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My all time favourite player. Thanks for everything, sleep well ginger prince.
One of the best players this country's ever produced.
Started to tear up a bit.
but it's the right time for him to go. Good to see he's been given a shot at a coaching job though.
Paul Scholes would have been one of my first choices for putting together a great team - that goes to show how highly I have always rated him. He would have been one of the first players I’d have bought, given the chance. - Marcello Lippi
I am not the best, Paul Scholes is. - Edgar Davids
Scholes is undoubtedly the best midfielder of his generation. - Zinedine Zidane
Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes - he is the best midfielder of his generation, I would have loved to have played alongside him. - Pep Guardiola
Paul Scholes is my favourite player. He epitomises the spirit of Manchester United and everything that is good about football. - Sir Bobby Charlton
Scholes is the best English player. Intelligence, technique, strength... all the attributes are there. At Manchester United I saw what he could do on the training field. Phew! - Laurent Blanc
and feinted into a handsome gentleman's arms after saying that.
I cannot believe he went his whole career without any individual awards. I also cannot believe that England shunted him out to the left wing.
Would have had to blow all his wages on sun block.
i remember when owen was at Real and he'd obviously learnt a few more skills.
same goes for gerrard and lampard. could have been better players.
yes ALL. no exceptions...
but i still think he would have learned different things abroad. ALL england players should give it a go, even if its only for a season or two.
when they were piling the pressure on. Giving away silly penalties cost them in the end. Well done to Swansea, though.
Really thought I was going to be £200 richer when the second went in, Welsh bastards.
presumably in celebration of the fact his team won't be featuring on Channel 5 next season. Even Giggs' missus will soon have six more league winners' medals than him.
Maybe a subtle dig at Arsenal, not United.
that's the signal we do to you when singing "We won it five times".
Even despite our monumental decline and your sustained dominance over the last 20 years, we've won more European Cups than you.
Europe wasn't even our priority but we still conquered it. Amazing, really.
so it kind of balances out
but at least you can comfort yourselves with tales of 30-year-old triumphs. That '5x JFT96' banner in the Barca end on Saturday was a shocking effort, by the way.
We've always had a close bond with the Barca fans over the last few years. Great to see the supporters clubs working together.
Lots of common ground I suppose. Both been traditionally shunned by the establishment in favour of our horribly corporate rivals.
Really good form from Fergie yesterday, btw, trying to sing "Are you watching Merseyside?" down a broken microphone. I'm so glad how different our clubs are.
Rebels in today's corporate world of football
I suppose being an Arsenal fan you'll have a lot of close family and friends who support United. Fair enough.
No Man Utd fans in our family I'm happy to report.
Good to see you have properly taken to this being-a-Liverpool-fan thing you're trying out these days by living in an utter dream world.
We're both World Famous for the beautiful way we play our football.
Coupled with the Rafalution, there was a great Spanish influence on our club recently. And we embraced our Catalan cousins.
They've in turn embraced us back, by carrying Liverpudlian banners and, for the players, dedicating their win to our fans (Mascherano said it was for Liverpool, good lad, and now Dave Villa's said it's for Pepe's daughters [Kopites], so that proves it beyond any doubt).
David Cameron and Barack Obamas relationship.
Keep convincing yourself
Can't really begrudge them their victory though, completely shafted our full backs and creaky defence. Dowd was an embarrassment, gave Swansea everything including a baffling freekick against Shane Long from which they went and scored their second. Reading so unlucky hitting the post at 3-2 :(
Great atmosphere though. The Swansea fans were astonishingly loud and will be a credit to the PL. Amazing scenes amongst the Reading fans when we were going for the equaliser.
Saw Neil Lennon in the crowd, he's going to nab Long isn't he? :(
Also on Sunday I accidentally stumbled upon the Barcelona victory parade :D Have a photo http://i.imgur.com/SkUB6.jpg
and the competition as whole?
check out the stats for the most amount of passes in the competition. the top 8 all play for barca. scary.
seeing as in the final he was outpassed about 3-1 by nearly every barca midfielder.
Maybe he actually does something useful every now and again?
just not that good.
