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Oh - and make sure to fill in the "religious" question in the appropriately heathen manner.
it's meant to be filled in today. still have 2 hours
It's supposed to be done today or soon after.
You'll get a £1000 fine for not following instructions.
I filled it in 2 weeks ago but I'm sending it off today
the jedi's got us falling in love again
Real people, eh?
it's the whole of the uk.
the scotland and wales ones are different from the others i think.
England & Wales - http://tinyurl.com/ygvd5e4
Scotland - http://tinyurl.com/6gu4qou
Northern Ireland - http://tinyurl.com/6fq7khd
Republic of Ireland - http://tinyurl.com/5vt6z2d
But no worries, cos apparently you can do it online.
Hmm. The electronic alternative to the form requires a password. A password that is printed on the form.
dear cardiff council, is this lack of delivery some attempt to disregard my area as it is one of the poorest in the city? One where only 60% of the people have access to computers in which to register to get the undelivered forms ?
Or maybe they just plain forgot my street...
or be on the electoral roll, or any of that.
just sounds lke your posite is shite.
Republicans in NI take the addressee bit to heart and send the letters back to the British government, unopened
but at least it eventually made sense to me
quite effortless, really?
and I'm gonna fill in the one sent my flat. So, officially, there will be two of me. I look forward to getting into all kinds of scrapes with my new twin, like in Sister Sister.
as a backlash against people who aren't religious.
Way to go "the person who filled in your Census".
Why do they need to know that?!
making sure that people aren't missed out.
I haven't bothered to fill in my own census. Isn't it the legacy of when the census was door to door and a snapshot of that night? It's weird that it's still in there!
Apparently though, quite a lot of people did get entirely missed last time round for that very reason.
i dont get that really either though, you get the census like amonth before 27th march and can do it before then, people should have to do it from their own houses imho
Even got the paper hats, crisps and dips, and blowyy-parpy-roll-out thingys in for authenticity.
(suffragettes etc*) would stay at someone else's house to legally avoid filling it in for political reasons.
(*LOL PROTESTING NEVER CHANGED ANYTHING DUM STUDUNTS OMG)
What would you not like your great grandchildren knowing about you? The amount of rooms in your house?
are you afraid they're going to find out about your benefit fraud?
calling people simple is part of your serious point?
you always respect the solemn flow of a heavy DiScussion?
you're pretty much the anti-CG, huh? at least he can hold back from throwing personal insults around and doesn't whinge when he's banned.
but go on... get it out of your system... wish cancer on my mum or something.
censuses happen, people like you think it's an invansion of privacy, you get fined £1000 for mis understanding what they are used for. if you are breaking the law why should you not be found out?..........
also, that would require a written constituion and, holy shit, do you even want to go down that road? :D
They also have censuses here to. also, they have this in the legislation that they use for it: 'By law, no one — neither the census takers nor any other Census Bureau employee — is permitted to reveal identifiable information about any person, household, or business'
interesting. but i don't really know what your point is.
Although... it's a sensible course of action though isn't it? Don't get into trouble, and your census information will stay nice and untouched. That way, everyone wins don't they?
Any idea if the last census had the same civil liberty destroying caveat?
Do you know of any examples (if there's a website or something) of people who have found themselves being stitched over by the state due to information of this nature (such as on national databases or something)? I'd be keen to have a read...
Also - I'd wager that if the police wanted to find out anything remotely relevant to them on the census they would easily find out about it through other means. None of the questions look that difficult to unpick...
It's difficult to be sympathetic to an argument which isn't backed up with evidence.
And even if your hypothetical example is correct, what harm has it done?
and so much more tl;dr if you want it:
that doesn't contain any real examples of people being stitched over by the state due to information held for another purpose.
I'm just intrigued is all...
The selling of the DVLA database to, basically, anyone who wants it is the easiest example of a gov db being reappropriated.
The BBC article didn't explain how he got access to the database though did it?
to, basically, anyone who wants it (i.e./e.g. if you own a car park).
Well that's a bit odd... and it has been used there for an incredibly disastrous reason.
Although... what benefits are available from the DVLA's database being able to be purchased? I can't think of any, personally...
-Car park company buys data.
-DVLA gets money (~£6.5m in 2006).
-Car park company gets money (cos it can chase up cars via addresses cross-referenced to reg plates etc).
Do you agree with this statement in the first article?
