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busy day today. put in YOUR teams for todays CC action?
but we have Hatem Ben Arfa back! It's going to be painful to watch everytime a tackle goes in....fingers crossed he's fine.
But it'll more likely be Shola, Lovenkrands and Guthrie to start, instantly ending any attacks as soon as they enter the final third.
Sky only unti the semi-finals.
BBC1 will have highlights tomorrow night, but everything otherwise will be on Sky.
Livermore could still go either way
Kane doesn't really look like he'll ever make the grade. He'll be knocking them in for a Championship side in a couple of seasons though, I'm sure.
haven't really seen enough of him to make a judgement, but he's been knocking around the reserves for ages, so probably won't really ever break through properly.
Livermore's a bit older, actually. Neither's really impressed while out on loan (Townsend did well at Millwall, although from reading the match reports, it seems that was mainly as a result of setting up goals with his corners), although in Townsend's case, I find that slightly surprising. He has a lot of ability on the ball and really should have torn the Championship a new one; instead, both Ipswich and Watford sent him home. I guess his-decision making could stand to improve, which would explain why no one's wanted to keep hold of him, but I haven't seen enough to make that judgement.
Livemore is a bit nothingy. He's big and powerful, but other than that, I've yet to see what his strengths are, and I think most Ipswich and Leeds fans would agree. Harry Kane has just turned 18, so probably a bit soon to be writing him off.
Our most talented (English) youngster for my money, though, is Dean Parrett. He's a weird one; went to Plymouth, put in a couple of impressive performances, but then like Townsend, was sent back home. Plymouth were already in a bit of a mess by that stage though, so maybe he just wasn't the sort of player they needed. Then he went to Charlton... Not sure how he got on there. I highly doubt it's an attitude issue though, a la Bostock; can't speak for his manner off the field, but on it, he's a real fighter, so it seems unlikely. Hopefully he'll get some games in the Carling Cup/Europa League and impress enough to get a move to a Championship club in January.
is that Steve McClaren apparently rates him.
'makes it' first. He had a good last season and is impressing this season at Swansea apparently. If he can make the grade at spurs for next season (at least as a quad player) it could save a lot of cash.
so to a degree, he's already made it. Wasn't really counting him. He hasn't been particularly impressive from what I've seen, but then he's been playing alongside Ashley Williams who currently looks out of his depth. To be honest, I think it was the wrong move, sending him to a club with no centre-backs with top level experience. Getting him used to the Premier League is all well and good, but playing alongside an experienced pro, who can calm your nerves, tell you how to improve your positioning and decisions etc, can me massive. You only need to look at how playing alongside Naybet helped Ledley King (despite the fact Naybet himself wasn't very good), and how in turn, playing alongside Ledley improved Mickey Daws. Both were a few years older than Caulker is now, so there's still plenty of time, but it would have been brilliant if he could have gone straight into the starting line-up next season. As it is, I don't see it happening.
Knee cartilage as well; he's the new ledley king.
He did it smacking into a goal post, so as long as he can avoid doing that on a regular basis, he should be okay.
but his brief outings with the first team haven't been all that impressive. Hopefuly he'll get a few chances this season so we get a proper look at him.
but to tbh it makes me a little sad when one group dedicates so much time to despising a club whose support hate maybe three or four other clubs more.
it is good having a proper rivalry where both sets of fans dislike each other.
Wealdstone fans are notoriously silly aren't they.
Always find it slightly embarrassing just how much Chelsea 'hate' Spurs, when Spurs (although not exactly having a soft spot for Chelsea) primarily focus their bile elsewhere.
On the other hand, it always makes playing Fulham pretty funny. Watching them get all irate, eyes popping out of their skulls in hatred ... We just don't care, pals.
because we don't have a history of rivalling anyone for anything that often. I'd have to say Spurs on a local basis- even though I think it's silly, it's what most Chelsea supporters would say. There's still a deep hatred of Leeds and I've been surprised at how vocal that's been recently, even among younger fans. I personally really enjoyed the bad blood with Liverpool, almost glad that's kinda coming back. I've also been raised to hate Arsenal, but that's not strictly speaking a Chelsea thing.
Be interested to see what the atmosphere against QPR is like. Tickets for the away fans go on sale next week, and it doesn't look like it's been done on loyalty points, like games against those I've mentioned usually are- don't know if that means owt.
