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Sydenham Rd is literally 100 yards from my house.
so probs not. heading down stokes croft in 10 or so tho
QUOTE: One protester, 39-year-old Richard Ayres, said: "I received three blows to my legs and a blow to my head for which I have received hospital treatment."
He said he joined the protest to "show solidarity to those who had been treated violently" during the previous protests. UNQUOTE.
Yeah, of course you did.
If these cunts don't like Tesco, nobody is forcing them to stop there. They have no right to riot, attack the police, damage private property and irritate the fuck out of the majority of SC types who either want the shop to open or don't really care either way.
They should have disguised it as a Job Centre Plus instead.
the police have been a bit harsh though in some cases. They hit my friend when I tried to get home (reasoning that he was involved would mean he wouldn't be treated as a criminal)
and last night my friend had to stay at mine cos the police wouldn't let him home.
what come out of both riots for most people i've spoken to is that it was terribly policed. that's not the police are deliberately malevolent or anything like that, but all sorts of decisions from using mostly Welsh policeman who didn't know the quite complex area enough to arrest what started off as a few isolated trouble-makers to the decision to attempt the squat clearance at night on the day before easter weekend, really helped to kickstart/accellerate the problems. idk, it's a real shame.
all helped to
Also they weren't really JUST to do with tescos. It's weird that people keep trying to decide which side their on, with a riot (albeit a pretty small-scale one) you can't really say i agree w/ the rioting or i don't 'cause i'm sure even a lot of the actual rioters wouldn't entirely agree w/ it in the morning. in the first case, and to an extent the second, it wasn't a deliberate, planned political protest, it just something that happened due to a complex set of causes.
+ lots of excessive police violence, as even the head of avon & somerset police (forgot his name) admitted there might have been.
(all this isn't to say that specific rioters weren't massive, massive dick-shafts.)
yeh, but why did people start throwing bottles at the police? surely that's a pretty reductive explanation?
then tried to evict some people (as I understand it). Sounds fair enough to me.
*potential petrol bombs, according their press release. so could be anything really.
but yeh the principle behind that part sounds fair enough to me too.
i've got to go out now, and i've realised i kind of hate myself for writing long rambling trolling posts on music forums so i'm going to stop. have a nice day.
and i do think violence is absolutely 100% bad in all and every circumstance. i completely agree w/ that.
*except self-defence i guess.
for instance - the police once sniffed and tasted a small bottle of blowing bubbles that I was innocently blowing bubbles from, in the street.......there were three of them and they questioned me in a heavy handed manner......extrapolating this upwards, I have no doubt that it would be possible that if the police found a parafin heater with parafin can full of parafin and some empty milk bottles in the property then the police that were interrogating me would have no problems in interpreting the finds in the squat as petrol bombs.
Which is a shame as it is equally possible that people might have been intending to make some petrol bombs, unfortunately the quality of the police is not as even and uniform as their clothing uniform would suggest so it is impossible to tell from the news reports, although fullerov's comment sounds like a useful anecdote.....we just need many more 'trustwothy'anecdotes to paint a fuller picture
Them poor old police
i would actually broadly agree w/ this post too tho.
apart from the tone, and dodgy jibes at the unemployed.
it's not a jibe at the unemployed, it's a jibe at professional job dodgers, whether they be trustafarians or full time protesters. You know the type, those people that don't want anything to with the state at all. Other than the welfare payments, obviously.
and lobbing bricks at coppers/vandalising private property with your mates.
Move along now son, that Rage Against The Machine long sleeve tee isn't going to iron itself.
Compare a Sainsbury 'italian style' Pepperoni Pizza to a Tesco one. Sainsbury will win.
Maybe produce was the wrong word - I meant meat/fish etc. Tesco stuff has been consistently worse for me.
I'm thinking specifically of these ones: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/3031537046_f791e3b5d2.jpg
They taste horrible, look stupid, and none of the cheese ever melts properly.
oh man, i'm really not making any friends in this thread am i?
