment etc.
...or have i missed the point?
i'm not even in a band
didn't stop me!
I never realised promoters could be so cruel.
I have just had one of the worst nights of my life. To my delight on Thursday I found a band through one of those unsigned music sites with stencil fonts and pictures of amps who couldn't play a show at the Good Ship in Kilburn tonight, and who was kindly willing to give away his set for free to another group of rock and roll urchins who could name a favourite variety of pasta shapes in tomato sauce closest to his own. Luckily I got the gig by saying my favourite variety of pasta shapes in tomato sauce was 'Haunted House'. He agreed to send his contract to me via osmosis and he did so on Saturday. The setlist did not arrive on time today (Monday) so he provided me with a photo of a cloud which he felt best represented the mood of his music, and the pantone shade of the paper on which the setlist was printed. I knew it was slightly risky but I went to the venue anyway with these trivial bits of waffle and the gigmeister's name, thinking they would be able to find his details by rolling 4 or more on a D6. The journey was over twelve months away from the 7 various locations I live around the country. When I got there the box office staff requested the name of my band, which I did not have. I told them this and that being someone I found on Jack Daniels Unsigned Rock Xtacular I could not contact the man easily (I described him as the other half of a pantomime horse I onced played to make my case more convincing). They told me to try and contact him so I purchased some beer from a local off license and belched a message in morse code, using a traffic cone as a primitive loudhailer. I received no reply.
At this point they had over 30 places left for people on the guestlist who hadn't turned up yet, including the entireity of the Newcastle team of 1999. By 7.30, 45 minutes into our set the drum skins called it a day and collapsed. At this point the promoter ushered me off the stage, being totally unsympathetic and telling me to leave even though I, as a 21 year old man with rock and roll in his blood who rarely cries, was welling up. Devastated, I stood stage left, hoping they would find it in their heart to let me play the final songs, as there was still a working mic stand. The staff just stood behind the bar, staring at me, one girl who worked behind the bar was wearing a Liars 'Drums Not Dead' tshirt, as if to say I was stupid and ridiculous to expect them to believe me. I had never felt so rejected and experienced how cold people can be.
hope this isnt too late to be appreciated
I hope you have a pocket sized book of short stories available.
better late than never
::stands::
::applauds::
Bravo, sir! Bravo!
is that how you spell livelihood?
no response?
if 'managing' a band playing at a loss on a weekday who publicly display your private emails in which you conspire to
secretly bring drinks into venues without permission in future despite the catastrophic results this time and who and say do really obviously unwise and foolish things to the venue/staff on a regular then maaaaybe you need to look at YOURself :-/
^ is your livelihood
imagine mick and phil, but with a few drinks in them
yeah i think i'm beginning to get a clearer picture of this now
Phil wasn't there.
Oh damn.
This just keeps on giving.
(please don't call it a day, this is amazing)
I never though when the thread appeared last night
That it would blossom into this.
Made my day
Umm, catrace....I don't think that's the real Ph.....never mind, continue.....
How do you like me now?
Indeed.
I actually quite like the video and have heard much worse.
Not so sure about their manager though. Seems a little bit unprofessional / angry.
Cheers man.
Records out next year.
you lads sound like a proper balls out rock and roll band!!!
Just what the country needs!! have you been in the top 10 singles on Amazon hot new releases for indie/alternative & Rock catergories yet?
never give up on the dream boys!
Mick's alright
but I don't like this Phil chap very much.
I don't even think Phil likes Phil
He's so full of rage.
Also I really wish this was posted on the music board.
Think of the artist tags we're missing out on.
How did the-breacher do that?
There are known knowns, known unknowns and there are also unknown unknowns.
In short, I don't know how I did that.
:D
This Phil seems a bit livid and not a very nice man.
and why's he picking on poor cat-race so much? Everyone has been picking on his precious band.
I think he needs to put on some Dingus, smoke a jamaican woodbine, and kick a dog to chill out. Or go and hang with Titus for a bit!
Agreed
Sack Phil, Hire Titus
http://www.missingpetregister.com/mp/23040.htm
own up Phil
Honey
imhome
Hey Micky!
