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im at work til late :(
here you are you'll probs need a thread for it anyway.
A LOAD OF SHITE
it'll either cheer me up or elevate my mood, depending on the outcome...
cus I've been palying some shit facebook game. I'll iplayer it once it's up.
I thought they were going to do more with Rory going on about how Amy always knows he's going to be looking for her, then her actually asking for The Doctor to help via the brain message thing. It seemed like a good plot point and they just kind of sandbagged it.
...I think the phrase "WTF" (as I believe the "kids" on "da street" say) has never been as appropriate.
Another big ol' mess if you ask me.
Pointless opening sequence to make you think 'Oh no everyone is dead!', but these shocks only work when they could be true and don't get resolved 30 seconds later. Also, the Doctor would surely never authorise the genocide of a race, no matter what they'd done. The ending came out of nowhere - seeming like a wasted chance, though we'll obviously see them again - and the whole 'does Amy love Rory thing' was not written ambiguously enough to make any sense.
It felt like someone throwing everything at a story and setting it against some American landmarks to get people interested in what was coming next as opposed to a decent bit of storytelling.
The ending was suitably 'WTF?!?!' as mentioned above, but I kind of just want a 45 minute storyline now to get back on track rather selfishly. I'm all for interwoven plot strands and stories that work over a season rather than a mere episode, but it's all going a bit 'Lost'. This is admittedly coming from someone who never watched that mind...
The Silence come from somewhere else and all that was done was to declare war on them and start a revolution from the enslaved people.
he's prepared to roll out epic destruction if needed, and an enemy the dr can't remember and is palpably evil definitely qualifies for that.
as to the WTF ending, i still think there are unresolved issues about where amy came from and how she ended up in that house on her own. maybe her parents were lost through one of the cracks but if so why wasn't she? i think it's decidedly possible that she was put there and that she's entirely more than she appears.
...there's still one or two loose ends tied up in that house. The "extra" room that appears out of the corner of the eye, the staircase that appears to lead to a third floor that doesn't show on the exterior of the house...
One thing I have noticed while re-watching last series is that, entirely coincidental or otherwise, some buildings throughout the series seem to have a slight Tardis-like appearance (Amy's house - blue and white coloured - as is the building next to the cafe in the Van Gogh episode. I'm pretty sure that the windows near the ceiling of the orphanage staircase this weekend had Tardis-door style windows.
Of course, now I've brought it up, it'll turn out to be nothing and I'll look like a right tit.
MUST be massively important later on. Also, reckon there's anything in Rory being called 'stupid face' a lot? Probably not, but just seemed a weird thing to point out a few times. Maybe it's a red herring. Or else I'm reading into things that are merely nothing...
"It's all going a bit 'Lost'"
No flashforwards plz.
Upon rewatching, this was great. Lots of issues I had with it were hidden away in bits of dialogue or one liners that I'd just missed due to various explosions.
Amy is still far from being resolved. Her house, prisoner zero, the woman in the hatch saying 'She's just dreaming', Rory not remembering bits of his time looking after her as if a 'door was opening and closing', The Silence telling her in that spaceship that 'You will bring The Silence'... All points to her being the crux, and that's without her managing to be both not and also 100% pregnant.
River is also a bad ass. It's always been hinted at but she's clearly a whole heap of trouble. She told Rory last episode to 'imagine how it'd feel being a little girl when an old wise man came into your life'. Hmmm... She killed someone, we know that. Could she have been imprisoned all her life for killing the man she'd grow to love? It's a bit obvious potentially, but this is a kids programme. Also, their first last kiss was really sad on rewatch.
Though not as sad as the look on Rorys face when Amy tells him to peg it. That exchange on rewatch was beautifully sad.
Other great things:
The Nixon scene where Canton mentioned wanting to marry a black man. The guy who played the deranged warden in the kids home. That whole scene in general being very scary and good. The Doc rewiring Apollo 11.
The Doctor also mentions when he sees the spaceship that he's seen one before and wonders why it was unmanned? Perhaps it's the one they are in? The missus also pointed out that the spaceship needed a Timelord to fly it. Are they holding Amy there until she gives birth to (half a) one?
He also mentons that they ought to go after that young girl but that he knows she'll find them anyway, answering that concern someone had it being unDoctor like to do it.
So yeah, in hindsight it's wicked. Vague theory:
Amy gives birth to girl. Girl has taken on traits on Time travel potentially. Girl is River. River is approached by an older Doc who puts her in a suit to protect her. Girl kills him (taking his ability to regenerate?). Girl is imprisoned for it by lots of sad alien races, where she gradually grows up trying to make amends for her crime having now worked out who he was.
