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Number one with a fucking bullet: The Ke$ha credits sequence.
but yeah they totally ironed out all cartooniness in recent years, there was some actual funny animation occasionally early on during the Klasky Csupo era tho it was never amazing.
All the way back into the "golden era" or whatever. I'm sure I remember during a sideshow bob episode, Bart (or maybe Lisa) runs through the list of years that he defeated him, despite them both being the same age years later.
Oooo Marge! curling, it has bowling for me and mopping for you
But I haven't seen it since I was about 9, so whatever really.
The episode where Lisa becomes friends with that girl at art class and they start going on imaginary trips together. *cringe*
Mapple run by Steve Mobs. IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO? REALLY?
But if it's as bad as the Futurama Eye-Phone one then it's pretty effing bad.
The fact that the new Futurama episodes have taken a leaf out of the new Simpsons book makes me really sad.
way worse then the bad futurama episode
Doesn't it involve lisa promoting Mapple and going underwater to meet Steve Mobs and then the is some ham fisted pay off which involves Mi-tunes or something and then she cries NOOOOOO and then thats the end....
Absolutely horrific, worse than that one?
Futurama has fallen from Grace but nothing compares to this
Also as horrible Susan Boil is as an idea its a lot more creative (this is not praise by the way) to adding M infront of I-pod
Atrocious. Absolutely atrocious.
Karl did it once too. "see this is why i don't talk much"
because its only a short-gap joke, now a days when they break the 4th wall they do it for like a really prolonged time because they don't have any jokes to fill the time anymore
up until Weird Al
I use the term 'Weird Al Moments' to describe when a stupid guest spot ruins an otherwise good episode.
They're all episodes where characters suddenly behave in a way that runs entirely contrary to their previously established character for no apparent reason.
When you destroy the characterisation, you lose a large part of what The Simpsons used to be about.
That's right, Lieutenant L.T. Smash.
*leans out of window* "HEY YOU, JOIN THE NAVY!"
I'm going to watch that episode right now.
I don't slag the simpsons off because I havent watched it properly since it stopped being on bbc 2.
is that Homer would now be born in the mid-70s, which is clearly when he went to high school given his musical tastes and general 'tude. Although, I suppose, none of the Homer-and-Marge-get-together stories add up seeing as how their oldest child is 10, they're in their late 30s, yet they are supposed to be together after Homer knocked Marge up right out of high school. It's best not to read too much in to these things.
The episode where Bart's conceived could take place when they were in their late 20s. That's the premise of the grunge episode, after all - this big gap between them leaving school and getting married where they've always implied that Marge went to college at the very least before getting pregnant.
It's just the shifting of the time period that sucks.
but yeah, they've re-written those stories so often it's pretty murky now. I agree on the shifting of the time period though. Homer should always be a post-hippie 70s kid. "Quit jiiiiiiving me, turkey. A turkey is a bad person."
I've not seen this grunge episode, and I'm pretty convinced I don't want to.
that its absolutely fucking shit, it's that THEY PARODIED ALTERNATIVE ROCK AT THE TIME AND IT WAS FUNNY AND ALSO NOT COUPLED WITH JOKES ABOUT THE INTERNET BEING SLOW and efijdfsbhjksdfkldasjbhas
is one of the most beloved episodes - especially with DiSers, I'd imagine - and as you imply, how it directly contradicts Homer's proud 70s rock dinosaur status and total confusion with 90s alternative rock...makes me wonder how muchof a hand Groening has in the writing these days.
Would he not (as a legendary music nerd) have been boiling over with impotent fury at the very fucking notion of it, and vetoed not just the writing of said episode, but the writer's careers and possibly their lives?
Does he really care anymore? The new episodes of Futurama are terrible and all, I reckon he's just not that into it. Perhaps he just sits back and hires fanboys to do the writing, both The Simpsons and Futurama come off as adaptations of bad fan fiction or some shit these days.
some shockers though.
Anyway, no, I don't think he does, I think he's happy to get rich and pretend it doesn't exist after 2001, much as Seth McFarlane hasn't contributed to Family Guy barring voices for a few seasons now
that's taken over Futurama of late. The whole Fry/Leela thing in particular is unbearable, it would be best for Futurama for him to move on.
And when it's not that, it's other silly sappy things like the Bender/Hermes episode...ugh. I'd be able to stand it if the attempts at humour weren't so laboured.