Have you noticed how you were acting the big man and calling the Good Ship and John out and then as soon as he posted you were all like 'sorry I only wanted to spark a debate' and then you calmed down a bit and realised that you were acting like a bell so pretended that it was all a joke and now you've sidled back in to the thread in order to keep up that pretence?
BREATHE!!!!
oh leave him be
No.
Not true.
I like that all you guys now know the name DINGUS KHAN
I've been jagging/posting free tracks on here sporadically for months, but to no avail.
This whole thing is amazing.
No i am not a giant Bell
mini babybell
more cowbell
I'd have called you a giant bell if I thought that you were.
You were however acting like one.
I still don't believe i was
YOU WEREn'T THERE MANNNN
This thread isn't amazing for your band
It's a Sweet Gorilla moment. It's a tragedy for your band.
No it's not.
It's pretty sweet.
See you at the BULL & GATE on the 16th on NOVEMBER.
DINGUS KHAN - 16 Nov - BULL & GATE
Dingus Khan play live suspended from the ceiling.
Whilst Phil (manager) & John (goodship) Fight to the death using two ten pound notes.
The winner keeps the cash, and is free to do as he pleases.
This night is to be promoted by the same guy who did the GoodSHip one. So, bring popcorn.
with support from Luke Leighfield & Sweet Gorrilla
See you there, Obviously!
We should all go to this
and smash up all their instruments in the name of rock and roll
You're definitely all coming. It's a MEAT. Come and watch a guy you hate, and his band that you either think are turd/good/have no opinion on. Phil will be there. We'll have most probably got beers in.
It'lll be fun as hell.
And i promise you we're good.
Sell you cds after if you want!
x
Alternatively. get SEAN to book us as the first band on at one of his gigs.
Yeah SEAN?
SEAN to thread.
,..,SEAN?
perhaps we could put a link to this thread on the Bull & Gate facebook page or something
well.
No. Please. No
Someone do it.
No Danny Apple?
shame
http://tinyurl.com/5v2zky2
How'd you get hold of our latest PROMO shot?!
Get him PHIL!
I found an actual picture of Mickey!
http://tinyurl.com/6eqdeas
can I support?
Or i could get you Litter Shitter probably
definately
You guys should do a joint tour with The Kayas.
The Libertines have a lot to answer for...
we're all gonna forget ur band soon as this dramaz run out :(
shutup and listen. drummer from dingus khan
this is shit. fuck the good ship, john - fuck off you massive twat.
i sent this to PP after we played...
Hello Pirate,
Have just got this email through from the Goodship, amongst other things...
"On top of that they were very disrespectful to the headline act Peerless Pirates who offered to lend them their drum kit, in which they took no care in looking after and gave their skins a beating (it actually seems that they had been playing with broken sticks as the skins were pretty much destroyed)."
I am very very grateful when another drummer lets me use their drum kit - I would just like to say I had seen the dented skin on the hi-tom before we played, I don't actually use that drum, I didn't hit it once during our entire set or sound check. Also, I never use broken sticks. I broke 2 on the cymbals but swapped them instantly for others as I know this damages skins...
I'm not seeking any kind of cash back for the skins or any rubbish like that. It's just a message so you know i'm not a complete cunt (as the fuck-head promoter is making me out to be to several people).
I don't want you to think I was taking the piss, I really do appreciate it when all I can carry on me is breakables and someone else sorts out the drum kit.
Cheers
To which he emailed back a very nice message to say that he knew it wasn't me who dented his skins, he would have a word with the CUNT -promoter and that he respected the fact i had said something to him afterwards
END OF. FUCKING PAY US. DONT FUCK US.
also, PP are really really cool guys even though they wear eyeliner.
Dont give up Mick Squalor.
Seriously come to the gig at Bull and Gate, live circumcisions
Hear the words I sing, War's a horrid thing, But still I sing, sing, sing,
dinga linga ling
Travis?
D. Kahn is bent
KH
so there's still like 5 more of these guys to possibly weigh in with the drama
SUPERB
Alrite.........Whats going on?
WHEY!
Ladies and Gentlemen. (Ladies Especially)
This is JFroth of Dingus Khan.
He is the Ukulele player.
