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That will be the story in a few days he said something along the lines of "as a Jew, Desmond probably hates Muslims". No I'm not joking.
but I have no idea whether this makes sense or not.
.“As a Jew, he may well have negative views of Muslims”.
Incredible really, what an idiot.
And who's being quoted?
Roy Greenslade said that of Richard Desmond?
and the quote is what Greenslade originally said in his article
When the linked Guardian article was originally written, it contained a line about Desmond hating/disliking muslim's because he was a Jew. This was then hastily edited out after about an hour, that's what the bit at the bottom is : This article was amended on 10 February to remove inappropriate language.
All I pointed out was an interesting aside, and that eventually "tha meedja" will make a bigger deal out of one racist remark that the continuation of an already anti muslim editorial line.
You just pointed out it was likely to blow up and I was grumbling about that possibility.
Every now and again he'll drop a proper clanger that he has to apologise for - like titling one lecture "Race and the Media: Wops, and Chinks" but never actually explaining why he titled it that.
Or the other day, when he claimed that Israeli-Lebanon relations have been largely peaceful since the 1967 war.
really is batshit insane.
Also, essentially talking bollocks. The story is actually that the EDL are 'thinking' of becoming a political party, and that it would be 'good' if they could, but that they are talking to other parties.
Its just the star essentially wetting their pants over the idea that was is essential a far right group becoming a political party, because it seems to reflect their views on muslims...
And their votes, where 98% of people agree, comes from a long line of polls where the same result occurs (odd) and they never publish how many voters there are. And sane people arent going to phone up for a Daily Star vote anyway, are they?
In December their front pages apparently entirely consisted of stories about celebraties and anti muslim stories....god dammit, the Star makes me angry.
better written than mine...
"where bounce you livin hun?" thing from Facebook? Google says no.
not a general internet meme. I forget who started the thread but they didn't make a screen grab.
I wanted to send it to people. It still cracks me up.
Pretty sure it was the same one that brought us 'U LICK STRONGBOW OFF SMACK EDS BEERMATS' :D
She was at it again last night:
."i know did my ed in that did n me 2 hun...remember when i took my pink lava lamp in n took the top of it off n put an ash tray on the top so it wasnt 2 bright n it exploded...dont know if u was there but we had funny times x x"
(no capital a)
Surprising there hasn't been more made of this given they threw their official lot in with the EDL on Wednesday, although for whatever reason the EDL and what they stand for currently flies well under most radars except on march days.
And what meets my eyes in most photos of them is the world record attempt at the biggest Right Said Fred tribute band.
But it's not just about Islam in the UK, or rather people's problems with it. A group of angry (mostly white) working-class people like this was bound to spring up after a decade of this country impounding everything the (mostly white) working-class held dear as culture. Cappuccino and gap year culture has a lot to answer for.
I'll stop now because I'm definitely not a slippery "I'm not racist, but.." Richard Littlejohn type, but any smart person from say, Oldham or Barking, can tell where I'm coming from.
I think you're right that a group like this was bound to appear, but they can still completely fuck the fuck off. The only reason that people are unclear on what they stand for is because the EDL themselves don't really know. They're just a bunch of generally angry people who work themselves up into a froth over hearsay and misinformation, plus a number of people with hard-ons for cod-military organisation. Which makes them about as useful as a civil war reenactment club who've just been told that Charles I and Cromwell were secretly bumming each other whilst wearing burkhas.
I don't back the EDL, not for any moral, humanistic reasons - they should be allowed to protest in a democracy - but more that they can't articulate their anger to establish what they're actually fighting for. Different side of the same coin that UAF are one. To say there's something messed up about an organisation with members who burn swastikas and others who make monkey noises at black people in the street would be an understatement.
Whilst there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning the unpleasant elements of any religion, I don't think many of their members want polite discussion about building positive community relations over some nice cups of tea.
I agree with you on the "military hard-on", nowadays it can seem if you feel slightly uncomfortable with the glamorisation of the British armed forces you're automatically a poppy-burning Al-Qaeda sympathiser. It's ridiculous.
