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How offended are you?
I read "Calm down dear" as a (moderately) clever title for a thread about offence provoking outrage.
But you've read it as "how offended are you when someone says, 'calm down dear'?".
Can we have a clarification from the OP on this?
According to BBC.
add this to the internship thing he came out with over Easter and he comes across as a bit of a twat
did it take Blair this little time to get there?
It was a totally pathetic (and very in character) thing to say. I thought when he called Ed Balls the most annoying MP or w/e he was pretty out of order too. But yeah this definitely has more than an undertone of sexism to boot.
Another bout of ridicule and disrespect for women in public life, this time from a woman
and there's a current affairs context to all this too.
I'm way out of my depth in this thread, it seems. Apologies to all concerned.
Loving the po-faced response to my boob joke. I'm sure Lisa Nandy gives good speeches."
bet she's squirming really uneasily, trying to look all relaxed about it
she's shitting it
Got me this gem: http://www.labourlist.org/uploads/thumbs/M_1e9b9afe-fe9a-3f04-ad21-c9ff201dffb1.jpg
as embarrassed that the PM of our country is nothing more than a condescending cumsplat. Every time you watch or listen to him in PMQ's his arrogance his breathtaking. Saying something like this to a fellow MP is pretty low.
Downing Street are claiming the comment was 'humourous'. I beg to differ. Danny Alexander's description of Ed Balls as 'Shadow Chunterer' was humouous. Cameron's comment was that of a massive cunt.
I mean, that makes Gideon the Chunterer of the Exchequer. Unless that's what Alexander was going for?
this may be old news idk but i've only just noticed
gideon is the sort of bloke who won't realise when everyone's laughing at him, so he can probably get away with it
Thought he had a background in PR?
it was just all vaguely pathetic.
I used to love how adversarial and combative it was, and think "wouldn't it be amazing if Barack Obama had to do something similar every week". Now I'm not so sure, it's all personalities and soundbites and nonsense. Punch and Judy politicks.
Also, that advert hasn't been on for years, update your references Dave. Don't they have those zeigeist tapes in Downing Street? Next he'll be finishing off his budget announcements with "SEEMPLES!"
ed has actually had quite a few good retorts to be fair to him. but yeah. no funny when it's sexist and personal or coming from someone as detestable as david cameroon.
(I bet he couldn't point to it on a map, seriously)
he really doesn't have much of a voice for radio.
Please, learn to get over this prejudice.
I love Clegg's awkward expression while Osborne giggles like a schoolgirl.
especially the way he looks at john bercow and makes a gesture as if to see "JEEZ would you listen to the PC Brigade. You can't say anything these days".
Osbourne is rotting. I would like batter him.
he's just like 'god I hate them but I have to look like they're my friends because they're more posh and powerful than me'.
I'VE JUST REALISED HE'S LIKE WINONA RYDER'S CHARACTER IN HEATHERS!! So fans of the film will know what happens next...
Cameron attacks 'annoying' Balls
I love camerons one armed lean
it's like a crap episode from grange hill. cameron is barry bastard bollocks, leader of the quiff-street kids....gideon is his simpering right-hand boy, ready to cheer him on and toss him off at any opportunity....and then there is clegg, the new boy going through initiation. he wanted to be a face at school, a somebody...especially since his mum started working nights at the bakery and he hasn't had any support at home...so he decided to join the most powerful gang in town, (and they only let him because they needed his football for a game at lunch) but now, seeing the leader urinate on a girl, he's starting to have second thoughts about the whole affair.
beautiful. absolutely beautiful.
I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been... somebody. But i'm a bum, lets face it, thats what I am. It was you david, it was you.
the sigh to Clegg is now what the oink and guffaw is to Gideon.
I hoped you had amusingly pretended to be Michael Winner. Oh well.
All senior-ranking politicians are fucksticks.
And of course I lol'd. :D
But it's pretty patronising and not really becoming of the Prime Minister.
Gorgeous George and Dave seem to get a lot more riled at the dispatch box than Blair ever did. Even when Hague was handing him his arse on a plate on a daily basis Blair almost seemed to remain in control. Dave seems to get flustered almost as easily as the volcano that was Gordon Brown
The thing is, I expected so much more form Dave in terms of his oration. He was weaker than Clegg in the televised debates, and his performances at the despatch box have left me feeling a bit underwhelmed sometimes. I guess it's hard knowing that in the cabinet you have Hague, an absolutely first class speaker, who is so skillful that he doesn't need to resort to pettiness, but who will not be PM because he wore a stupid hat. #oversimplificationcentric
it looks pretty sexist to me* and a lot of other women. and that's what matters. this sort of thing does put women off going into politics. which is a pretty awful thing for a pm to be doing. if he's not au fait with this sort of thinking, he really ought to be.
*'calm down' - i'm suer you all know this but women are rountinely cast as hysterical. this has been used to bar women from public life througout history. angela eagle was as entitled to be talking as all the *men* who are forever braying at eachother across the chamber. it comes across as if he's saying 'HOW DARE SHE TALK OVER ME! POOR WOMAN DOESNT EVEN KNOW HER OWN SUBSERVIENT ROLE!'
if you were a woman you'd know how often men seem to dominate conversation (or maybe you do know this)
i doubt he'd have called a male colleague 'dear' - it connotes someone who you are fond of but is in need of help, a patient, a child etc. it's totally patronising and inappropriate language for parliament and this is only going to draw more attention to it.
his purpose was to belittle her and to do this he drew on negative cultural attitutes towards women. then the entire tory front benches laughed and smiled cause they'd put her back in her 'place.' yeah politicians eh.