Question him. I consider him to be the most level headed member of the band.,
ukulele players are totally level headed \o/
Good to see you pouring oil on the troubled waters here.
For ages, I thought that Dingus Khan was just an amazing insult the promoter pwned you with
Imagine my disappointment when I find out it's your fucking band name.
*amazement*
:D
This is brilliant.
I think we can safely say it's one of the all-time greats can't we?
My 2 bob worth.
So you
a) layed hands on a someone (even if you say this was 'gently', it's still an act of aggression)
b) came behind the bar saying you're going to steal alcohol, thus intimidating bar staff, who have absolutely nothing to do with the situation, but merely trying to do their job
c) disrespected the venues', and other bands property, potentially causing damage which they'd have to pay for out of their own pockets and
d) continued to drink cans of beer inside the venue after being told not to.
None of the above have you denied doing, however you still think it's reasonable to come onto this forum and spout libel about the venue? I think it's completely reasonable what they did- taking money they were going to pay you and giving it to the band whose equipment you ruined. And to be honest, if you value your band at only £20, then I feel sorry for you and should probably get a day job- especially considering that by the sound of it, only about 12 people actually came to see your gig anyway. Or if you cannot find a job at your local KFC, perhaps ask your parents/guardians for an increase in your weekly allowance?*
I regularly go to the Good Ship, and know numerous bands who have played there in the past who have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. On the contrary, John the owner is known as a great guy who puts his blood sweat and tears (sometimes literally) into the venue, who's always willing to go above and beyond to support local artists, so it's no wonder he told you to fuck off when you acted the way you did.
One final thing- may I ask exactly how many people you brought through the door? You initially stated 30, then readjusted to 'definitely more than a dozen'. Because unless it was a substantial amount, throwing shit around onstage doesn't make you look like Sid Vicious, it makes you look like a try hard.
*Disclaimer- this sentence was written mostly in jest.
layed hands? you absolute watermelon
I layed hands on your mum last night.
JAGIELKA!
Guys, if there's one thing this thread really doesn't need
it's Reef.
BillyVanner
If John had've been there, imsure it wouldve been a different story.
Fact of the matter is, the situation was handled badly.
There are 4 parties here.
1. DINGUS KHAN (all hail)
2. Tom Cater (Promoter)
3 Joe (Bar manager on the night)
4. Soundman
For whatever reason, it was decided that we were not going to be paid. I personally don't believe that this was thought through.
somewhere parties 2/3/4 had got there wires crossed. And when confronted (which i don't believe they were expecting) they didn't have a concrete excuse as to WHY we were not to be paid the £20.
We did not know how much we were supposed to be paid, i said £20 in the argument, so there was some kind of figure.
I objected to the way in which they went about shafting us. I've been shafted hundreds of times, by much better (at shafting) people than those guys.
1. The beer.
i was the only one drinking beer in the venue. We're talking 2 cans here. The other members of the band had their bags rummaged through, and the beer taken from them.
NOW. They would've drunk their beers inside. But the FACT is they didnt.
2. The drum kit breaking.
As clarified above, this was sorted out eventually between drummers. There is no bad blood. The drum kit was not DESTROYED as the promoter said in the email. It was a dented skin.
3. Venues property. Monitors/mics.
Quite often during gigs, things go over.
As soon as you get this happening, you get people who know nothing about gigs/performance saying that you were being disrespectful, and more often than not, they say that their equipment is broken. this is often before checking or consulting the soundman.
No equipment was broken. I called the soundman over, put him on the spot. And he agreed that nothing was broken.
He did however say that, if he was the boss, he would've kicked us off stage as soon as the mic stand got knocked. Pusssy.
Now, i see no valid reason for the way we were treated.
Tom Cater (promoter) promised to pay us the £20. Obviously we knew this wouldnt happen, and told him so. It just shows you some of the slimey characters you have to work with. (us included?)
I now consider myself a bit of a bastard.
I lost my cool.
It has only ever happened once before this.
and srsly i think i/we are pleasant guys.
But i guess teh internetz will be the judge of that.
Watermelon?!