I think there is a sense of abandonment and a feeling of neglect by political parties, social services, etcetera which has been expressed in many deprived traditionally "white working class" areas, we knew that back when Darcus Howe did the "White Tribe" programme back in 1999 - some of it was filmed in Oldham, incidentally, but what I'm saying is, it's coming to the surface now like never before.
multiculturalism, immigration, Islam.. blah de blah. I'm adamant there has been a big airbrushing of robust, no-nonsense working-class English values since 1997. But I just don't know how to explain this any further without sounding like Danny Dyer
I, for one, would to see you explain this claim.
But I think there's maybe a kinda point in there somewhere.
(Haterz gon' hate, but) Brooker's recent series has raised some interesting and possibly related points. Look at what gameshows used to be like, for example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB4HAXDEGrg&t=5m09s "Glorified parlour games" have been replaced with weird hyperreal scenarios. This isn't just since 97 though. Probs more of a last 30 years thing.
'no-nonsense working-class English values' is a bit of an easy phrase to mock. And airbrushing could be said to have a whiff of paranoia about it. But there's definitely been a big change in society that has left some people feeling a bit 'lost'. A better Sociologist than I would make a better job of explaining this and might use words like 'aspiration' and 'consumerism' to illustrate the point.
I admit that this might not be the most persuasive argument you've ever heard, but I never promised to properly sum things up. This is a tricky thing to discuss without resorting to misty eyed cliches, or bandying daft stereotypes about, or, y'know, 'sounding like Danny Dyer'.
So, yeah, the EDL are misguided chumps who don't know what they're on about. With every month that passes, and every TV interview, their apparent official position is chipped away and refined to the point where it's actually not that radical. The last thing I saw of 'em was on Newsnight when, after all was said and done, their guy claimed not to have much of a problem with any race or religion, but that their only real gripe was with archaic literal Islamic dogma. Hardly that contentious really.
Again, I've no doubt that the EDL have more than their fair share of bigots and racists, but they generally seem (as 84joe says) like angry folk who (because of their lack of analytical skills) find that, rather than examining the reasons behind the root cause of their anger, it's much easier to let off some steam by banging on about bloody forrunuz. So the more worthwhile thing, for me, is to look at why these EDL chumps are so angry, rather than point out the obvious flaws in their easily refuted headline-grabbing gripes.
And I think there's a genuine case for saying that one of the results of this is that working class people don't have a voice in politics any more and this has led to massive gap which the EDL and the BNP have tried to capitalise on. There's a limit to how much they'll succeed of course for the simple reason that most white working class people are neither racist bigots or complete idiots but they will nonetheless make an impact on a percentage of marginalised and alienated people who feel they have no voice and have a perception that the government and society as a whole wants to reach out and be inclusive of as wide a section of the population as possible but at the same time completely ignore they're there.
I think there is an element of truth in saying that whenever white working class culture is portrayed in the media it usually involves some combination of benefits scrounging, multiple kids by different fathers, ASBOs, racism, homophobia and alcoholism and that this has been coupled with a period with the least opportunities for social mobility for several decades. Clearly that's a problem that's going to cause anger, which unfortunately gets misdirected.
Of course what makes it worse is the more attention the EDL get, there more the only 'political' working class voice in the media is one that portrays white working class people negatively as intolerant bigots and so they get more shunned and alienated by the media and the cycle perpetuates.
Plus the more isolated the working classes get, the less are likely to vote for parties that don't represent them and the less working class people who vote, the less point there is in political parties targeting the working classes so the more the political parties target Middle England further perpetuating the cycle.
I honestly think it would be relatively easy to have a political party representing the working classes without resorting to sexism, homophobia, religious intolerance and racism and it'd make it much harder for these groups to gain a foothold.
but a combination of a) that party utterly bottling it and b) those self same working classes being seduced by hollow temptation has put paid to that.
I live in hope that, in an AV-centric world there's some reconfiguring or realignment of political parties.