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Dear Kelis: You're a bit of a cunt.
You would think if you are into Roots (I've never read or seen it) you would be non-racist.
Sounded pretty implausible at the time. Now she's changed the location, sounds even less plausible.
Can't imagine many racists read Alex Haley's slavery novel Roots
being Kelis, it isn't likely that she was just chilling in the line by herself. Probably has a massive entourage, all wearing expensive clobber - is someone REALLY mistaking her for a Nigerian refugee? And if they are that stupid, are they going to say it out loud with some hulking great bodyguards standing on either side of her?
I don't doubt the second part, but I'm talking about this one, single incident
"A spokesman for the Runnymede Trust, a UK anti-racism group, said: "It's worth noting that we're not a multi-racial paradise in the UK but there is a fight back here, and there are lots of ways in which musicians like Kelis can contribute. But I don't think we have got a huge amount to learn from America in terms of the racism over there."
That kind of terse response doesn't exactly convince that they thought much of the story either
My main thought was that said guy was a massive cunt but that the US from all accounts really isn't necessarily a place that smacks of zero-intolerance.
I was pointing out that when I read the story that was my conflict of emotion.
The thing is it's hard without the explicit statement you've made there it's hard to know if she's calling out the UK as worse than the US or not but it IS a statement about the UK.
Again, reading this and the Metro you wonder who's compiling this story and what their agenda might be. It feels like in both cases someone felt it was important to leave out the snippet you posted above?
Like the BBC. Odd. It changes the tone a lot (to my mind) from, 'This is awful and endemic and we should really hope it changes' to 'your country really needs to look at itself'. And yeah, the latter is just as true but no one likes to feel their being called out by someone not acknowledging they aren't alone...
best take that up with them
You should really rank all our prejudices.
is what Kelis said. If we're decades behind - which is what wishpig's saying she's correct about - there must be some yardstick countries that we're being measured against.
(which is awesome fyi) He probably got the reference from there?
However, I think it's only fair to point out that Balonz said it first and desperately wants credit for it
Address all grievances for the rest of the thread to him since I copied everything else I said from his blog
it's more why you'd want to critique an account of racism. i understand the celebrity thing is a distancer but eeeeeh...
i dont think you can really pick-and-choose which racism to oppose and which to 'question the veracity of'
if someone from a minority, historically racially discriminated against, feels that they personally have been racially discriminated against then i believe them unless there is strong disinterested evidence as to why their perceptions might be incorrect. always. i dont evalute their story based on whether or not it conforms to my experiences of...racists, roots, obama, airports etc.
i guess you'd probably be more considerate in real life and we're just saying stuff on the internet so that's not such a problem...but maybe these are points worth making. idk.
you know it was a very popular tv show in the 80s right? and ummm...racists can be weird people.
However, the queue at passport control is where I've heard the most racist man to have ever walked the earth spout his opinions. Maybe it was the same man
fat guy? big face, small beard?
"The man behind the passport desk laughed, shook his head in agreement I guess, and said 'kunta kinte'."
A man whose job involves contact with hundreds of different nationalities every day decides, in front of a crowd of people, to guarantee his firing by slagging off a famous person by referencing a character from a late 1970s anti-racism novel? It MAY have happened, of course, but there are a lot of unlikely elements that have to line up there
that is completely acceptable & understandable.
altho idk whether or not it was the case
Business cycles and skyscraper construction correlate in such a way that investment in skyscrapers peaks when cyclical growth is exhausted and the economy is ready for recession.
i went to see an exhibition about heinrich von kleist today. it was, oddly, in the tower of a church. they had lots of his first editions & the postcards he sent to goethe.
also looking on wikipedia one of my lecturers for this year is the 2nd referenced book on emerson. imtimidating. also he didn;t reply to my email. grr
Dieter Schulz: Amerikanischer Transzendentalismus. Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau, Margaret Fuller. WBG, Darmstadt 1997, ISBN 3-534-09407-7.
I've not once ever heard a passport ocntrol person speak.
Scan passport, look at you in sinster disdain
Hand back passport flippantly
Make that next gesture that looks like they're offering you out in a fight
shouted at me because my hands were too sweaty for the fingerprinting machine. Which only made me more sweaty, obviously.
Although to be fair, my passport did look like I'd made it myself by that point
Ban yourself please
(Have I got the right person?)
but I'm really not a fan of queue jumping either.
This joke works far better with the NOTW phone tapping scandal but I just thought of it now so why not hey
i dont know what the fuck you guys are all talking but kelis is brill
she should get some better producers tho
a load of queues for EU people like the racist british man.. and then a load of queues for non EU people like the pop singer kelis?
suppose it depends on the airport maybe.
When i was in a band (who were by no means famous) we got to bypass all sorts of queues and it did fuck off a fair few folks there.
and yes i am a kunt.
but not massively surprised sadly. I wonder who out of the above has been racially abused, and if so, how rational they felt afterwards as their blood was boiling.
which is fairly annoying because I have no doubt at all there are some big underlying race problems in the UK. Questioning the veracity of a single celeb's Twitter rant =/= racism
on issues of race, sadly.
You just have to take the good, funny threads (for example the one where I was exposed to the donkey derby YouTube video) and the occasional good album recommendation and get on with it
i eyed up the best queue and went and stood at that. When it came to my turn a guy ran over and said ''can i go infront of you?''
i got really annoyed. I think id usually just say okay, but i just said ''well, its kind of a queue for a reason. So yeah, i do mind''
i was so proud of myself.
end of story.
I'm not really seeing the cunt angle. Zapsta you are probably a bit of a bad person. I'm off for a beer and a shower.
Certainly don't mix the two.
you don't know what you're missing.
because OOH, SHE'S KELIS, GET OUT OF MY WAY, I'M BLOODY KELIS. Cunt.
Yeah, I jumped a queue, but so what? I'M FUCKING KELIS.
but in comparing the UK to other countries and being like `racism is so much worse over there,` I don't think that's to avoid the issue. People generally react more positively to positive nudges than negative ones, right? So trying to instill a pride in the general public that we're less racist than those bastards in that bastards inbred country everyone hates can actually become a positive thing in terms of discouraging racism, right?
I mean, look at me. I never really encountered any racist discussion or dissuasion as a kid or anything, but my favourite actor when I was 4 was Will Smith, and ever since then I've hardly ever been racist. It's a bloody winner.
but then I suppose you could argue that apathy among the general public is preferable to them being susceptible to emotionally charged discourse. Obvs it's not ideal or anything. But I mean if everyone in the world was apathetic towards race and racism, we wouldn't have racism, right?
That's an simplification I know, but yeah. I keep on wanting to write something more about anti-racist campaigns and how they could prevent anti-racist views in kids but i can keep on deleting it so I'm just going to leave this here.
Zapsta you are probably a bit of a bad person.
The midget? Wtf :')
Christians: better than everyone else.
Oh, lucky Jones...
If it was an illustrative example of how she has been typically been treated over here then fair enough.
And they're all like, no. Stop. Seriously. Don't go down this route.