WATERMELON?!? I've been called a cunt, prick, 'hey you in the bushes', racist, lair, but never a watermelon. That hurts man!
so basically accounts by third parties here seem to suggest that this john chap is a decent guy
do you, dingus khan, not think maybe - just MAYBE - he's not actually in the business of screwing bands over, and perhaps you irritated him with your behaviour? like for example how you say that bringing your own beers in a venue is "not allowed, but everyone does it" that sounds like one of those rules that goes unspoken pending mutual respect by band and owner, and it seems to me like you assumed that unspoken rule was written in stone and john understandably didn't like that.
i think probably you should have been paid something. but on the other hand, it's not really the hard working rock band vs the evil promotor saga that you're painting it as, you just stepped on too many toes that night. if you're the PROPER BALLS OUT ROCK N ROLL BAND that you claim to be, you should be used to pissing people off and you should roll with the punches, instead of throwing all your toys out of the pram when your "rock n roll attitude" garners you some enemies.
He wasn't there Alexander, and as i've previously said, i wish he was.
Also, as i've previously said, i've been getting screwed weekly.
It nothing new.
yeah, i'm used to people getting pissed at us. Our local festival wouldnt let us play, down to rumours of us smashing equipment, and such like. But yesterday the runners of the thing were saying how we were there new favorite band.
I guess it's just the way it works.
We won't be playing the GoodShip again, hopefully we're moving onto bigger and better things(maybe not, but we'll see).
but that doesnt mean that no-one else should play there, i actually take that back.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or... yeah..
what's your local festival?
The Colchester Free Festival
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kb_3M2dWPU
this is Dingus Khan on the main stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ8WZo34U
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ8WZo34U-w
/\working url/\
good vid
would watch again
lolzors!11
We're doing a tour of high schools in the near future.
Which one you at? Imma plant a big bag of weed in your napsack.
Sorry, you said you were 13 earlier.
Hope 6th form is fun.
Be who you want to be.
Don't give in to peer pressure.
Enjoy yourself.
I don't live in London either
I live in Manningtree
1 bassist lives in Norwich
1 Bassist lives in Luton
1 Bassist lives in Bradfield
1 Drummer lives in Colchester
1 Drummer lives in Portsmouth
the uke player lives in Uxbridge
see what im getting at?
nah m8
Bradfield.
There are places outside the big cities y'know.
Fairer, untainted, honest places.
ask him what?
Put Bradfield into google maps. It's near Manningtree, where o live.
*I*
Also Mick...
...remember you don't need to be a dick to be rock'n'roll.
I'm not a dick
advice taken on board though
all srsness though
I don't understand the beer thing. If you can't afford to buy a pint in the venue and the venue don't offer you comps, just say "Fair enough, won't drink tonight".
Not difficult, surely?
True.
But c'mon..
c'mon what?
Not being able to take your own alcohol is a common policy in most, if not all, pubs. Dunno why being in a band or the fact that you only drank two makes a difference. Still against their policy, innit.
Yeah,
If we're talking about TheGoodShip night.
we're talking about 2 CANS OF BEER.
Next time, i guess ill drink outside, and miss all the other bands.
Okay dude
in case you haven't figured the general tone of this thread is stop bitching and save yourself from more negative exposure
Deal
Thread over?
A collossal massive, huge big bastard of a ^This
re. beer thing
I think maybe if you asked nicely if you could pour a few cans into a pint glass, they may not have had an issue with it. If not, go around the corner and neck a few cans like most other bands do.
or go to a cheaper pub for a bit after soundcheck + before show
So
how about that fucking Monto Water Rats, eh?
water rats
Yeah if you think you've been fucked over at The Good Ship, try playing here. A place that actually has the INTENTION of fucking bands over. And I know this for a fact, because I used to work there. I'd never seen a headline act been told to fuck off because there's not enough time for their set, due to another band been added last minute as support.
Why doesn't everyone redirected their anger towards The Monto?
That's it
the thread's gonna get deleted now.
And it's all YOUR fault
:(
Sorry.
:(
Dear God the Water Rats
I have the solution to the WATER RATS if anyone wants to hear it.
dude
absolutely not cool. this was the best thread ever.
re water rats
TRUE
imma say it anyways
r.e Water Rats
this involves co-operation, and careful planning.
But the premise is quite simple.