It's just that those circumstances are when you're already winning a game
Doesn't fit into the United system particularly well really, which is fine against the smaller teams, but when you go up against Barca it really gets found out. He's expected/needed to be a more defensive/tough tackling midfielder than he really is, with the attacking nature of the rest of the midfield. Interceptions and simple passing aren't gonna do the job with quality players running at you.
He's consistently used in the wrong system, he needs to be a 'passer' in a 5-man midfield. He's really popular in Spain. Pretty useless in a 4-4-2 though (see Saturday).
he was brilliant when man u had ronaldo, tevez and rooney ahead of him.
he was superb against chelsea and schalke amongst others with Giggs next to him. I don't even think he was that bad on Saturday either, he certainly seemed to get stuck into the game more than anyone else.
But I am generalising slightly. Thanks for the ^this. ;)
I heard some bloke on the radio yesterday say that the FA should leave FIFA and that if they did they'd probably have some other FAs follow them. Ideally this'd be the 'big' FAs like germany, france etc., although he said the Irish and Australian FAs would be more likely. I think 'we' should. Not only would we be making a stand against Blatter/FIFA, but we wouldn't be allowed to play international matches, which would mean that we wouldn't have to endure the pre-/post-england match nonsense that goes on in this country. Considering that most folk don't give a shit about the naitonal team anymore, i reckoin this'd be a small price to pay.
Rather than failing to challenge Blatter/Bin Hamman and then announcing they wouldn't vote for either of them as if they were moral guardians for the sport.
DiS is not the world.
DiS seems to be a relative hotbed of enthusiasm for the national team compared to the disillusionment that prevails elsewhere.
given how regularly you go to games. SAFETY WINK.
i'm sure i converse with just as many 'fans' as you, and the loss of interest in the team to some extent is widespread.
Anyways, whatevs. Wink noted.
hence the disillusionment. We were an utter embarressment as i recall...
Plenty of chavs, kids, White men with ven and teens are all still well keen. My estate is littered with England flags up everywhere.
i think you should name and shame.
More to international football than England (thankfully)
best thing that could come from it would be havingn a breakaway 'commonwealth' federation with its own tournament, in which Michael Chopra would get a late winner against us for India
Any competition in which we could play Belize is fine by me.
Which is about as likely to happen any time soon as Blatter developing a conscience.
...the Championship Play Off Final shows itself to be the greatest game in English football.
I thought the Champions League Final was very dull. Barca didn't play that brilliantly either, pretty efficient really. 2009 was a mercurial performance. That wasn't.
I wank off this current Barca team as much as the next man. I just thought that on Saturday that, aside from Messi, they merely put in a very good performance as opposed to the brilliant performances they are capable of. Such as the 2nd leg against Arsenal earlier this year, particularly the 2nd half. Never seen football like it...
Maybe I'm just being ungrateful, but at least I'm judging them by the standards they themselves have already set...
Might be because they were on their best behaviour though. They can be a truly wonderful thing to watch when Busquets and Alves don't spend 15 minutes playing dead.
and both sides aren't willing to turn the game into a grudge match.
I just thought they dispatched of United very efficiently (and they had a bit of a ragged first half by their standards) which while very admirable, wasn't world-beatingly epic... Maybe I expected too much.
But yes fair point on the cheating. Iniesta was at it the most on Saturday though. Awful chap.
His one-touch passing is as good as it gets.
still a total prick that i'm never going to like.
Just in case Swansea fans weren't enjoying this morning enough
letting off flares, singing songs about being better than Liverpool, having a go at us for being from London.
We offered one of them a biscuit and he threw it against a wall. No respect.
was to your original post btw, not your oops.
Their promotion means Johnny Foreigner might stop making reference to the 'EPL' and it is quite funny that they and not Cardiff are the first Welsh team to make it to the Premier League. Plus, I *should* like Brendan Rodgers and the Liberty Stadium might make for an interesting away day ...
But it IS Swansea, though. Hmmm.
Out of the four semi-finalists they looked easily the most interesting package- I've never been thrilled by Reading and Forest were only going to pitifully self-combust.
And now we can get the whole Welsh team in the Premier League out of the way and safely relegate them back to where they belong next season. If Cardiff get up they're liable to hang around like a Guinness shit for a while.