The emotional episodes in the first run ('Luck of the Fryish', 'Jurassic Bark', etc) felt natural, whereas the combination of jokes and emotion in the new series feels jarring.
it felt really special almost in the original run when towards the end there was the chance fry and leela were finally gonna get together, like the devils hands are playthings is incredible, but now that's it's no thing its kinda boring.
The best new episodes have, as perhaps like the original run, when they do proper sci-fi rather than hackneyed "modern" (doesn't make sense because Fry was only around til '99) or yeah, emotionally character extending episodes, but we're already well aware of the characters!
Within the weird cartoon rules of perpetual present it makes sense for the past to move, im sure they have done it before in less obvious ways
But that episode pissed a lot of people off because it so firmly planted their early years before getting married in a time period where *other episodes in earlier seasons would have been set*. There was no need to spend that episode talking about grunge and the 90s and culture wars.
but when they bend the rules of time in order to make an episode as chronically unfunny as that grunge one, it highlights how desparate and creatively bankrupt the writers have become
"it's statements like that that make people think women are stupid" which is a secret hall of famer
people say "well they never age, so it's flexible like that" BUT that can't be true because we saw homer in 1996 and he was the age he is now, so in that respect he hasn't aged, but there's now a young homer in the same time as the old homer - so did homer in the grunge band exist at the same time as homerpalooza homer? if that's the case, then every single year the characters of the simpsons live every single possible age of their life up until now simultaneously. and that's just weird.
ARE YOU DRUNK????!!!
and the fence bit
Really, do not look it up
The Color Yellow - season 21
Simpsons did it as well.
but i'm prepared to believe that there's been some good-great bits.
oldskool fans say it was never the same once Conan O Brien left the writing staff around Season 5.
interesting bit from Wiki:
In 2003, to celebrate the show's 300th episode, USA Today published a top-ten episodes list chosen by the webmaster of The Simpsons Archive fansite... The most recent episode listed on the fan list was 1997's "Homer's Phobia" ...
Groening concentrates on launching Futurama, James L Brooks leaves, Phil Hartman killed, the rest of the cast go on strike for a pay rise of more than four times, Mike Scully put in charge leading to more plot convolutions, writing turnover includes Ian Maxtone-Graham arriving on the senior writing staff proudly boasting he'd not only never seen the show but didn't watch television.
but Al Jean becoming head writer is another one for me, whenever i've seen him interviewed he seems like he doesn't get the show at all (as well as being not remotely funny). There were good episodes after this point but i'm sure it was a factor in the decline
* that one with Pele in it
* that one set in the future where Lisa is President and Bart and Ralph have a band
* that one set in the future where Marge and Homer are split up and then Homer lives underwater (?!) and then Bender is in it for no real/funny reason
actually I haven't really watched it for the last couple of years
unless he's been in it a second time.
The second one is awful though and I'm still blissfully unfamiliar with the third.
especially as Lisa's Wedding did the whole concept of the family in the future so much better
"Ronaldo? Three time world footballer of the year?" Oh, Homer, you've pointlessly overexpositioned again!
The Continental Soccer Association is coming to Springfield! It's all here - fast-kicking, low scoring, and ties? You bet! You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza! And they'll all be signing autographs. This match will determine once and for all which nation is the greatest on earth - Mexico or Portugal!
and you have to vote online if you want them to stay together or not.
This isn't happening
Most of it seems to be from episodes I haven't seen
But anyway, I saw an episode in which marge says 'I can't believe we're all in prison' or something, which is not only ridiculous, but goes against earlier episodes where Bart shoplifting a videogame and being banned from a shop is the main point of the episode'
I think it's also the one with Kid Rock and Homer is obsessed with singing 'We Built This City on Rock and Roll'
and yeah it's awful
or where the animation looks neat i feel really empty inside
turning Disco Stu and Duff-man into actual characters instead of one-off jokes.
^in tonight's episode on C4. Was the best bit.
I was watching 'Realty Bites' earlier...Gil was good as a one-time character, but he became a recurring character just as the show started to slide. And Cookie Kwan wasn't all that funny in the first place.
With the one-offs becoming regulars, and celebrities taking the place of one-offs, the slump hastened big time. It's one thing getting fucking Rodney Dangerfield in as a guest star, but as soon as they roped in any old flavour of the moment, the quality plummeted.
