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about something that's already inherently hilarious.
i haven't done any reading on this. can you fill me in? re-rewind etc...
He basically bought er...not much success at Middlesbrough, was a shit England manager, I've no idea what happened at FC Twente, but the final league table is very weird, got sacked at Wolfsburg for being shit, thought getting Forest promoted would be a piece of piss, turns up, isn't able to buy all the players he wants, throw toys out of pram.
I have some sympathy with him because Doughty is a prick and the transfers committee thing at Forest is weird, but I do think McClaren has been massively naive.
though hehad a good squad to work with, still improved it
came into a Wolfsburg team in decline and decline continued. though in fairness, decline got worse after he left so he came out of that with some credit
Okay, but he got away with it to some extent. Ajax scored 106, conceded 20, FC Twente scored 63, conceded 23. And like you say, he inherited a good team.
its points total that counts
but again, winning a tinpot league by the skin of your teeth is hardly trebles all round time.
considering that for all the money they might have spent well... they're Middlesbrough
...winning the league cup, getting to the final of the UEFA cup, qualifying for Europe thru the league - I doubt there's many managers around who could have achieved better than that with Boro.
He did alright, but he had a load of money to play with.
He took Middlesbrough as high as they've ever finished I think and won them their first ever trophy. Unless you're getting Man City money, a team like Middlesbrough will have a natural limit on how far they can rise in today's game.
But Tony Pulis is doing a better job in a similar situation and he won't be getting the England job anytime soon.
I'm not saying McClaren's a terrible manager, and he's certainly no Megson/Kinnear/Platt, but I do think his *achievements* are overinflated for some reason.
the press in their usual fashion will forever take the 'wally in the brolly' approach.
I think he has had some bad luck- the England job is a complete poison Chalice.
Then again, i think the Forest job is too (or more like a poisoned tumbler)
(NB Obviously I'll be doing a Kik should he get us promoted, but for now I think he's a fucking spanner)
I didn't mean it was unfortunate for him that he got a job. But following the flak that Eriksson, Capello and McClaren got in their tenures, can you imagine maqny managers would want to take the job?
after the treatment he got as England manager Robson should have got a knighthood merely for not telling every tabloid journalist to fuck off every time he had to talk to one.
I'm just too young to remember that :(
Similarly, if he is crap, I'll be saying I thought he was all along!
The joys of being a football fan with hindsight ;D
There's no reason he couldn't have done with Boro what - say - Sam Allardyce did with Bolton.
and not winning anything at all?
Allardyce would be the better manager? Whereas finishing in the top 8 four years on the trot - versus only one top *half* finish - counts for nothing? Got you.
it's fun to hate people irrationally sometimes
Managerial genius, and definitely not just flukey.
See you in the playoffs
(Yes, I know Clough used to do the same, but he did that from a position of being an incredible manager)