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I don't really get the hate.
I wonder 'why on earth'? sometimes, but then I do that when I see somebody with a tacky tattoo, or indeed, just most people that I see in certain parts of London. Hate is too strong, I wonder at them.
Sub-thread- does anybody know whether there's any credence in the racism allegations (i.e. black people had dreadlocks as a way of politicisng the fact that afro hair doesn't sit well in traditional western 'smart' hairstyles, and that by copying it, white people are appropriating a culture and an issue that isn't theirs, and almost belittling it?) That is a ramble- hopefully somebody gets me, I haven't really thought this out yet and am still musing.
spanning centuries. Being seen in cultures in India, East Africa and Pakistan.
It probably started to filter into 'whitey' counter culture with hippies being scummy bastards and not washing very much and maybe having read a book on Indian mysticism or West Indian Rastafarianism, which is where the term has originated, and where most people associate the hairstyle with. Rastafarianism only came into existence in the middle part of the last century.
From there it was probably a hop skip and a jump to white middle class kids hijacking yet another black cultural movement and misappropriating most of the fashions attached without giving much if any real thought to what these 'fashions' actually represented.
The 'politicisation' of the dreadlock would have been initially upon religious grounds rather than kicking against any social norms. There's also something to do with the early rastas adopting them moving away from the hairstyle worn by Hailie Selassi. Which is maybe what you mean about the shift from the afro to the dread.
The cultural misappropriation by whitey children for rebellious purposes would have been for the same reasons they misappropriated the Blues, RnB, Jazz, etc, etc. It was different, exciting, and their parents would have hated it as being 'nigger music'.
Just some thoughts.
because dreadlocks do not have a single cultural significance of their own. As you say- they have been worn by different groups of people for lots of different reasons.
Also, presumably not every white person who wears them now does so as a middle-class appropriater of culture.
Still, it's an interesting thought.
after all vestiges of indigenous tribalism have been all but wiped out, and people who re-incent themselves as celtic revivalists get the piss taken out of them too.
Its not the white kids fault that they feel the way they do, that is sort of natural, also they didnt create way that societies grew.
Also what about people of 'different cultures' realigning themselves with another culture, they would only be doing that if they thought the other culture had some worth that they were lacking in their own.
Fusion is after all a major driver in musical styles and progression of them
the boundary between appropriation and racism is kind of contested, ill-defined and hazy. There was an interesting article about this a while back in the Guardian (surprise surprise):
and love singing pearl jam songs incorrectly
they are things that i cannot tolerate in combination.
i hate pearl jam songs when they are sung correctly too.
I keep meaning to do a really racist thread about eurotrashey types. I hate them. YOU CAN HAVE EYEBROW PIERCINGS AND MAORI TATTOOS ONCE YOU'VE LEARNT TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORT.
I'll go with that.
but is it true that they don't wash their hair, and thats what holds it together?
having beeswax put into their hair in order for the dreads to take intially. As opposed to people who maybe singe the hair together or just don't wash it and then roll it together.
If it's just not washed for an inordinate amount of time they'd wind up with a beavertail.
Which isn't attractive or cool, even to these pseudo-alternacunts.
There are a few different 'products' that you can use. Beeswax being one, that personally I didn't like because it doesn't last for very long.
The only thing not washing your hair does is make it all tangled and matted and horrible, which not only looks shit but is also skank as hell.
Its the same with cornrows. You kind of redo them once a week or so.
that is all
Brighton - haven of hedonists, or place where kids with families funding them to be "a creative" pretend they're rebelling against said families via the medium of hacky sacks, Charlie Chalk trousers and *dreadlocks*
I hate Tim Minchin so much
:) you've made me happy
i have a pretty low threshold for musical comedy (it's like a joke, but it goes on for five minutes over bad piano playing!!!), but, jeez.
my friends dragged me to see him at Latitude one year. the first song was about how there's a word you just can't use in polite society, and it has the letters N I G G E R in it... and the word is GINGER! ahahahaha. he's so clever, subverting my expectations and throwing them on their head. for five minutes. with bad piano playing.
I, for one, would pay handsomely to see it :D
his name was richard stilgoe, I think that if you refer to mincin as 'Stilgoe light' that would be a suitable put down
I also hate Victoria wood and Mitch Ben for their clever middleclass arch knowing tweeness, when in actual fact their jokes are nowhere near the complexity of some proper comics.