My personal favourite one-off; the man who jumps out of the window when the PTA disbands. And then back in somehow. :D
Bart making a cartoon about Homer- fucking awful.
Also i miss Troy McClure.
Troy McClure... the guy that voiced him R.I.P soo much
and here was me hoping for a troy McClure comeback for all these years :(.
Angry Dad The Movie
I can only think of 2: Eternal Moonshine & Eeny Teeny Maya Moe, but neither are amazing, they do a better job of recapturing the warmth of the original episodes than the humour.
Suggest me some to watch.
it was executed terribly... the sideshow bob neighbour one was good and one I watched today where Homer becomes friends with Clancy was good until a very crappy 2nd half
many episodes still start strongly, but they just don't put the effort in to see it through to the end. Once they've got an idea it's time to wrap it up and start on the next episode. Then the celebrity guests and the 'Weird Al Moments' come creeping in.
I also think that since they stopped drawing it, the show lost it's ability to evolve. Before they had random characters roaming in the background that could be pulled forward and enter The Simpsons universe, now its all a computer template, with the same characters that have occupied the space since season 10. It killed off the visual gags too. You wouldn't get Worker & Parasite these days.
I live in Poland, and there's still some cartoons on TV that aren't entirely dissimilar to Worker and Parasite.
I was under the impression that it was still (basically) hand drawn, the lead animators doing the keyframes and the inbetweens being done in some sweatshop in South East Asia. Obviously it's coloured digitally and cleaned up on a computer, but I thought it was effectively hand drawn still. It's certainly not Flash or Maya
Any episode Moe-centric really. Possibly the only character left who can still make me laugh.
I think was the one in which I truly realised it'd gone to shit. For my money, the one in which Skinner is revealed to be Arman Tanzarian or whatever is where the cracks really started to show
Arman, can I read your copy of Swank?
Think about it - Homer used to be TV's lovable oaf, was stupid but good at heart and cared for his family...
Now he is a big fat moron who in real life would have been locked up or killed because he is such an annoying cunt! All he ever does is do something really obnoxious like spend all their life savings on a motor home or injure himself severely. All his jokes now revolve around him doing not funny shit like singing mr. bojangles or chackochan.
The voice acting on him is utterly horrible these days - he literally sounds like a caveman, at least in the early seasons he sounded human.
To quote Chris Suellentrop (some guy off the wikipedia page) "Episodes that once would have ended with Homer and Marge bicycling into the sunset now end with Homer blowing a tranquilizer dart into Marge's neck"
and that quote for me sums up the problem with the simpsons more than any other criticism - it's happy to be a pop-culture reference ridden cesspool who's only joke involves homer getting maimed or singing.
PS. Ralph Wiggum is possibly worse than homer now - but he's in it less.
call of the simpsons
and he thought he doing the right thing for his family, he was often doing the stupid and incorrect thing but the was reasoning behind it & he often had the best intentions.... the 2nd time he bought a Motor home & was whiling to jeopardize his marriage over it was because he thought it'll be cool..... and that was about it.
And thats the problem, Homer just does stupid things for the sake of it now
I bet that was good.
I've never liked the Simpsons and have only seen about 10 episodes. HOWEVER, one question to you lot.
If it's been so shit for so long, how come you're all still watching it? Why not... stop?
most of the moments suggested above were a good few years ago at least
Yeah, I dunno...
Maybe it's because I've never had Sky but I seem to have just seen the same 10 or 12 episodes over and over and it just doesn't do much for me. It's just all a bit saccharine.
Give me South Park any day.
God knows what you'd make of, say, Scrubs.
minus the comedy
scrubs has achieved levels of overwrought cheese that i really had not considered possible.
worst thing about scrubs: when elliot uses her 'serious' voice, it's this really breathy patronising thing that just makes me want to punch her
The fact that the writers had the nerve to do season 9.
seasons 3-9 stat.
but always caught the odd one here and there, mostly when it was in my works break room. I do catch the odd new one again as I have Sky and the has been an increase in quality recently but it's still far far far from it's best. They have good ideas now and even some touching moments but they just never quite utilize on it, whereas when it was in it's true lull the ideas where always stupid and they didn't even try to be emotional & wouldn't make me laugh at all.
