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Apparently they made stuff go faster than the speed of light at cern. Unlucky albert.
itll never hit the floor!!1! Maths isnt right!
its probably one of the most fascinating places on earth. IMAGINE WORKING THERE! WITH THE 'ROCKSTAR SCIENTIST' BRIAN COX
Neutrinos are not. Or at least, they've been assumed not to be.
I'm talking bollocks. Well, I'm not, but it's not relevant because you are.
that's always what news like this turns out to be
SCIENTISTS FIND LUNG CANCER VACCINE oh wait it's just an idea that doesn't actually work in practice
HIV POSITIVE MAN TESTS NEGATIVE oh nevermind it was just some freak testing mistake he's still going to die of aids
news is just one giant disappointment
I mean, turn a torch on in your face from a few feet away and it's instant. Turn a lighthouse or something on from a few miles away and it's pretty much the same. You probably couldn't measure the difference. It's like 30,000mph easy. Anything above that is basically the same anyway, because light only exists when we see it, otherwise it's just radiation or something. I bet what people really measure when they try to do this is actually just the reaction speed of the receptors in their own eyes. Like taking your pulse with a thumb, or listening to an audiophile's stereo if you've got tinnitus.
They're probably just making it up.
and that possibility probably didn't occur to them either, so thank God you've pointed it out.
is that what you're saying?
Of course they're sceptical; they'd be terrible scientists if they weren't. You're being dimissive though, which is not the same thing.
Preferably while walking in silhouette in a desert with an intrusive soundtrack
even when I don't fully understand it
do you mean that they actually made something faster than c?
and are we talking about quantum stuff, where the state of twinned identical particles (very far away from each other) mirror each other - change ones state and the other instantaneously changes (faster than the speed of light)
cold' and 'fusion
makes it clear that those are the two specific words referred to.
I've changed my mind anyway.
I want this to be true. I'm willing this to be true.
I'm hopeful some serious extra-solar exploration within our lifetime once the cern dudes harness these FTL particles into some kind of mass effect field or warp core or some shit.
I wanted to make a joke in the science thread about the figure being wrong or something or something. It wasn't funny at all, was it?
With you on the GO SCIENCE bit. I mean if this disproves the the Theory of Relativity and CERN doesn't find the Higgs Boson, then it's clear we've be barking up totally the wrong tree for the past 70 years or something daft. Imagine. IMAGINE.
now, experimentally, this theory is amazing. but it doesn't work at the quantum level. and the quantum theory that works experimentally at that level, doesn't work on the nuclear or universal level. so... essentially, we know that there was going to be something coming along to unite them; the Great Unified Theory.
and that's what physicst and mathematicians had been working on. brian greene suggests that for the first time in history our understanding of physics is being limited by our knowledge of applied mathematics. essentially, we have theories, but the maths is so difficult that it's almost impossible to do it with current methods (think Newton and calcus - he created (maybe) the maths so he could work it all out.
ANYWAY it's a surprise, sure, but only if you see theories as rules that can't be broken. and the fact they got the answer 15'000 times (enough to be proof by todays standards) it is either systemically wrong with their system, OR they've done it and we need a new theory.
either way, it's exciting.
some of them are brilliant.
I'd just spend the whole afternoon reading it.
Make the spaceships do lightspeed before you tit about making tiny little irrelevant specks of dust go slightly faster, thanks scientists.
the speed of sound.
the indie tryhard bellend virgin
it just took a short cut through a parallel universe/dimension and so APPEARED to go faster
horrible anti-science junkkkkkk
Neutrino physics is notoriously unreliable in experimentation. There have been plenty of other instances where it appears that something travels faster than the speed of light, but this usually turns out to be the phase velocity and not the object itself.
The media has the habit of jumping on science before it has been tested, and jumping on the wildest conclusions possible. For example, if chemists study the chemical composite of carrots they will probably look for chemicals with medicinal benefits. Before they even start research the Daily Mail will have a headline "Carrots cure cancer, scientists suggest". Its disgraceful.
Mr Ben Goldacre
It was tested ~16,000 times at CERN.
And speculating about time travel and warp drives is Fun, with a capital F.
and say whatever they want because they invented the World Wide Web and that gives them a zillion brownie points of goodwill. In the same way I forgive David Bowie for anything he's done since the mid-80s.
despite being "correct", he's still wrong. science is the coolest
when did he ever say science wasn't cool?
From what I understand reading this thread he was trying to argue that with such an unbelievable and extraordinary result as this people should be more suspicious rather than going FASTER THAN LIGHT WOW SCIENCE IS SO RADICAL IT SOUNDS LIKE BATTLES!!!!
fwiw, though, once again today the reporting is being blown out of proportion as CERN's report says that they have located 2 possible systematic errors for the result - a faulty oscillator or some kind of wiring issue. Neither of these have been investigated fully though so we don't know.
But it's almost certainly some error intrinsic to the experiment
the reply to this.
two different types of things being "cool"
(a) the nonchalant not-really-interested "science is SOOO cool" whenever the LHC/space is discussed
(b) actually being cool
The neutrino was recorded as saying "I never travelled faster than the speed of light, it was my wife"
He must be pissed that Neutrino has made the big time without him.
- Dara O'brien
very, very, very deep
looks like the guy behind all this has had a breakdown