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This is about to get extremely international.
It seems like too many 'maybes' and 'mights' in the report. I'm tempted to say that this might be the Mirror trying to act like the cowardly little shit at the back of the gang who hides away until others have done the dirty work and who then doesn't want to look like a shirker.
However, there is now Pottergate: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1406429/Pottergate-we-publish-the-secret-tapes.html
it seems possible that they literally hacked every single person who might possibly have appeared in the news
*it seems possible that they literally hacked every single person
does that mean that all involved will be renditioned and put on trial in the States?
That would be interesting to see how quickly Just call me Dave would come to the assistance of his friend and neighbour if needed.
But I hope he's tried here. So, as much as I'd dearly like to see them feel a little US wrath, consistency and decency say 'I hope not'.
but it's not that severe. It's awful. It's an outrage.
I was just wondering what sleight of hand would occur if the US were to request the presence of Ms Brooks in their halls of justice. What back tracking and outrage would come from No 10 on the back of one of his mates being threatened with being black bagged.
a) Rupert Murdoch is sleeping with Rebekah Brooks, or
b) Rebekah Brooks is Rupert Murdoch's secret lovechild.
Seriously, though. how cringey is this?: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14100053
She's probably boffing James for good measure too.
Given that we know (from Brooks statement to staff on Friday) that worse is to come out, I suspect that the resignations have been planned so that James Murdoch is still left standing at the end.
are absolutely loving this.
Given how Cable got treated when he voiced his (secret) concerns, that The Sun continues to be read nationwide and that the furore is beginning to die down, I can well imagine support for Labour under his leadership will now be non-existent.
THAT was interesting.
despite Lord Ashcroft's attempts to drag him into it.
he also seems to be enjoying a bit of a poll bounce - Yougov put Labour nine points ahead of the Tories last week (with the Lib Dems on 8% :D). I think MPs generally sense public opinion has turned against News Int and that Murdoch's influence has been seriously weakened, which is why so many are queuing up to stick the boot in.
I liked his stance last week too, he just seems like one of those leaders who'll never get anywhere to me. And I could still see this coming back to bite him on the ass.
Who knows? I could also see a whole load of editors starting to do their jobs properly again at these papers and Murdoch having to remove his own views from their commentary a little more...
Vince cable was totally right in his secret comments but Ed used it for some point scoring
i think if miliband has one target here it's murdoch rather than cameron. the most successful aspect of scoring points of the tories is that it stings them into acting on a story they don't want to act on. yes it's nice to make cameron seem compromised and impotent, but that will fade pretty quickly. denying murdoch control of BSKYB would be a demonstrable victory that will ring for years.
Its just back during the vince scandel he was so quick to call for cable losing the bskyb decision, bit inconsistant
i misunderstood. yeah, i've not liked miliband's kneejerk behaviour for a while now. it made me realise that in reality solidly centrist leaders often find it easier to take action on left-wing issues when required, than leaders who are labelled as ostensibly left-wing, who seem to spend their whole time desperately overreacting in attempt to convince people they're not.
hopefully this event combined with ed's minor internal victories will help him find surer footing and more opportunity to act, rather than shooing his mp's back to their constituencies for the summer in an attempt to avoid a coup.
BBC business editor Robert Peston says one of the e-mails from News of the World suggests the newspaper's royal editor Clive Goodman asked for cash from then-editor Andy Coulson to buy a confidential directory of the royal family's landline telephone numbers.
The relevant e-mail implies that a police office in royal protection had stolen the directory, which is known as the Green Book and also contains numbers for the royal officials, and wanted £1,000 for it, our business editor reports."
Did we all see the crossword blunder? Also, how the FUCK did the paper sell 2 million MORE copies than usual?!?!? This country....
I hoped it was a boycott, but knew that was being too optimistic.
Not sure what this one is about.
according to Andrew Neil.
but that could be reet naughty.
As if Blair would be doing Brown a favour. At least Thatcher was relatively upfront about her goings ons. Blair was and is a slimey two-faced git of the highest order. The sooner he's dragged well and truly into this shitstorm the better.
obviously there are overlaps, but people are starting to see a little of the pressure that was piled on the brown and his supporters by the blairites and their right-wing cronies. remember that nu-labour died when brown too over according to blair...
the hardest part will be in the long term. in the short term bryant and watson are buzzing with new found name recognition with the casual political observer. how long that last and how much power the right wing press retains when the dust settles will determine with they can capitalise on this or end up sinking. the rewards could be huge though - they're the first labour mp's to distinguish themselves and both could have a bright future in the party.
implying that News International are leaking details of their investigation in an attempt to undermine it.
SOUNDS A BIT RUDE but yes, interesting if the bank account thing is true
I can see Miliband getting dragged into this if the Tories can claim that it was masterminded by Tom Baldwin.
Not the Times, didn't baldwin work for the Times?
Apparently Lord Ashcroft has been paying thousands of pounds to private investigators to try and find some dirt on Baldwin, and has been shovelling it all towards the Mail for a big expose if the Tories get too dragged into this.
How much longer is he going to wait? Till they are neck deep?
but it would have got lost amid all the NotW chatter.
like he runs a community charity for ex-cons or summat
."BBC told medical records of Gordon Browns son with cystic fibrosis illegally obtained + info then published by the Sun when Brooks in charge".