I fucking hate Charlie Adam.
I mean he crunched Overrated PFA Player of the Year Gareth Bale's ankle the other week but that was defended by H. Redknapp himself...
He's a bit dirty like but he's not that bad...
Just seems to think he's better than he actually is, as Stephen Hunt's implying. I don't like that.
...but he's WAY more of a cunt than Charlie Adam will ever be so it's all a bit of a LOL.
elbowed Sam Vokes in the Wales game. That might have something to do with it.
Hunt is a cunt though. I love the little ragamuffin. Always looks like he's about to pull a fiddle out from behind his back.
Once the SHOCK that powerful people are slightly corrupt washes out, I find very little to get upset about personally.
Probably both, it's all interminable anyway
you just wait til the transfer window opens
score some good goals, ultimately concede far too many. Get sent down.
So yep, pretty much.
mumbles mile and some stretches of the blackpool seafront are similar...
The best English player of my generation I think. If he could have tackled, he would have been the complete midfielder. I haven't seen a better passer of the ball in an England shirt and in his pomp, his long range shooting was fearsome. Such a shame that he got shifted onto the left side of midfield for England. Had he been Italian or French, they'd have built the side around him.
it was just a familiar attempt to try and shoehorn as many similar players into midfield as possible. Certainly he didn't have as much of an impact from the left, but 13 goals in his first 40 appearances from centre midfield is a pretty impressive return.
He had to make way for Stevie G-Unit and Fatty Lamps because if they didn't both play, at the expense of the whole team, the world would end or something.
Don't get me wrong, Lampard and Gerrard are fine players but Scholes does the job of both of them and does it better than either of them so... not sure why Sven sacrificed him. Maybe that caused his early international retirement too...
The thing is, in the vintage United midfield you had Becks getting most of the press feigning, Giggs coming in a close second with everyone honking off Keane for his 'fearless captain' schtick. Scholes didn't get half the attention but he was a better, more consistent player for that United team than all of them. And by some distance if you ask me.
Obviously Beckham had the Hollywood crosses/free kicks and Giggs had the dribbling but I'd have Scholes over all of 'em. Spellbinding player.
put simply, Scholes is the one English player who in his prime, would fit into Barcelona's midfield seemlessly.
Further proof that Xavi is the complete package.
...Iniesta was the greatest man on the field. And he had a better World Cup.
But as a whole, Xavi is a superior player. The key separator is that there are several players in the world who can do the job that Iniesta does. I don't think there's anyone who does the job Xavi does for Barca... Can't think of a player like him.
3. the rest
I love the fact you've put 'The Rest' all at 3. This, technically, means that Gael Clichy is the 3rd best footballer in the world.
love him or (more likely) hate him, surely has to be right up near the top of anyone's list.
not as good as iniesta tho.
YOU'RE incorrect. can't believe i had to say that.
...I think that had Owen Hargreaves stayed fit and played to the top of his game for years, he'd have slotted seemlessly in too.
What's a moider?
Fucking site... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/30/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-crisis
Bit torn on that if true. He's decent, but if reports that we've bid £10m+ are correct then maybe we could have got better. Right sort of player, remains to be seen if he's the right man for the job though.
The exact defender you need, specifically, that exact one.
I like Samba, I really do. But I think he is at his level now and there's a reason he's not gone to a bigger club before now. He's very, very slow.
I'd thought the area it'd be best for Arsenal in is attacking corners and set-pieces.
But considering they tend to concede from counters or set-pieces I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
and the stronger teams will tend to concede a disproportionate number of their goals from them- I think it's often overstated as a weakness in top sides. It's just that, given how much easier it is to practice a free kick or corner, even the best defences and teams can look like mere mortals when a high ball is swung in.
As for counters, I think Samba could potentially make that worse. He'll struggle to get back from a high line particularly quickly.
To shore up, I'd say Arsenal need a better deep-lying/defensive midfielder (Song is a DM by name and Sky Sports graphic only) and a lower backline, with some players who can actually hold a line (so definitely not Clichy and, improved at tackling as he has, probably not Djourou either).