Not sure how they'll continue though as that still leaves The Doc dead? Or are there two split dimensions and that's why Pond is pregnant / not pregnant?
No idea. I still have a gut feeling that The Silence may not be altogether evil either. I loved on Confidential how their design was taken from eye witness accounts of little green men and The Scream painting, as if people had kinda seen them before but weren't sure how.
One final thing. Amy makes a great CIA agent. Spin off crime drama please BBC America. Next week she's dressing up as a pirate too. Awesome...
It obviously added some fun and showed off the U.S. but if they had Nixon onside, why the need for a 3 month charade?
Still, I'll let that one slide.
This series looks awesome though, dunnit? Toby Haynes direction has been great and his love of classic 80s flicks is coming to the fore. That cluster of aliens on the ceiling was pure Alien. And the lighting has been superb. Glad that the storyline next week will be a bit more kiddy to stop the series being too hard work for children (and my Dad) but it's really good telly.
the Time Lord's Daughter or something? Wonder if we might get some resolution/semi resolution on the little girl in relatively short order.
I quite enjoyed both episodes... I watched them both for first time yesterday, bit messier than you'd really like for an hour and a half mini film type thing, but loads of good stuff there, hopefully there's a bit more stand alone-isn-ness to come in the next couple of episodes, mind.
with the complete power of the internet before me, I should probably have just looked that up. STILL!
But I rewatched and agree with your first line about how much more there was in the dialogue than I picked up on first time.
Haven't we always assumed River had to have killed the Doctor as her crime? Maybe I just thought we had. I thought this last year when they said she'd killed the best person ever or something, that as they're meeting in reverse her first meeting with the Doctor might be when she is determined to kill him and he has compassion because he has known her for so long?
but so much so that she probably didn't kill the doctor.
like she's imprisoned for killing 'a hero to many' and the 'best man' she's ever known. TOO FUCKING OBVIOUS.
fair play to the US, even on a bank holiday they still take the bin out.
especially if rumours are correct and River is Amy and Rory's daughter. The only way i can think of her knowing a man greater than the Dr is like, if she were really closely related to him and he was a bit of an underrated hero (like Rory is), you know how most women seem to think their dad is the best man in the world and stuff. Idk. They killed Rory last series though so I can't see it happening again.
It would make the whole her and the Doctor romantically involved thing so much more believeable. As it is she looks like an old woman preying on a young man with special needs (because the Doctor is a bit odd isn't he. In a good way though).
...spot the person who never watched Moll Flanders.
but could river be prisoner zero?
- Interesting how Steven Moffat seems to be adopting the X-Files mould of storytelling with big confusing mythology episodes that are going to confuse anyone who hasn’t been watching closely sitting alongside standalone episodes that anybody can jump on board with. I’m completely ok with this, and it seems like the natural development following the RTD years where you would just get a little hint or two per episode and then have everything nicely wrapped up by the final episode. I haven’t had such intense debates about a TV show since Lost was in it’s hey day so I’m rather enjoying it.
- Amy has really come along since last year and seems a lot more sympathetic, whilst Rory is becoming more and more awesome with every appearance. Goes without saying that Matt Smith is simply wonderful and that River Song is the sassiest bitch on television.
- I thought Canton was great and would very much like to see more of him in the future. I also liked the way that Nixon was just used as a minor comedic character to get them out of sticky situations.
- SO many unanswered questions, but I’m ok with that. I’m pretty confident that things are going to get wrapped up eventually and that Moffat knows what he’s doing.
- The little girl and the regeneration and the death of the Doctor and the pregnancy are all going to be massive going forwards but I’m particularly intrigued by the woman in the hatch. That was very David Lynch-ian I thought. She was played by Frances Barber who is pretty famous and I believe turning up for a couple of eps later in the series.
- Toby Haynes is amazing and his work across the last five episodes has been truly magnificent. Fingers crossed he’ll be back on directing duty next year. The series looks incredible now.
- Surely after the big shoot out at the end the TARDIS crew should have immediately forgotten about the Silents? And how would River have known to spin around and shoot the last one there?
- In The Big Band River doesn’t recognise Rory, but she spends a lot of time with him in these episodes. Unless this is after The Big Band in her timeline. It’s never really stated I guess…but her whole timeline confuses the hell out of me. Some people seem to think that they are moving in completely opposite directions, but that can’t be the case as they wouldn’t need diaries if so. I DUNNO.
- The BBC needs to put this on at 7pm every week, and not surround it with shit programming. 6 is just too early and too bright out and people are clearly missing it. I know overnight viewing figures don’t matter these days but it would still be great if it was in its proper place in the schedules.
- Looking forward to some pirates and a normal adventure now…
Especially the bit about Canton. Though I am really excited about the companions going back to a mere duo for a while.