1. Get yourself a gig at the Water Rats.
2. Get friends band/Bands you talk to to also get on the bill
3. Go along as normal (dont sell tickets to the thing, but be in correspondence with the promoter)
4. Wait until the day, and dont turn up, no warning.
Then an email the following day saying screw you, this is going to happen more often until you sort it out.
Eventually they'd have to do something. Even a facebook group would be good.
May I also add,
5. Abuse any dogs found wandering outside and
6. Stand outside hurling empty beer cans on the night of said gig.
But yes, The Monto is a corrupt organisation, and one I will never support by going back to see a gig there.
Here you go:
http://www.facebook.com/dinguskhanband
soundofbastards gig is posted on there.
as well as darcys bridge picture.
Check the admins on the account. Mick Squalor is there.
you can guess which one i am.
Guitar.Ginger.Slightly overweight.
.. hello ladies ;-)
I cant drive.
Don't really know why i'm trying to prove to you that i am someone that you seem to hate anyway.
It might be better if i wasn't who i said i was!
ok.
Click on this link:
http://soundcloud.com/mick_squalor/04-phone-me-an-ambulance
I've changed the title of the song, to a message. For you.X
But you can see, that i MICK_SQUALOR am who i say i am
right?
You don't have to listen to it either.
what do you want from me?
O_O how many of these guys ARE there?!
7
1 more added recently
Freddiehubbard is interested too.. so ... 8?
My two scents
Hey,
Unfortunetly, having seven members in the band makes it quite hard to fit onto a smaller stage. So when rocking out, somtimes mics get knocked over. This is never intentional and honestly doesnt happen that often but when it does it usually sparks a few mass debates.
I understand their reasoning behind not paying us for possibly braking the PA and equipment. And for drinking in the venue is fair enough, although at this point i would like to add that i did not drink in the venue nor did i intend to. I do not believe many of us where actually drinking inside apart from Mick_Squalor.
Mick has never got so angry about not being payed before, i didnt understand it to be honest. I think it was just a mixture of drunkeness, annoyance and passion. But this didnt make it right to go behind the bar and start demanding pay. It makes you look like a dick, because you failed to see it from the venue owner and managers point of view. And if you hadnt have been as in their face as you were we may have come to an agreemant if not an understanding. Threatening people gets you no where, especially if you dont have anything to threaten them with.
But you were drunk.
And if there is any sense in you, which i strongly believe there is, you wont try to solve problems like this in the same way again.
The guy from PP who came over and talked to us outside was a dude. I saw eye to eye with him, and thought what he said at the time was very true and has been repeated more or less earlier in this thread so il repeat it now.
We enjoy playing, every gig gets more fun than the last. Its not about pay, it never has been and never will. Even though times are hard for us, times are hard on everyone right now and we cant forget the pressures and worries of all partys involved.
I am so high.
Josh - dingus khan's ukulele player.
Love you Froth bags. x
you're my favourite member of dingus khan
...SO FAR
Are your two scents
1. A vague whiff of Marijuana
2. Axe Bodyspray
Na, I'm high on life.......
not.
I thought he only had two cans of beer
How the hell do you get drunk on two cans?
I believe he said he drank two cans inside
But he did not state how many he had outside
To be honest.
I dont think i was even THAT drunk.
but.. who knows...
2 Cans inside the venue
how can a band with 7 members and an ever increasing number of apparently totally unneccessary management-type people
even HAVE a ukulele player? Can you even hear the thing?
Yeah you can man.
It's not an acoustic one.
Its a ridiculous fuzzed out monster.
bet it's not as good as my bass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoi-YRW_YKA
HA!
amazing!
You can here what the UKE does in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSqMFSsBW2Q
Sound Quality is Wretched though.
Its kinda like lead guitar i guess
but weirder. and better.
and hipsterer
Don't know what that means.
It's the instrument he chose to play when he was younger.
And he's probably one of the best in the world at it.
I know that sounds retarded, but most people are just playing lame chords of a semi acoustic thing.
THIS GUY SHREDDDDDZZZ
good for him ^_^
PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD
at playing the ukelele
Oh wait
He said he knew it sounded retarded
you still putting on gigs Andy?