They are delicious and the best budget/frozen pizza
and is better?
idk whether it's covered in the royal wedding thread 'cause i haven't opened it but is it a coincidence that all these squat clearances (the police are back again today! even after last night) are happening right before the royal wedding. for bristol, probably. but a similar pattern is happening in london w/ squats and known 'trouble-makers' like Chris Knight (who admittedly is a bit of dick) being arrested for little reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOli98fgBP0
is this a misguided attempt to make sure the royal wedding runs smoothly. and if so, why? like, i struggle to understand why normal people are bothered but i'd also be confused as to why political mechanisms would be used to 'clamp down' moreso for this specific event. surely it's not going to bother Kate & Willy if someone miles away is protesting? odd.
and I don't think it's much of a surprise that the police are back to clear them out today.
i would agree yeah in terms of bristol. and i kind of wrote that quickly. thinking about it that does go into a particularly stupid way of talking about all politics as if it was london-centric.
but idk, i guess i thought/wondered whether there was a general trend to do w/ earlier protests, police actions on cracking down on supposed 'dissidents/troublemakers' due to those protests and fears about royal wedding protests and then the protests in bristol largely as a response to those police fears (obviously in bristol not a fear about royal wedding protests, but more general worries about dissidents etc. coming from March 26th etc, and stemming up to the royal wedding). That was something other people have said, and I was wondering whether there was any merit in it, and to be honest not sure there is, certainly the royal wedding link unravelled as i typed it in the post above, but idk at the same time in Bristol, it basically kicked off because of an unrelated large police presence (the telepathic heights squat was nothing to do w/ the no-to-Tesco campaign right?) for seemingly no reason on the night before a bank holiday weekend...which allowed for anti-Tesco sentiment to be discharged, rather than it all being all originating from anti-tesco feeling.
so yeh, i'm still not sure that some of that more general trend of police anxiety about civil disquiet didn't play a part in kickstarting what happened in bristol - i mean there hasn't been a riot of that size since the St. Pauls riots surely, and anti-tesco feelings have been expressed largely peacefully, no? so it's just weird that the police seemed to expect a massive riot, bringing in a whole loads of police-force from Wales etc.
the Telepathic Heights place was massively involved in the anti-Tesco stuff. The police went in on intelligence that there were petrol bombs in there, and then they found petrol bombs (one man charged with possession of a petrol bomb). I suspect they went in late on that Thursday night because they couldn't risk letting the Tesco being petrol bombed and the damage and injury it could have caused, not just to Tesco but to other shops (the independent bike shop next door) and people living nearby.
But at least part of the intelligence was that they were throwing rocks from the upper floors of Telepathic Heights and hitting the roof of Tescos. That was taken as testing throwing range and prompted the police to go in.
That sounds reasonable. It is a real shame that bike shop got damaged, and an unfortunate set of coincidences that the information about petrol bombs i guess had to come through at a particularly volatile moment.
but i do still wonder whether the police response could have been considered slightly differently. stuff like closing down the occasional cinema event on wednesday seems heavy-handed and to me, looks sure to create greater tensions. leaving the police car to be vandalising, lack of information to public and unwillingness to arrest the trouble-makers early would be things that i would criticise in the riot itself.
but i understand that particularly when policeman are unused to riot conditions, and are under a lot of pressure they can react in ways they wouldn't normally.
On the other hand, whoever organised the protest for last night to take place at night again (even if they cancelled on facebook or w/e it afterwards) was being a bit silly.
it's a separate discussion but in terms of tesco, i'm not convinced by all the arguments against it either.
the police response during and since may not have been perfect, but this is not something they were expecting (unlike the London protest marches for example) or wanted to get involved with - it's a situation between Tesco and some local people and the police are caught in the middle.
There does seem to be a small group of people in the area who are just looking for trouble with the police at the moment, sadly. And both incidents occurred on a 'party night' as well, so were probably alcohol fuelled as much as anything.
and people are worried incase the independant bike shop next door got damaged?......well according to war corresponding that would be just 'collateral damage from freindly fire' :D
what a palava! you know I feel a bit sorry for the poor tesco express drone workers, it must be rather unsettling for them, to think they are working in somewhere where they might be attacked/blown up/immolated
also i agree now that it's not a surprise and a good idea they tried to evict them again today.
they want to stop having a fight so the chuffing police helicopter buggers off and I can get some sleep.
got a couple croissants, some pilgrims extra mature cheese (2 for 1) and a packet of ready salted.
there are no shops on Sydenham Road
Don't see this kind of stuff in Southville.
but Cotham is so much better.
I will miss S'ville but can already see how much better/nicer it is up here.
So yeah, what you said.