End of last season, Wealdstone won one of the County Cups - their first piece of silverware in quite some time. On their forum that win saw about half a dozen posts. When Harrow Borough were beaten by Tonbridge in the play-offs there were 90 odd posts of slightly bizarre gloating.
but Leeds, along with City and Liverpool, are still proper rivals of ours. I wouldn't say I particularly miss having them in the PL but league games against them were always massive occasions. However, I'll always be grateful to them for Cantona and for winning us the league in '03.
but it pissed me off in the FA Cup game the other year to see our jester's hat-wearing brigade not giving a fuck when our second string rolled over for Leeds and their fans were taking the piss all afternoon. It *almost* makes me want them to come back up to give our support an education in the club's history.
but you'd surely agree that Leeds Utd fans generally care about Man Utd more than Man Utd fans generally care about Leeds Utd. I'd happily wager that would be true even if you limited the sample to regular match goers over the last thirty years.
but that doesn't stop any proper man utd fan massively hating/caring about us - and the fact is that if they don't care about they're clearly from surrey and 21 years old. and yeah it's a rubbish term, but if you can't see that this is a match that's now become rare between two of the biggest clubs in football, and historically one of the biggest matches in english football - certainly a bigger deal than any of chelsea's fixtures.
And using chelsea as a benchmark with say, fulham, oviously doesnt work. you know that
they did a few years back.
if we're discounting the old firm & cardiff-swansea and focusing on english clubs.
man u-liverpool is a given. and probably because of recent years especially, the manchester derby. then what?
Ipswich v Norwich
Birmingham v Villa probs
I'd even say City v Rovers at least in the south-west. TBH no-one apart from leeds fans (maybe a few utd fans I guess) cares.
as well definitely.
I'd probs think of some more.
how much man utd fans care. and dont make me laugh with ipswich/norwich and a birmingham derby. cmon.
when even older utd fans consider you at best their 3rd biggest rival.
I'm sure Leeds do hate utd, the simple fact is that most man utd fans, don't live in Manchester and so to them Arsenal, Chelsea etc is a bigger game.
If measured in terms of violence and blind, livid hatred. A few decades back I think the only rivalry in the British Isles that was seen as fierce was that of the Old Firm, and whilst many years of Wolves and West Brom flitting past each other into different divisions has meant it's become a less regular occurrence it's still one of the bigger rivalries around.
West Midlands teams have weird relationships with each other, though. West Brom hate Villa, but Villa don't care about West Brom. Walsall hate West Brom and Wolves, but neither of those two teams care in the slightest. Wolves and Villa traditionally get on with each other quite well. And nobody likes Birmingham.
because it's largely irrelevant; all I've done is said that I find it a little sad- genuinely so, not in a pointing-and-laughing way. And I do- I'll find it a little sad tonight, I've found it a little sad when our support does, and I'll find it a little sad when other support does it to us. It's also patently untrue that tonight's fixture is 'bigger' than any Chelsea fixture this season. I'm sure you know that, so let's not lower ourselves to such stone-throwing.
I'm only particularly interested in historically significant match ups if they have some current interest. Go back long enough and you'd find Preston North End and Everton angrily slugging it out- would anyone salivate over that fixture now? I get it's a big deal for Leeds fans (and a significant deal to some Man Utd fans), and fair play to them for getting pumped up for it. It doesn't really mean anything to anyone else though.
and try and make it into a northern derby
OH IT'S NEWCASTLE - MORECAMBE, A NORTHERN DERBY
it's not important in the grand scheme of things, or even half as important as the fixture two years ago. And the cup finals/title deciders you'll be in are obviously bigger matches.
what i'm saying is that leeds-man utd is clearly a bigger match, historically and still today, than any of your rivalries or matches. Not only to the sets of fans involved but anyone who's followed football for over 7 years.
You don't have to care, in the same way you don't have to care about the old firm, or man utd-liverpool, or cardiff-swansea...
and have much broader interest because the reason for the biggest reasons for the rivalry are current.
Woefully poor discussion abilities, Nestor. Makes you look a bit silly.
You're still wrong- virtually every Chelsea match is bigger than virtually every Leeds match.
Go away please.
about us. you cant see a televised scum match with hearing AND LEEDS, or WE ALL HATE LEEDS SCUM - even on their european nights
surprising admittedly for a club who's been out of top flight football for the best part of a decade
in the sense that they're easily the biggest games of the season for a majority of those fans, regardless of the competition or circumstances of the match
I'm sure there's a healthy Utd-Leeds rivalry, but ultimately no matter how much a minority (albeit maybe a large minority) of Utd fans may hate Leeds I'm pretty sure that in the grand scheme of things it figures fairly low down in their list of priorities
most people don't care about the Brum derby, however to both sets of their fans it's a massive game, which at the moment Leeds v Man Utd isn't.