Even when Alan Partridge does his singer (tony ferino?) its poor, comedy music is normally rubbish
Apart from Bill Bailey
stillgoe is the king of anagrams
he is a bit of a tool though.
they were quite neat short ones so they weren't bad. He did look insanely attractive when he cut them off though, they kind of hid his shiny good looks.
I dislike very long dirty dreadlocks - belonging to someone in front of me - waving in my face at gigs. This is a cross-racial hatred.
DiS AND Facebook is deleting all my posts. The internet hates me.
i should probably use this thread to comment about how much i hate Tim Minchin, right?
Can you post a picture of Tim Minchin so that those of us who don't know what he looks like can see what he looks like and can therefore join you in solidarity in hatred of Tim Minchin (whoever he is).
It would also mean that more people would be likely to know what Tim Minchin looks like so that if any of us see Tim Minchin in real life we can spit on Tim Minchin, set Tim Minchin on fire or perhaps shout "Hey You! Tim Minchin! Let it be known that you, Tim Minchin, are universally reviled and a social pariah!"
and then he talked to him in song about how Mick was a bit skint.
it may be viewed as being racist.
and I think MissBass is hot
so......? where am I going with this?
I was making a somewhat laboured gag relating to early Simply Red hits. Anyway, my wife's a ginger, which gives me licence to make ginger jokes forever if I want.
I don't dislike him. IN FACT: I quite like him.
I really, really do.
FEAR THEM! FEAR THE DREADS!
I bet Cthulu has dreads, the big dready half octopussy cunt.
I fact, he does, his beard is dreads. WHAT A CUNT!
have the dreads and that.
Mildy disappointed: I preferred the mystery.
WHAT IS HAPPENING????
Het is getting seriously oorlog up in here.
'kin burger oorlog. Wow. Near tears.
and suddenly you're Mr Europe
I fancy my chances.
I wanted to be both :(
Quite liked him.
The others however are boorish hippy types.
Most of them are just harmless 6th formers or Iberians.
Gotta hate someone
its brilliant tho:
rastas always say things like, "aaaaaa rasta man" when he walks past them. he's not a rastafarian tho. its pretty funny.
once we went into a bar and they immediately put on the lenny kravitz. pretty funny.
when we were at a festival in budapest, all the hungarians called him, "captain jack sparrow". daft racists.
as you were.
Who has a dreadlock wig?
How do you have a SINGLE dreadlock wig?
Who 'inherits' a wig?
WHO WEARS THEIR DAD'S CRUSTY OLD DREADLOCK WIG?
I'm mixed race. Do you hate me half the time?
Ah listening to yu wid de keen?
half of mih ear?
Ah lookin at yu wid de keen?
half of mih eye?
and when I'm introduced to yu?
I'm sure you'll understand?
why I offer yu half-a-hand?
an when I sleep at night?
I close half-a-eye?
consequently when I dream?
I dream half-a-dream?
an when moon begin to glow?
I half-caste human being?
cast half-a-shadow ?
you may not be part caucasian, in which case, I think you get a free pass.
<consults rule book...page 56, para 8, subsection 2b, exceptions...>
I think I get a pass for knowing nearly all of "Half Caste" of by heart, thus showing I am IN TOUCH WITH MY ROOTS.
I AM A MAN OF CULTURE.
i have a bigotted reaction to them.
Expecting them to be entitled, petty, self important, faux-anarchist, dropout, neu-hippy middle class tits who may namedrop Jah Wobble, Mikhail Bakunin and Noam Chomsky to show how ROOT they are. When in fact they are tourists, scrabblng around wearing clown trousers living in the most expensive squats with their friends that their parents could buy for them, taking too much Ketamine thinking they are being all revolutionary and reactionary, giving it big 'free the people' licks to DA MAN, before giving it all up when they reach the age of 26, retreating back to somewhere around London and getting a proper office job in a Law or Investment Firm that their Dad works in.
I expect these people to be dreary self serving inconsequential narcissistic bumclouds waiting for nepotism to stand in and wipe away their holiday in their own culture.
