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people can't even mourn in peace
is this in the public interest?
because I have no wish to see pictures of what I am guessing from the link-wording is the funeral of AW.
Aren't you just further propogating these images by posting this thread?
it is a picture of all the paps outside the private funeral
i am stunned that gigwise sent a photographer along
this is the second time i've asked them this question http://twitter.com/#!/DrownedinSound/status/95884671379976193
I mean, clearly it's only in the 'interest' of that section of the puvblic who takes a morbid (actually- in my view- mawkish) interest in stuff like this. It isn't the first time and won't be the last though, and for as long as enough people want to see images like this, then arguably they're just meeting that demand, disgusting as it is to me.
I mean, look at this photo! And THIS one! It's outrageous. How close do you think they'd have had to get to the family to take these? Unbelievable behaviour. And THIS ONE IS OF THE COFFIN! Unreal. I'm going to link this to everyone I know so they can be outraged too.
not seeing how they're utter utter scum
Photos from lurking around outside funeral.
That said, I'm neither appalled nor particularly bothered by the actions of paps, but Im a monster.
#bitesizefacts: My granfolk were cremated there
nah, Gigwise, due to the nature of its content, is about twice if not three times the size of DiS. if Doherty trips over, they have a headline to reflect THE NEWS.
I agree they're distasteful because it's unseemly and I have no interest in it, but millions of people took an interest in the life and career of Amy Winehouse, are upset at her death and by looking at these pictures may feel they are somehow taking part in the funeral.
I think utter utter scum is a bit much.
But when they're in the public highway, they're considered fair game.
It's not nice, I'm not going to defend it, I don't want to see it myself, but I've seen worse and I find this one hard to get worked up about.
The 24/7 news feed world we live in
But you have to pick your battles.
I find it hard to not get upset by everything.
You're one of the people that actually seems to agree with me that the world would be a nicer place if the web followed "real life" rules.
I guess that's because I find it hard to see the web as anything but the real world. For a lot of people there's a divide, and there was a weird gap for me for the first decade but my entire life is about the web, so for me, there's no difference whatsoever. Yet there's so many things people wouldn't do in the analogue world, that they would do online, partly because they 'can' and it's sort of seen as acceptable. I've stopped seeing most things as progress but I have no idea how society is going to rectify nearly everything.
So just commented on the link on their page
Will be swiftly unliking soon
Not really sure what's up with the vitriol, I guess our voyeuristic culture may be pretty reprehensible, but this is a pretty tame example.
it's more that every fact is publishing every detail - i can't decide if going along to a private photo and uploading photos of people mourning is as bad or worse than that Huffington Post story
Or is there another one I should know about from the Huff that is even more daft
aye, that one
that aside, if someone smuggled a camera into the service, I think you'd have something of a point, but these are just photos from the street. She was famous, in our society that makes her funeral news, these are pictures to illustrate that.
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Tribute from Mitch #Winehouse at his daughter's funeral: "Goodnight my angel, sleep tight. Mummy & Daddy love you ever so much."
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I tweeted him to ask why he thought that private comment was in the public interest
what's your twitter? that deserves a retweet
He hasn't responded to my tweet, but I was not the only one to ask him
no one needs to hear the final, private words from a father to his recently deceased daughter.
and especially horrible to fucking reduce it to a tweet.
well done david rose you bell.
Don't know why you're all so surprised, WELCOME TO THE NEWS.
No, not in a good way. Having a laugh...mucking around at the expense of [The World].
I guess my complaints about it sit alongside so many unspoken hates.
When we launched the Lipster, I really wanted to do a piece on papping the paparazzi as part of the launch, massively invading those people's personal lives and revealing them for the vile pond scum that they, mostly, are. And the economic reasons for why they do what they do and why they've become so ruthless.
Plus the details and 'full coverage' of a celebs death, detracts massively from all the great and terrible things people may have done in their lives.
I really hope nobody visits that page and thinks "Oh might go see her live"
for a while, due to one of many bugs, we had Michael Jackson tickets onsale on DiS. everytime we removed them the database re-added them at midnight. this is why we currently have no gig listings feed.
I wonder if people now would find it intrusive/mawkish/shameful/not in the public interest etc.
now they can't sell exclusive photos to hello or ok.
that while that's probably true, it doesn't deserve to be.
I know this is how the world works, I just wish it didn't. I like a lot of musicians and writers and comedians and that, but I have no desire whatsoever to hear anything about their private life, even if they turn up to red carpet events. I wish nobody else wanted to know either.
And what about those related to her who went to the funeral to mourn the loss of their friend or family member, who knew her as a human being, who happened to be famous?
I really don't understand why success strips you of the right to privacy. The ways in which the media tries to strip anyone with a modicum of notoriety of their dignity in life, seems so much worse in death. The 'in the moment' nowness of the modern world lacks any kind of respectful distance. Tributes are gushed off as fast as first listen album reviews. I guess it's the thoughtful approach and that element of consideration which I am mourning the loss of, and should be more accepting of but I just don't see the need for minute-by-minute gut reactions and intrusive insight.
It has struck me how few people see the distinction between "in the public interest" and "of interest to the public". In the former, which is so often cited as justification for totally vile intrusions into people's privacy, the term “public interest” really means that it is for the overriding welfare of the general public, not merely that most people with find it interesting. I'm with Sean, although I think there's little that could be done to prevent it.
But I can't help but think that a thread linking to the offending pictures is somehow a horrible poetic irony.
What's the point of shaming without naming? If you do something grotesque, you should be held accountable. The biggest problem is that people are far happier to be accepting that this is the modern way.
Be outraged. Call people on their shit, even if it's just via a tweet.
I think the biggest problem is that anything that is of interesting to even a hand-full of people, can be deemed in the interest of some members of the public.
I wonder if people would have an interest in things if they were not available and part of the mainstream. By making morbid details available, are we encouraging an interest in morbid details? The media has the ability to prioritize and publish what they see fit. A funeral is not a press conference or an event for entertainment purposes. Images of people mourning, in perhaps a performative manner, for the cameras, does little to better understand the 'public mood' etc.
Personally, I think newspapers should be forced to run retractions on the same scale and in the same place in the publication as where the initial story was reported. This would force newspapers to ensure they are never forced to run a low-selling headline as an apology.
I think a lot of this also dovetails in with frustrations of things that are perhaps much more in the interest of people, away from the spectacle, are buried deep within newspapers. You need only look at how little coverage all the peace rallys in Norway got, versus the terrorists press shots and glamourising quotes, etc, etc..
but then I run a website which has a community which re-reported two tabloid journalists confirming something that wasn't being widely reported...
This is nothing... Yeah i agree that it should be left alone, but people want to see this shit, hence the press being there. The public would look at autopsy photos if they could.
If there was one thing I could take back in my life, it would be clicking on a link to read Elliott Smith's obituary. I started and felt so terrible that I had to turn off the computer and go for a walk. I felt ashamed.
i mean, autopsy