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Obviously this is a terrible thing n all but how do they come up with such an astronomical figure? It seems ridiculous.
And pay every fucking penny of it
veers slightly more towards rape than it does sexual harrassment, tbh.
I'd firstly leave the company. Then beat the shit of of him. How the hell does this kind of thing happen?
the new house, the Ferrari. If you don't mind me asking, where did all your money come from?
Oh my boss wanked on my chest.
What I meant there is that the money could become a burden and a constant reminder of the assault. Albatross around her neck. Etc.
I'd let him video it as well.
He'd need a tripod though, unless he has some mirrors handy.
EVERYTHING about this case is depressing, including teh reaction of the numpties to it.
What is even more depressing is that the company, like most huge multinational companies, probably has insurance for nasty little hiccups like this, and won't even feel much of a pinch bar some raised premiums.
able to go to appeal on this and delay the payout?
Also, is this a civil court ruling? Can she still sue if it isn't and will that go against her winnings?
I see it was a federal ruling, how come he didn't get a prison sentence for assault? Surely restraining her would be deemed a criminal offence?
As for the payout- the award is only really nominal, because it is subject to the federal cap (of just over $40m, I think). Also, if the case goes to appeal, then any payout will most likely be held in escrow pending determination of the appeal.
One dollar for each potential life he spilled.
What a massive cunt.
hold me down and spunk on my face for a couple of million
She will be psychologically scarred and I guarantee she will not be in a fit state to work in an office environment for a long time. Surely that in itself deserves a just reason for her to be remunerated? She is the victim after all and I think she should be the one to choose whether or not she will donate the money. Not the state.
the award of that size acts as a massive deterent to other corporate cultures turning a blind eye to harrassment
Oh, never mind
instead of the money being given to the victim by the perpetrator(s) you think it should be given by the perpetrators to other victims of other perpetrators ? Who also presumably got no recompense for the acts perpetrated against them ??
that is a punishment fit for the crime, I think the company should be forced to pay (and large sums are the only way you can really hit a company hard) because they were alerted to the crimes being committed by the victim and still nothing was done, whether the money went to the victim or not is up to a court to decide, which it did, whether it was too much, again this is an American legal system and they aim high. At the end of the day the question is why was this man allowed to continue with the abuse for as long as he did and why is he still allowed to walk the streets after the fact.
sadly if this were in a British court of law, you would probably find this man would be in prison for a year and the victim would get a page in some awful women's mag.
the court could distribute some of the money to various causes or something (legal aid for other victims of sexual harassment etc.)
Obviously she should be compensated, but that amount of money being given to anyone makes me uncomfortable.
DISCLOSURE: I know hardly anything about this case
i'm all for victim renumeration but still find it pretty difficult to accept that any individual needs $43 million and tbf that money could do a lot of good in other places
probably aren't lucky enough to be in a position to sue
but at the same point the money acts as an incentive for victims to seek legal justice. If they were just remunerated for lost salaries and minor compensation then arguably a lot of people would probably rather not go through the ordeal of a three year legal battle or however long it was, and obviously it's more important that the guilty party is charged for this shit than it is that the victim receives proportionate compensation
you seem to have set off some kind of alarm
then there will be less victims for whom there can be a culture to be fostered. I dunno I agree there definitely seems to be that sort of culture hanging around in the US, but imo that's just because the government lets employers treat their employees like complete shit.
but a couple of million is more than enough for any one person, which leaves plenty to go elsewhere
but perhaps the court felt that, after cross-examining the victim, the award would be best served in her interests... perhaps they actually had no legal mechanism for awarding punitive damages to victim support funds - who knows
but let's not forget that not only does $95m cost to the perpetrators act as a deterrent to other corporate cultures, the $95m award acts as an incentive to prosecute instances against their person (though I can see how the amount of money involved my seem obscene to be awarded to a single person)
whatevs i'm better anyway
As if was in a different office at the time. Top shot!
pics of her?
everything about this just makes me feel sick.
There seems to be a real tangible undercurrent of women hatred in America- or something wrong with how gender is conceived of entirely, as evinced by our resident Yank nutcase. It comes up every time in virtually any topic which has anything remotely to do with sexual issues and politics. I don't know if I'm getting a false general impression about that as a result of spending too much time on the internet, but it seems much different even to how it is here.
"American Culture" - in the same way a Scot would claim to be very culturally different to some one from the south of England. I think that there is perhaps a particular "corporate culture" that does extend a bit further, and that in this case that is the negative factor. But then that could be bullshit as this doesn;t happen in every sales office in America.
I too am finding it hard to see the funny side of this.
I'm offended by that generalization
BAN REQUEST MOTHERFUCKER.
only really going off the internet though. So maybe its just the internet. For example this is one of the first replies on the thread i got this from...
So one day he thinks to himself, 'hey, imma go slap her wit ma peen.' How the situation even presented the guy this opportunity is a mystery already. Then some hours go by, as if that incident wasn't bad enough, and then he holds her down and jerks on her titties? So what happened in that time frame? How did she get herself in a spot where he would HOLD HER DOWN? Did she decide to back into the stock room or something?