Jake Shimabukuro is better
Hehe
Mass debates.
Teehee
This is amazing
*throws raw meat into thread*
That's not a thread
It's a motherfucking career grinder, with a highlight reel.
Good thread, would read agian
http://www.ents24.com/web/event/Peerless-Pirates-The-Good-Ship-London-2670110.html
would read again
me too
_Squalor is allreet, let me know if you need another drummer....yeah?
Cheers Freddie
There are always drums knocking about onstage.
Come to a gig, and join in.
We have just kinda recruited another drummer for local gigs.
making the total 3 in all.. but.. who knows. x
i only work with full kits...and i always used to get bollocked for skin damage..
but i know a samba troupe who might be arsed w/ banging a few random bits about ...
Are you srs about the Samba Troupe?!
please tell me you are.
Nottingham based.
...and enforced vodka venue smuggling is part of the deal
Freddie, are you in the Samba troupe?
If so, i'll PM you in a couple of months.
no, i'm not.....but my old vocalist is....and i'm a drummer so it wont take long to learn.
Jesus Christ
This thread was probably about to die, until Jfroth had to rear his bloodshot-eyed face into it. For the sake of everyone involved, can we close this thread ASAP? Perhaps after taking some screen grabs as a memento?
hahaha!
The hell
After reading this, I ache all over.
It's been a while
since we had a thread which came close to knocking Mars Bar Day off its perch
Ah sweet Mars Bar day
the mars bar incident was definitely my favourite
all time moment on DiS
can't believe this picked up again
great stuff. thanks to all.
From the looks of this thread
musicians ALWAYS play at The Good Ship in Kilburn.
At what point do threads like this, BECOME threads like this?
just amazing
divine intervention
still going?
kept me going whilst i warmed up at work, lovely stuff
.
Just listened to a couple of DK tracks and they aren't bad you know.
If they were a) tighter and b) better recorded I would listen to them more. Yep.
Maybe you should take over managing them
Pass on your Rock Star knowledge. Phil is clearly More of a hinderance, and you could have a cool manager nickname like Gray Wolf.
haha
I would never, never want to be a manager. Although you're right, I could do a better job than Phil. For example I'd actually attend their London shows and stop them from acting like dicks around promoters / venue staff.
How good are you at thinking up sneaky ways of smuggling booze into venues
;)
VERY
I used to take my own booze into venues all the time if there was no rider. Only if there was a backstage area to drink it though.
That winky face is unsettling warny. Very unsettling.
Dingus Khan
Call your album 'Dogkicker' or 'We kick dogs for fun'
pleasethanks
I'm
Down with that
Dogkicker
is good
I'd go with 'Almost 600 Replies on a Forum Full of Stuck-Up Indie Wankers and All I Got Was This T-Shirt'.
Or
'Almost 600 Replies on a Forum full of Stuck-Up Indie Wankers and we only got 30* people to come and see us play at The Good Ship' *21
No. But that's because I'm boring.
Yes.
Mick linked me to a few other tracks and they were very good indeed.
If they come to Brighton I'll check them out.
I have a feeling i may have no choice but to see the B&G show.
You better be good boys. You better be good.
i saw Dingus Khan before they were Internet Famous.
screw the lot of you.
unfortunately their next gig clashes with Johnny Dean DJing at The Monarch. so i'm going to that.
</reasonably indie posting>
600
Year 600 (DC) was a leap year starting on Friday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar. The denomination 600 for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years.
what.
When xylo's 'feeling a bit down about the internet' got to the point where bumping it was just for fun
we started bumping it with the number of posts it was to be at and an entry from Google for that number.
This thread is almost as good as the Laura Marling one
hats off to one and all
Uh oh...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15496032
That article needs more
Dogkicking
Dingus Khan Done Did An Album - Dogkicker (We Kick Dogs For Fun)
http://wilburalanltd.tumblr.com/
16th. Bull&Gate. Yeah.
bump
parody thread
Bit of a monster thread you guys
(someone told me about this in the pub last night)
I'm just bumping this because it's an amazing thread
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ahem
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dingus khan
I played there once
Travelled from Bexhill - 2 1/2 hour drive. Got paid £5. Nice.