Villa & Birmingham fans will both immediately look for when they're playing the other, same for many other big rival clubs
I'd imagine the majority of Utd fans would go through a couple of clubs before getting to Leeds
but its as much to do with the fact that most of our away contigent grew up supporting united when you were rivals, hence why you'll always hear songs about Stam, Forlan and Solskjaer too.
Cracks me up that my 2 year old nephew has picked up and started singing We all hate Leeds Scum, I've no idea where he might have got that from....although his Evertonian father has a clue.
'we all hate leeds scum' gets an airing at every single united match you listen to / watch.
all fans will play down their rivalries when theyre on the receiving end of defeats, but all matchgoing united fans i know really do hate leeds a lot.
This is due to a match about ten years ago where Craig Bellamy got injured by Muscat and it screwed them over for the playoffs that season. That's it.
Some people on Norwich forums genuinely do seem to hate Wolves. It's baffling.
Fulham have recently been added to this, and Leeds but no one likes Leeds and they HATE us (lol)
But really we only actually care about Ipswich
I have Man Utd, Arsenal and Newcastle on my coupon.
but the shrews should have enough about it to see off arsenal
;) (also sorry to whoever I stole this from)
Can't make it as I'm working in that stupid London. Drew them in the FA cup yesterday, at home too. Worried. They're in form right now.
our squad is poor, and unless we play someone out of position there'll be at least two debutants. plus elland road is an intimidating place im sure for youngsters.
Countdown to kick-off (timings are approximate)
90 mins before kick-off
Concourses & seating open. Catering units open. Music played over PA system.
60 mins before kick-off
Goalkeepers begin on field warm-up.
45 mins before kick-off
Outfield players begin onfield warm-up. Stadium announcer takes to the microphone.
30 mins before kick-off
Birthdays & other personal announcements read over PA system.
Home & Away teams read out by stadium announcer.
10 mins before kick-off
Pre-match music begins. Players return to dressing rooms for final team talk.
5 mins before kick-off
It’s showtime! Match officials & players make their entrance through players tunnel
2 mins before kick-off
Fair Play handshake. Confirmation of the starting Home team given over PA system.
Half-time Interval (15 mins)
On pitch entertainment inc. Kids Penalty Shoot-Out; Sponsors Events.
Read more: http://www.fulhamfc.com/Help/VisitorsGuide.aspx#StadiumInformation#ixzz1YUa3aSyH
Keep an ear out for birthday announcements and welcome greetings, which are generally made over the PA system around 2:30pm and again at half-time.
Both teams emerge from the players’ entrance in front of the Cottage a few minutes prior to kick-off to the stirring sound of ‘Palladio’ by ‘Escala’.
The Fair Play handshake takes place, accompanied by the Premier League anthem ‘My Saturday Self’.
The Fulham players often emerge for the second-half to ‘I’ve Got a Feeling’ by ‘Black Eyed Peas’ or ‘London Calling’ by ‘The Clash’.
Read more: http://www.fulhamfc.com/Help/VisitorsGuide.aspx#StadiumInformation#ixzz1YUaVadzw
Their guide is about 3 times the length of the guide you get when you go to Glastonbury
but rather that than the clusterfuck you get with some clubs who seem reluctant to let you know where their ground is, let alone how much it costs to get in or when their next home game is.
It's pretty evident as well that most of that guide is aimed at people who don't do football regularly - i.e. not any of us. Quite a bit of the stuff that is obvious to us is completely alien to those who haven't been to a game before.
NOT ONLY DO YOU GET A GREAT VIEW FROM THESE SEATS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO CHEAPER THAN FULL VIEW SEATS SO THE COST OF YOUR FIRST PIE OR BEER IS ALMOST COVERED!
Why let 2% make you miss on 98% of the action!
"Ground" means this football stadium and all locations owned, occupied or utilised by the Club.
"Club" means this football club.
"Match" means any association football match taking place at the Ground.
"Material" means any audio, visual or audio-visual material or any information or data.
“Football Authorities” means The Premier League, Football Association, the Football Association of Wales, FIFA, UEFA and any other relevant governing body of association football
Read more: http://www.fulhamfc.com/Help/VisitorsGuide.aspx#StadiumInformation#ixzz1YUaotjXX
quite pleased with that. with weaver out for a while we need an established keeper and I'm sure he'll be a success.
last week Megson was saying "yeah we've got O'Donnell and Jameson, we'll be alright"
and now he's finally realised those two wouldn't even cut it at blue square level, let alone league one
Watching Ben Arfa getting roughed up is going to be horrible. Nottingham locals, is the walk from the station to the ground reasonably safe in terms of the areas I have to pass through? Going on my own and never been to Nottingham before. Exciting.
but avoiding Ben Arfa getting injured in his first game back would be genuinely priceless.
goes through the roughest area in nottingham if you go the quickest route. try to stick to the main roads, and groups.
might be going to the game myself. not sure.