Of course, you could suggest that he did it because he thinks that addressing a man as if they're female is a cutting insult.
(it's a woman in the advert isn't it? it was aaaaages ago. shows how dumb he is if he thinks its still/was ever a funny pop culture reference to be making. like hi two thousand a late.)
was it in pmqs? was it cause he was merely talking (as opposed to getting particulaly riled up about something or something like that)? cause this episode is pretty context specific imo. if he's said it in an interview or in a way that wasn't meant to be ganging up and telling someone directly to stfu, it's different too.
at PMQs, I think.
hmmm this can be my excuse to work dodge today. very important that i find the hansard of this.
Whether he meant it to be isn't really the point and if used against a man it doesn't really carry the same weight but then that's completely irrelevant.
Our prime minister is the kind of man who quotes adverts to colleagues in the workplace
so joke's on you
but is she did, she'd probably make the best sense in the world.
I doubt he'd have called a male colleague 'dear' IN THIS CONTEXT. don't pay too much attention to this one sentence in my post though y'know. read the rest of it too.
as i said above, i'm not offended by this.
you're the one deliberately refusing to see this in context. i know you're not so stupid as to think equality means treating everyone exactly the same but nice try.
are you now gonna pretend you can't understand this either? lol.
Childrens day like we do Mothers/Fathers day.
He's only 5 though.
EVERY DAY IS CHILDRENS' DAY!
one is unpleasant, one is out of order.
while at the same time admitting his wife would have thumped him for saying it to her, the massive idiot.
Doesn't make them sexist
Cool, let's just discuss something completely beside the point...
dressing up like the 118 guys at office parties and shit.
Second, am now imagining DC complaining to the Bear Cow, all 'but Ed said it fiiiiiiirrst!' stamping his foot like a princess in a tantrum, 'it's not faaaaair!'
Horrible... just horrible.
Can't believe so many people voted for
Really can't believe it
I thought you were a dude
but yeah, I thought it was a dude until very recently :(
Van_Gok_Wan is Cat
Van_Gok_Whitlam is/was meles_meles
He knew exactly who would feign `being upset` by this and he knew exactly what the man on the street would ACTUALLY think.
Yeah he gets a bit of a ticking off from the Guardian or whatever but he knows your average moron/voter will be `lol gud one dave`
Basically he's trolling us. From the Commons. Can you believe that?? Just ignore him.
but if we don't discuss this sorta thing when it comes up, we're never going to get beyond the pretty sorry state of women in politics. (there's some great new labour women mps <3)
I feel like we're playing into his/their/Anarchy_1999's hands and coming across prissy and humourless. Like when you have a pop at his MASSIVE FUCKING BUMCHUM DRESSY UP FRIEND Clarkson.
Cameron no doubt realised that what he said wasn't going to come across the way he probably thought it would almost immediately. He's just gone into damage limitation mode - and no doubt it'll play well to a portion of people who think political correctness went mad sometime in the 1980s anyway.
CG's just being his normal self and definitely worth ignoring - the fact he's on the windup in here is even more obvious than normal.
i *know* you agree he is a massive berk. i *know* that i will be characterised as po-faced and dramatic. but that's how it's always been for women and this has been a way of thwarting the movement. you can say it's counterproductive to even put up a fight against it cause they're always going to win (though not by quality of argument) but i think it's more productive to talk about the issue and to question attitutes and practices. stuff's not gonna change of its own volition. stuff has a stake in being self-serving and self-perpetuating. so yeah, let's change stuff.
people probably rolled their eyes at Ghandi onceuponatime
The house would have fell silent. Dave would shift from foot to foot in excrutiating discomfort before muttering something about `eees simples?` then bursting into an enthusiastic rendition of `GO COMPARE! GO COMPARE!` then running out in tears and tendering his resignation the next day.
You're wrong to think/say/troll we're trying to 'play down' any stereotype here. Women are told by society that it's *not* ok for them to behave in a way that *is* ok for men. Only by being very vocal about this are women going to achieve equal status. If we don't apportion ourselves equal status and an equal right to be heard, then men and the rest of society won't either.
'To some degree you just have to accept that that's just how it is.' <<<<haha
will eventually make it impossible for you to relate to/engage with real people in real life, like when a detective has to get in to the mind of a serial killer and then one day can't look his children in the eyes anymore?
to be as successful as men?
Because I think that most of the evidence suggests that it's still a lot harder.
- it's harder for women to get into politics and business than it is for men. when it shouldn't be.
- i intend to be very successful in life.
it makes me wonder if theres a two minutes hate channel they tune into to learn them
1telling some really appalling lie about sth and then saying o but its good its coming under scrutiny now
new entry2accusing other groups of playing the victim
3maggie put this country back on its feet
Should have gone with the Fairy liquid or Shake'n'Vac tune
he really is the NAFFEST prime minister we've ever had right?
I'm embarassed for him/us more than offended.
Obama hates him I expect
Can't we just send someone else to these things? Perhaps Hague* or someone with a modicum of dignity?
*must leave baseball cap at home.