Just my opinion, like.
Your first point is bang on for the most part, I do think it's an issue for Arsenal though. Yea the top teams are going to concede a lot less from open play so set-pieces are highlighted but Arsenal do have an issue with them that goes further than the normal bending of statistics in that sense. The Chelsea, Utd etc don't struggle as much with a Stoke or Blackburn as Arsenal do
because he's 'out of favour' at Chelsea ... Where he was injured for four months and then ousted Luiz in the first XI at the end of the season.
YAY, TRANSFER SILLY SEASON IS HERE!
is a good defensive midfielder when he's actually deployed as one, which hasn't happened since the season before last.
or just that Song's too stupid to stick to his position. Maybe having a terrifying, Congolese giant behind him, yelling at him to stay put, will help.
its the panic that sets in to the ENTIRE team in the last 10 mins.
he came out near the start of the season saying that Wenger had asked him to get forward more.
and also the fact that i want our defenders to be better at flicks and back heels than heading or posistioning.
Surely he wouldn't be entitled to severance pay if there were genuine concerns about his health?
Pop star Shakira has taken to the stage with boyfriend Gerard Pique and some of the other stars of Barcelona football club, to celebrate the team's Champions League victory at the weekend.
Shame, the guy always offered a good interview and I was interested to see how he'd do with Villa over the long run.
i've never heard anyone else who manages to speak some words with a heavy heavy french accent, and then change halfway through the sentence speak with a PERFECT english accent. no one else in football sounds like him.
Houllier's my kind of manager. Generally honest and insightful - he'd just managed to turn Villa round when he fell ill. It's a shame he won't be able to continue the work next season. Would quite like to see the job go to McAllister.
Best passer of the ball I've ever seen. Unassuming and ginger, a true fecking gem - if he had been Latin and dark haired he'd be regarded as one of the best ever. He should be anyway.
Was jealous of Red Nev when he got to kiss him bang on the lips last year.
That is all.
Spot the naughty bit....
Scholes is an asthmatic and suffered from Osgood–Schlatter disease, a knee condition that affects young athletes. He married his childhood sweetheart, Claire (née Froggatt), in Wrexham in February 1999,and they have three children, Arron, Alicia and Aiden.The family live in Saddleworth.
Scholes' personality off the field has been described as "shy" despite the fact he allegedly loves to take it up the bum and his lifestyle is seen to be stereotypical to the lifestyles of a professional footballer. Scholes, who in a rare interview before Euro 2004 described his ideal day as "Train in the morning, pick up my children from school, play with them, have tea, put them to bed and then watch a bit of TV."
In 2009 Scholes was caught speeding and received six penalty points. After failing to respond to either a court notice or summons, he was fined £525 for failing to provide driver identification documents, plus £60 costs and a £15 court fee
Man Utd - Leaden grey skies, torrential rain, a faulty microphone and about 97 fans
Barca's - Sunny and warm, Shakira doing sexy things and a packed Nou Camp
Think about that.
A midfield of Poga, Tunni and Morrison to annihilate Barca in 2 years. You heard it hear first.
but screw you guys, i'm upset about Scholes.
so i never properly got to see him be very good, but i highly doubt he'd ever have been able to fit in the barca midfield anywhere
hypocritical of people to criticise/hate players like stephen hunt or de jong and wank over him too. far less dangerous
and the fact Xavi hero worships him - Scholes = very, very good. My dad says he's the most technically gifted midfielder he's ever seen play live, and only second to (going from TV obvs) Zidane. He's a WHam fan btw, don't know if that adds weight to his opinion or renders it utterly invalid.
God knows what Stevie will get.
Scholes - could pick a pass and welly a volley in every 10 games or so.
Stevie - all that, plus the ability to tackle, cross, the pace to run the wings, the skill to embarrass defenders, the touch, and to grab his team by the collar and drag them into victory, almost single-handedly. Oh, and Stevie never got his knob out.
Sorry, gonna need a surname.
those cross field balls that stevie loves so much scholes does about 10 a game and no one even bats an eyelids. Stevie gets one out of 20 right and the whole of Anfield creams its pants.
in both meanings of the phrase