Confidential health records for Brown's family have reached the media on two different occasions. In October 2006, the then editor of the Sun, Rebekah Brooks, contacted the Browns to tell them that they had obtained details from the medical file of their four-month-old son, Fraser, which revealed that the boy was suffering from cystic fibrosis. This appears to have been a clear breach of the Data Protection Act, which would allow such a disclosure only if it was in the public interest. Friends of the Browns say the call caused them immense distress, since they were only coming to terms with the diagnosis, which had not been confirmed. The Sun published the story.
Five years earlier, when their first child, Jennifer, was born on 28 December 2001, a small group of specialist doctors and nurses was aware that she had suffered a brain haemorrhage and was dying. By some means which has not been discovered, this highly sensitive information was obtained by news organisations, who published it over the weekend before Jennifer died, on Monday 6 January 2002.
and the Sun accessed his son’s medical records.
therefore effectively requesting that it gets referred to the Competition Commission.
What does this effectively mean? That they are voluntarily delaying their proposed take over?
Or else they've been asked by the government to do so, to avoid Jeremy Hunt getting in a mess.
and all the pressure being heaped on hunt.
it's a blessing for the tories and even more nick clegg as it means the libdems won't vote against their coalition partners.
Ed Miliband is looking like a sulky child because he didn't get an advance copy.
Yet again I’m left wondering whether there is a more vile bunch of people in the UK.
Remind me never to go on the blog again - horrendous
Guido Fawkes is the blog set up by Paul Staines, and which is now mainly written by Harry Cole.
i've been reading a couple of telegraph blogs re. the lastest Hari thing (which i would not advise people to read) and fuuuck...they're quite something too sometimes. what it is about politics that attracts completely unthinking people? odd
i really want to troll the shit out of it but umm...i can't work out how to work disqus
Without a shadow of a doubt.
His commenters are a pretty sick bunch sometimes though, true.
And he's funny into the bargain.
What's not to like?
who likes to tell people that he's anti-establishment, when in fact he's deeply conservative cheerleader for big business.
That's what you're bringing up?
I'm well aware of what a dick Paul Staines is. I've met him, he is not likeable. But he's not racist, or a homophobe - that's just ridiculous. The guy's an advocate of drug legalisation and used to organise acid house raves back in the day, ffs, he's a libertarian. That might make him right-wing but you can't just assume that being right-wing means he's automatically prejudiced against minorities. He hates government above all else. It's a pretty consistent position and he's never really pretend to be anything else.
So he's a dick, but he's a dick who brings down politicians and takes delight in popping the Westminster bubble. We need more people like him, if anything.
you can be a homophobe without imagining yourself to be a homophobe. i dont know that he's a racist.
Fair play, that was fucking out of order.
And a cursory glance through his blog will show you that he (or maybe Harry Cole) has a virulently nasty streak of xenophobia in there - not to mention when Staines tried to form an alliance between the Young Conservatives and far-right groups.
He's a libertarian when it comes to government, but he's more than happy for big business to step in and be even more authoritarian.
If so that's a deeply strange argument. Of course someone being right-wing doesn't automatically hate them a minority-hater but someone supporting a couple of causes you happen to agree with doesn't automatically mean they aren't either.
I was saying that he's clearly not a conservative. Because he isn't.
i really hate liberalconspiracy too tbf. fucking sunny hundal grr. the political blogosphere is really just a big crock of shit isn't it?
this could very well be the end for the Murdoch empire if this gets before the right US circuit judge
does she have some serious dirt on them?
If News International concede she may have complicit or guilty by negligence for what went on at NotW there'd be calls for them to investigate what happened at the Sun whilst she was in charge. My guess is if they did so they're afraid of what they'd find (or perhaps already know what they'd find).
If they can contain this to the News of the World (now looking unlikely after recent developments) they close one paper down, open up a replacement and carry on as they were. If both their tabloids and perhaps even their broadsheets get caught up in it, it'd massively fuck up their ability to provide printed news in the UK and possibly lead to calls for them to audit the whole investigation to weed out the crooks...
I mean she might have serious dirt on them but I don't think that's necessary for them to feel the need to keep her out of it.
It's easy to go "Tories are evil, Murdoch's evil and they're gonna cover up for each other" but I'm not convinced that'll ultimately be the case - Cameron's relationship with News International is basically pragmatism - they wield an undue amount of influence over politics so Cameron (as with other Tory and Labour pms before him) tries not to piss him off.
But I doubt he actually likes having to kowtow to the guy - if a genuine opportunity arises to permanently undermine News International's influence on politics I reckon it very possible Cameron'd be as eager to take it as any other party leader although I suspect he'll stick to the fence unless he feels confident he can pull it off and avoid repercussions...
If he condemned them and severed ties, it'd reflect public opinion but that changes like the weather. I wonder whether the Mirror or the Guardian would ever praise him for it too. I seriously doubt it.
Ultimately it'd be a mistake for the Tories, from a PR perspective.
when we heard how NOTW hacked the phones of police investigating NOTW pi/suspect in a murder case Jonathan Rees
but nytimes goes even further and suggests police investigating phone-hacking itself were targeted
and has no-one mentioned the met statment that NI are *continuing* to undermine investigation
why did i think it was the met? not sure. that was what i cntrl+f-ed.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that News International were effectively gathering material for blackmail.
probably. Hugh Grant made interesting point about the Chris Bryant gaydar stuff coming out soon after he started off criticising NOTW. but i don't know how true that is (that he started crticising them that early)