(all from the Wikipedia page about it)
*this, generally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Goes_Gaga
*In the 500th episode, airing February 19, 2012, the Simpsons find out that everyone in town has become sick of their antics and have come together to decide whether or not they should be exiled.
*The Simpsons go to Antarctica.
*In 'The D'oh-cial Network', Lisa starts her own social network website. Meanwhile Patty and Selma take part in the Olympic rowing, and race against the Winklevoss twins, who are voiced by Armie Hammer.
*A Christmas episode called "Holidays of Future Passed" which is set 30 years in the future will depict Bart as a "lousy, deadbeat dad who actually lives in the school, which is now a condominium, and Skinner is his landlord."
jfc. so much jfc.
I just stopped watching.
HOWEVER, best thing i've seen in one of the newer episodes is when the lunch lady has some old chicken broth that she pours and ghosts come out. She goes "yeah yeah..get in the bowl". I lol'd hard as fuck. that whole episode was actually pretty good.
is still UNBELIEVABLY good though. my favourite comedy program ever, just for those seasons alone. nothing they have done since can tarnish those golden years for me.
1. the simpsons
2. south park
3. family guy
4. american dad
having said that, might actually prefer american dad now. it's got better as it's gone on. family guy has followed a similar pattern to the simpsons in terms of quality. I preferred when the humour wasnt quite so cruel as well. still great at its peak though.
just fantastic in every respect. great also how you seem to be able to pick up box sets in every 2-bit 2nd hand dvd store in Manchester for like a tenner.
its fucking terrible
it contradicts the previous episode (rather the cheech & chong one contradicts this one) as he never smoked drugs before his eye pain and on the new one he gave the impression he was always stoned listening to Cheech and Chong.
This episode is quite good though
it's a recent-ish one (2006) and is actually pretty good.
but if I'm in this abomination of a thread,
MAUDE FLANDERS' DEATH marked the point where I just stopped hoping for the programme.
Although then I watched it again, and quite liked the point it was making about death being unexpected. But did it really have to be done in such a callous way?
mega mega sad face :(((
the series has truly gone beyond recognition now. so much worse that even the supposed series 15/16 nadir.
part of the child in me just died.
<<if it's bone-headed to talk you out of seeing Edna, then I don't wanna be brain-headed>>
was that old dude chewing on his beard.
of an inappropriate song and usually pretty un-funny visual gags. Futurama is guilty of this too.
see what it's like, I expect to give up but I'll try and go in ubias
*looks at episode 1's title* 'Elementary School Musical' :( aw shit
Loan-A-Lisa was alright, the main story was anyways... at least in quite a heart warming way with lisa and nelson holding hands skating with each other saying they're just friends after Lisa helped Nelson out. The substory was WANK and Homer went from loving husband to oaf in 3 minutes... better of the two mind.
that I didn't like in some way. Maybe it's cos I only started relatively recently and so don't really care about the continuity or how in-character people are. As long as the jokes make me chuckle I'm happy
I would guess, if you didn't grow up watching it (I first saw the show in 1991 or 1992) it, then the horrific decline in quality might not bother you so much, as you're approaching the new episodes with a blank slate. and, in those terms, the show isn't bad per se - its certainly no worse than most other TV sitcoms.
however, yeah, idk really how you can deny that it isn't a totally different show than it was during sorta 93-99ish. because in terms of the style of humour and the way episodes are plotted and the density and nature of the jokes, it really really is.
it's not that it's bad (although it's really not to my taste anymore), its just that it has been reformatted to the extent that it absolutely is not the same show i watched growing up.
i'd say not only by it's (very high) standards it's really bad tv, it's just really bad tv in the same way that family guy is really bad tv.
the jokes and characters are terrible, and the storylines have nothing to them.
but I did say "its certainly no worse than most other TV sitcoms", which isn't reallllllllly high praise.
(also I think I've made my views on Family Guy abundantly clear on here before :D)
apart from the family guy diss. give family guy some credit,it's better than new simpsons
it would be sorta wierd, there is now as many bas series as there are good ones.
the general opinion is it went shitty by season 13 at the very latest
I dont know what I'm adding here, just ignore me
IMHO more bad seasons then good seasons
My tolerance goes to season 12, so its got a season left, but its been only 21/22 years so time wise its at least half