"Information given to the DVLA by drivers should only be used by the DVLA or local police and not by private companies to make profit"
Because I do... although it's all about personal feeling isn't it. I don't think that our over-zealous parking regulations are particularly worth supporting through a system such as this. Some other people might...
Compliance with a state obligation like that shouldn't entail the direct enablenment of private enterprise.
and tits that feel the need to protest/boycott EVERYTHING thats thrown their way to impress their self-righteous peers/friends. They should focus their attention elsewhere as opposed to getting their knickers in the twist over information that can potentially be used to source out criminals... it's not like they are selling the information on to mailing lists.
not sure what right to silence is, but it's quite unrelated to cards that hold who you are and the gathering of information.
Short answer: nah.
Long anwer: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4251263
you make some good points in there.
As I just said to duck, it's not the handy pieces of plastic that are wrong, it's all the shite attached to and underlying it.
someone made a point in the ID thread about requiring to prove your age in a country that has no formal ID. That makes an interesting point on why they are a good idea but, as you rightly say, there was a lot more attached to it.
I don't really care too much about ID Cards, they aren't too far removed from a Passport or Drivers Licence.. money might be better off used elsewhere but as a concept I never saw what the fuss was about considering we already have similar documents in effect.
Surveillance Society, I'm sure this has been a fundamental human concern for centuries & has been enforced for centuries to varying degrees. To consider it something new would be stupid and is something humans have been living with for QUITE some time now & it hasn't really done much harm now is it? It just seems to be another thing for people to get angry about when it actually doesn't impact them too much
Not a major thing in and of themselves.
But to make having one compulsory AND to require X-amount of spurious info AND to tie up to what is likely to be a shittily administered database? I refer you to the above linked fred on it.
from ur post
A census is the procedure of systematically acquiring and recording information about the members of a given population.
then answering on the form untruthfully probably isn't going to be too far an ethical/moral stretch for you, is it? you think lying is a crime? or do you mean answering the census is a crime?
well, seeing as in this 'hypothetical' situation, you are already commiting a crime, you have to decide which is the lesser of the two. breaking the law is a quantum theory - it doesn't change whether or not it is reported or observed.
is your health "good" or "very good" or whatever? eh? crock of shite.
some fuzzy sense of feeling of nationality is important when you have country of birth AND ethnicity to go on? nah.
why don't they ask about which other books and stories i've enjoyed?
I SURE AS HELL SHOWED THE MAN.
Non this time.
Although the arguments re: pirates v global warming are VERY compelling.
as the Church still holds a significant amount of influence over our political system. While 70%+ of people are claiming to be Christian, it still seems reasonable.
It's also relevant when you look at things like faith schools, provision for religious activities in different communities, arguably security (given tensions between different relgious communities) and so on.
You need to try reading what's actually written, not what you'd like to have been written.
faith schools can chuff off and conduct their own surveys.
The state doesn't cater for republicanism. It does, however, make provision for religion, so like it or not, it's a relevant question.
Which I guess is at the root of where I stand on it. Oh well. I'll live.
insofar as the state probably shouldn't be making specific provision for one or more religions. That said, given that it does (and that's unlikely to change in the short term), I can see why the question's being asked, and they do at least give you the opportunity to not answer. Mind you, the question as it stands is asked in a horribly flawed way.
it's just illegal to own them or sell them.
maybe. 'i've got crabs off this woman what i raped' and 'i've got this cut on my hand from that baby i just stabbed'... um... yeah. you don't?
interesting point. not considered that. i honestly don't know what i think really.
illegal to be in possession of drugs
Otherwise the'd be a lot of grey areas in terms of people being spiked and the such.
It should not be illegal to harm oneself. Doctors should therefore not report individuals whose actions are illegal, but only harm themselves. On the other hand, it seems perfectly reasonable for doctors to be able to report individuals whose actions lead to significant harm to others (and themselves).
Of course, the question then needs to be asked "what counts as 'harm towards others'?"
the census health questions were vague to the point of being useless, but they asked enough to be possibly incriminating.
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they need a good dna sample as well
then it'll be like i get a handjob off of Dave Cameron *swoon*
and says "give it here, let me have a look' then he'll grab it and they'll both be tugging to keep the paper, ythat would be even better - "a co-alition handshake" a perfect euphemism
I mean, you 'may' get fined £1000 for not returning something which has no stated fixed deadline except that someone 'may' visit to check what happened to it after a while?
"blue guys out of avatar LOL" this time round