And generally, they are. These people were the reason I stopped going to techno clubs a long time ago. I couldn't be bothered with their chat or their confrontational attitudes which they wore much in the same way they wore those palestinian scarves or fisherman trousers. It was just part of a fad to them, part of this uniform or costume they wore to show how rebellious they were when none of those people did anything to change anything. Shallow vessels.
And, also, dreads tend to look quite naff.
the sort of person who tells you Tesco is worse than your local shop because you don't interact with the people who work there and then seems a bit confused when you point out you can have a conversation with checkout staff if you want, and tell you that's not the point?
Old people are always ranting about TESCOS!
and big business, extolling the virtues of hard work
whilst getting all their bills paid for by their mum.
or, alternatively, faux-anarchist drop-outs who don't have rich parents, who are on the dole while preaching that to get a job would be to become a slave to the system, and we should all live free in anarchy.
you can't then collect dole money or have anything to do with NHS without being a selfish, deluded hypocrite idiot. (I'm saying this from a Marxist point of view, not as a raging tory nutter)
most (not all) of the people I have met who are faux-anarchist crustie dread types don't contribute to society in ANY way.
Many of them claim benefits, but don't then, do anything else to contribute to society. If they wanted to opt out of the capitalist system that is fine and understandable as it's seriously flawed, but at the same time, they have many different ways in which they could do something to help people.
Carrying out voluntary work of any type or description fits with an anti-capitalist view as the 'work' being carried out isn't based upon wage-slave ideology, it's altruism.
But the crustie benefit claimants I know aren't interested in any type of 'work', neither are the 'Mater/Pater will pay' types. They're both on extended holiday which is being justified by some cliched quotes they took the time to remember.
what's the difference between a "capitalist system" and "society"? is it just not "capitalist society"?
even if you work as a wage slave you still pay your taxes and contribute far more to helping your fellow man than by sitting in a squat taking the society's help.
if one really wants to rebel against the system while a freeloader, one should just admit to being a bit of hypocrite, or man up, cut off all ties, eat from bins and do your own dentistry with pliers.
however this particular society has been organised into a system, which of course is capitalist by nature, and not fair for all, but flawed as it may be, it's still the best option we as a society have come up with.
anyway, you do admit the scroungers at the bottom are "hardly worse" than the ones at the top, and they are leeching from us. I said they were leeches as well and if they try to tart it up as some kind of pure and noble stance, they're being hypocrites.
But I now have this in my head, so you all can too:
it's not acceptable to headbang at gigs when you have massive dreadlocks. FUCK YOU, MAN AT ISIS WITH YOUR STINKY FUCKING MANKY DREADLOCKS HITTING ME IN THE FACE.
When I was 13 my dad told me there had been several rapes in our city and that the main suspect had white man dreads. Since then, every time I notice a white guy with dreads, my dad saying the phrase "dreadlocks rapist" resonates and unsettles me a bit. Just to add to the oeuvre of my posts on the interface of my dad and hairstyles.
Like they have one or two, not a big bob marley thing going on. I think I'm happy with spanish people having dreadlocks.
anybody else can get fucked
(she's portuguese though).
I think girls with one dread is realyl fit.
like i can even enjoy reggae sometimes now. Like a little bit. just a wee bit is fine. I think its because in general with continental europeans it is a lot less difficult to link music taste with goodness of person.
i can't describe the hatred i am filled with when i see these people
it's not even because it's greasy and stupid looking, it's more that i hate those types of people. and let's be honest, have you ever met a white person with dreads who wasn't at least a bit of a cunt?
For the most part they're pretty nice actually. I mean they're generally pretty friendly and pleasant and inoffensive, even if they're often a bit like "1990s idea of a student" or really like pearl jam.
it's easy to be nice, anyone can be nice.
But its difficult to be a cunt. Like a proper cunt. Most people are just nice, which is fine. Some people (all the people who are friends with me or that I have decided are cool) are really cool. Some people are cunts.
Next you'll be saying that you like it when streets smell like bins
British people are generally joyless and close minded. That's why you get people like josie long who are conspicuously joyful as if its a bizarre thing. Europeans have never had that problem.
I don't understand.
take me back to
a dog, a Carcass tshirt and a tatty pair of oxblood steels then guilty as charged