It looks like it's largely main roads, so there should be a good few gaggles wandering on down. Might try and get a bus or find a group for a taxi though.
the main roads arent the quickest route, but i'd advise it
No real footballing reason, just it's not worth the bother.
everything else - not so much
Went there with my mates when I was at uni at Notts, literally the only thing on the menu that didn't contain meat was a cheese quesadilla. Even the salads all had meat in them.
County are putting on some kind of shindig for us, which is very nice of them
about the officials on Sunday. It doesn't serve any purpose and makes us look like whining Liverpool.
On the plus side, the team against Fulham tomorrow looks mental (in a good way). Lukaku and Drogba to start, alongside Romeu and Bertrand - fearsome stuff.
Had a listen to his press conference and as far as I can tell, that's what he's done. Don't think it's a formal complaint. If the PL ask you how you thought their officials did and you think that did poorly (which I'm sure Chelsea and Man Utd fans can agree they did), why not say so? I've got less and less bothered about what managers say in press conferences or post-match interviews- they say things to deflect because that's their prerogative.
Looking forward to tomorrow. Lukaku is gonna cry first time he scores, isn't he?
Happens at all levels from the park upwards. If you give them a low mark (I think the mark varies depending on level), you have to write a report reasoning why you gave them a low mark. No reason any of that should ever go public.
and I'm not really a fan of officials being slagged off in public- ideally, no one would mention them at all. But it happens, and when it's about as fierce as saying "We all feel very, very down when the referee had such an impact on the result. I already went further ahead with the situation by speaking to the correct people" in direct response to a question, I don't see any real need to get too excited. The FA steps in when things go too far, that's enough for me.
i thought he seemed very dignified after the game but it seems hes another Ancelotti.
not really sure what there is to complain about, the offside decisions were very marginal, and i don't think you could call it awful refereeing even though they got it wrong.
unless he's on about cole not getting sent off or not standing up to terry's harassing off the officials. oh, or the pelanty (i'd forgotten about that until i'd started writing)
The 1st one is pretty poor from the linesman- at least 2 Utd players are in offside positions and given that the goal was scored from a free kick, the linesman can't even fall back on the speed of the game as an excuse.
Cole should have been sent off, yes. Terry's hassling of the ref is unpalatable, but given several other players in both colours were at it, not worthy of particular attention imo. Personally I don't believe the penalty that was given should have been (though I can see why it was) but that United could have, and probably should, had another one.
There's plenty to 'complain' about (presuming it's done through the right channels and respectfully) because the officials did not do a good enough job on the day. It's not about moaning (the game is played, the result is recorded and that's that) or looking through one side's prism- no one should be happy with a poor performance.
he's a maniac, tbh. not a surprise.
He's now suffered a serious injury in every single season he's spent at the club.
He's going to miss the United game which is seriously dreadful news. Unless Coates nails a place with amazing displays in the next few games, Carra & Skrtel is very worrying indeed.
Amos, Valencia, Fryers, Carrick, Fabio, Giggs, Park, Macheda, Diouf, Owen, Berbatov
No Pogba :(
Carrick at CB with Fryers, Valencia and Fabio at full-back, Giggs centrally presumably and Diouf played there in pre-season as well, after that who knows...
brilliant. pogba has an injury, unfortunately.
He didn't play for our reserves earlier today either, so he must be injured again, the blighter. Gio starts in what's quite a strong team though (will be interesting to see how he links up with Van der Vaart), and Ceballos is on the bench :)
great to see giggs, keane, cole and brown in our squad for the first time in about ten years.
Fabianski, Jenkinson, Miquel, Djourou, Gibbs, Coquelin, Frimpong, Benayoun, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Park, Chamakh
not much weaker than the team that finished against us.
who is their second keeper? Martinez? whats up with Almunia and Mannone?
is it actually possible that it isn't being televised anywhere? that is a weird though these days.
do we have any strikers or wingers on the bench we can replace him with?
i love him.
we could put giggs there, bring on pogba, put him cm, put park lm.
Real nice goal from giggs
nice one paul
and carrick just laughed. brilliant
Fabio berbatov carrick valencia .... Still a convincing clean sheet thus far
Not too shabby.
"Adlene Guedioura wrapped it up with a stunning 30-yard strike."
I suppose if you middle it from 30 yards enough times one is bound to go in eventually...
I've noticed always looks direct at camera during his reports where every other studio pundit addresses the presenter.
SEE OWEN THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T PLAY FOUR FOUR SODDING TWO