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When I read it was to do with a gang initiation ritual, I thought 'oh, that's the kind of japes I would probably find myself embroiled in if I was off travelling, and wandered into the wrong end of town'. And then I realised that they weren't actually trying to JOIN the gang, they were just bystanders. Cannon fodder. the poor lads :'(
BUT, there are other explanations. Dodgy minicab, set-up by somebody who had conned them. Emmm, drugs and hookers?
Hadn't heard about the minicab thing.
I recal being in NY and some randoms hawking 'the most amazing party night ever' and that transport was laid on if we wanted a lift. Er, I'm alright ta.
which I remember you being gleefully triumphant about! ;D
But for one, I'm not the justice secretary, just a jumped up indie prick on DiS. And unlike the justice secretary, I'm not casting any aspersions whatsoever. Just going on news reports that have suggested that they weren't 'just wandering about a bit and having a look around'. I guess I shouldn't have trusted the source, huh?
It's obviously an awful thing to have happened. But reports have infered that there's more to it than that. So I'm just wondering what.
I just read about how they were in a completely non-touristy area and I started wondering what they were doing there and I thought it was weird.
sometimes I just wander around for miles on holiday. Or was the area hard to get to unless you were going there deliberately?
that some distance to go to get lost
So what? Doesn't mean they weren't allowed to go there. I and countless other tourists have been to some well dodgy areas in some strange countries, it's called having an adventure.
it's florida, it's not like it's iraq or anything
parts of the US are grim as fuck. There are millions of homeless and crackwhores in the major coastal cities.
There are dodgy places anywhere but America's first world country with a good police force. It's not going to really cross most people's minds they'd be likely to get shot, mainly because you'd be very unlucky.
I have been to quite a few places in America and the Caribbean and you KNOW when to stay away from somewhere.
"Having an adventure" is all very well, but not advised in American Ghettos.
Obviously I don't think they deserved to die or anything. Their poor families.
[Quote]Sarasota Police Captain Paul Sutton said: "It is very unusual to find tourists or visitors in this area. It is a residential neighbourhood with no shops and no bars. We do not know what brought them here at 3am."[/Quote]
Maybe they pulled.
Not saying that they're not allowed to go there, just that shit happens and if it's the case that they're simply doing everyday non-touristy stuff then it pretty much falls under the category of A N Other crime.
From what I've seen of it, there's been an undercurrent of suggestion that they weren't 'just wandering about a bit and having a look around'.
and read the story properly.
One of the lads' parnets has a condo out there, and he regularly visits. So you'd think they'd know that this was a shady area.
Conversely, of course, if you think you're a bit of a regular somewhere, it's easy to become really blase and let your guard down.
Either way, i wish people would stop speculating as to *theri* motive, as if it's at all relevant.
RIP delete thread.
Certainly, the tennis coach guy seemed to be a repeat visitor to this part of florida, with his parents. He had an on-off casual relationship with a local girl that he'd started seeing a few years ago. the parents seem to have some kind of timeshare or similar in a condo out there.
They weren't total strangers to the area, they were intelligent guys according to friends, and they had no reason to be in that area at that time of night.
Someone floated that they might have been trying to buy drugs, but I don't really buy that theory.
But then I heard it was in Sarasota - my grandparents used to live there, and I visited every year. It's a weird town.
Like a lot of places in Forida, there's a rich bit (lots of walled-off retirement villages next to plush golf courses, as well as holiday condo complexes, since it's not far from Orlando), but also a poor bit (and we're talking really poor, like, roll up your windows when you drive through, The Wire, level of poverty). The poor parts of town are VERY dangerous to people from out of town, and especially tourists.
Anyway - I thought this was a pretty horrible mystery, and then I found out the two guys were close friends of my friend. She's devastated by it. Don't really know what to say to her, really. Two of her best friends were found 'riddled with bullets' in the back streets of a dodgy part of town on another continent, and she's reminded of it every time she sees the front page of a newspaper. Shit.
I know worse crimes happen every day on the sreets of our own country, and that crimes are no more/less criminal because the victims were nice/horrid, but there's something particularly heartbreaking about this.
I think mystery makes it so, not that they're British or they were in a foreign country or anything. Any time someone dies a violent death for no apparent reason is particularly striking.
Think it's unlikely that they'd end up there trying to score. Apparently they only had a little bit of money on them, surely if someone took their money they'd take it all.
The kid could face the death penalty if he's charged as an adult, guess with all the international attention that's more likely than it'd normally be, or am I just falsely basing that and what I see on tv shows?
I'm from Daytona Beach, on the complete other side of the coast. Went there for a night out once. It was really nice but I didn't end up lost or on the wrong side of the tracks, not that I'm saying that's what happened (according to the media we really don't know how they ended up where they were). I can say, just as any state in the US, ever major city has a dark side you want nothing to do with. Want to think they were trying to score (feel like a complete and utter cunt saying that) or were just straight up lost. It really is a mystery and a tragedy and I would really like closure, even though I'm not involved in the least.