There's something really weird here. Maybe they were having an illicit encounter at work, and she decided that she couldn't risk office gossip ruining her job so she preemptively sued for harassment.
I'm a regular reader of stuff on reddit, and while an online community like reddit full of American nerds and CS students should never be used to gauge reality, sometimes the prevailing attitude amongst American users on that site is often very strange. Take this thread, for instance: http://bit.ly/lkeAMS. Firstly, the question is >If a person cannot be held responsible when they consent to having sex while drunk, how come they are held liable when they decide to drive while drunk?< and over 5000 people have deemed it an agreeable enough question to upvote it. In the comments there are lots of reasonable and coherent points, but amongst them are a significant amount of very strange ones that vary from having incredibly skewed outlooks to being outright misogynistic in tone. There are A LOT of people acting as if the real issue is false rape accusations, how men have somehow been wronged in various situations, and searching for ways in which women are somehow culpable.
Not sure whether to post but spent too long on this now so going to post anyway.
is worse than making a few (dubious) jibes on the internet?
I need it for my DiS ethics web
you adopting a moral highground when it comes to sexual harrassment issues etc seems pretty odd when you keep a web chronicling people's (private) sexual activities (i'm guessing without the vast majority's consent).
the fact remains that opening up paint and thinking it'd be a good idea to set this all to a web is still creepy. to then share and distribute it via PMs or whatever is then also a violation of privacy if not everyone included has okayed your making/having/distributing this web.
and yes, like i said, i like you a lot an'all - i just find the web stuff really unpleasant.
but we can probably both agree that it's 1) pretty morally dodgy if you're sharing it (which you obviously have done, otherwise why bother making it?) without the people involved's consent and 2) kind of nasty/not very '''''''''nice'''''''''.
and throwing yourself in among them and generally being a sex-pest is also well documented - anecdotally at least
I believe the gist is something about judge not lest ye be judged
I don't judge at all - each to their own
knowing that female users are seeing it
>implying the issue was the 'mad person' and not the person being brutally decapitated in public
But this is the first time I've ever read about a woman being pinned down and ejaculated on by her boss. Depressingly regularly? I think not.
but there's plenty of evidence to suggest sexual abuse in the work place, both off cases and systematic, happens a lot, and is a very difficult issue to tackle. One off crazy man- not such a serious issue. Difference between one man falling into the sea as a result of erosion and one man getting hit by lightning.
but mental illness is fairly widespread
however I'm not sure how effectively sudden crazy attacks can be tackled. You can talk about better mental healthcare provision and tighter supervision, but ultimately no matter how good these things are you're always going to have one or two nutcases who aren't accounted for who then decide to decapitate someone.
You can of course say the same thing about the St Louis case- but I don't think they bear much comparision. It's not about random spikes of madness but sustained atmospheres of harrassment which few have the will to tackle.
I mean, someone did die.
Jesus, you're a tit.
Go to the cheese thread, some gold in that.
Someones humour not being to everyones taste blowned up out of all proporation sensation!
No harm done
I hope everyone making jokes about this thread get beheaded
I particularly enjoyed ho fo's contributions and eagerly await a thread by King Herod on the subject of responsible childcare.
I hope she gets offered some financial advice.
I'd hate to think of spunking it all up the wall.
it's not the casual sexism that bothers me in this thread, nor is it the humourless and strident gender politics that follow it: what really grates is the spelling of 'masturbated' in the title.
or just humourless gender politics?
I always thought there weren't enough laughs in Das Kapital
"tell a joke, you twat!"
only noticed it once i'd posted it.
Comedy riffing or po-faced arguing?
should be stuffed and held over for posterity........but let me ask one question..........creepy and dodgey and nasty though it may be.........if you knew it existed, how many of us WOULDN'T sneak a look at Ho_Fo's fabled chart if it existed and were lying around?...........i mean just beacause pirate treasure might have been looted and pillaged at the expence of ravaging and killing humans, doesnt mean everyone would refuse to look at a pirate treasure map
where no one can find it
luckily she has been more than adequetly recompensed by the USA (so it cant be uniformly backward on sexism.......as suggested somewhere in this thread) in that she has the resources to now rebuild and reconstruct her life, even if it will now be informed by her horrible experiance......she could throw herself into campaigning and helping other women (or setting up some organisation that helps women, who might have similar problems with getting their companies to take their problems seriously.......by doing this SHE can turn around a bad thing that happened in her life into something positive, so that SHE regains control on her terms (albeit her terms will have been altered by the experiance that she has had)....I know bamnan's suggestion was that the bulk of the money should officially go to an organisation directly, but htis way it enables/empowers the individual to do that, which will help her to recover from being 'a victim'..........that would be the best outcome, anyway.......ho fo just needs someone to 'tame' him
special interest music website during office hours, rather than working.