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there's gonna be so much carnage in Egypt today
it's going to be horrible
THEY TOOK THE INTERNET AWAY
SHIT IS ON
no net, no mobiles and no landlines
reports on Al Jazeera that 'Egyptian Counter Terrorist Units' are using live fire on protesters in Cairo
rioting in at least a dozen cities
ffs what is wrong with people
a few dented ex-Met truncheons..
not that I agree with Met tactics but this is a totalitarian iron fist
El Baradei reported arrested
TV crews being attacked and having their cameras smashed
A BBC journalist has apparently been beaten up by security forces
has the UK Government said anything about this?
I'd forgotten hearing the interview, but given his earlier remarks I'd expect him to condemn this pretty strongly. I'd hope so, anyway.
Out on the Red Sea though.
last i heard from her was yesterday morning, apparently water supplies have been cut off in certain areas.
somewhere. But their main port is an Eygptian one.
Rest assured there is NO WAY the liner will dock there if they think there's ac hance of trouble. They'll divert elsewhere if it's a dnager.
I am trying to list some Egyptian oil assets on the stock exchange right now. Not good timing. Also, I'm going to Sharm 3 weeks on Thurs. Eeep. *checks travel insurance*
at least 3 protesters confirmed dead following last nights protests in Suez
I've read other reports that as many as 20 protesters have been shot by Police there
according to Al Aribiya the Police are now retreating from Suez and the Army have taken command
the reason for this is that 2 Police commanders in Suez last night refused to comply with Government demands to use live ammunition on protesters. They've been arrested by 'security forces'
I hope they don't get caught up in anything
but really, there's 80million Egyptians who are in the firing line
what the fuck is Mubarak up to? Does he really not care what the international community thinks? Or has he been given the nod by forces elsewhere that he's a genuine untouchable ?
As posted above he has pretty solid support from the US and has been a close ally of the US for quite some time. Regardless of how many people that ends up getting killed, the official figure will be much lower and anyway they'll be depicted as muslim extremists.
Can't see any other country getting involved in this to try and sort him out so he has free reign to do what he wants.
already there are solidarity protests in Turkey and Jordan and Qatar
anti-government demonstrations in Yemen
Where next? It's not gonna stop till something changes
I'm watching pictures live on Al Jazeera of security forces shooting at protesters - all this despite an attempted communications lockdown. How can anyone in the international political community embrace Mubarak on the international stage after this?
but Mubarak is one of the good guys as far as the US is concerned so I fully expect them to protect him. It's not like he's a dictator.
Would be great if they hung him out to dry, but I'm not too optomistic.
his security forces are out there murdering their own citizens
I'd be surprised if they don't stand by him, or at the very least they'll just issue a statement that the situation is regrettable and both the government and the protestors should show restraint.
but he's OUR bastard."
A hangover tactic from the cold war. Be grateful there aren't as many of these bastards left around nowdays.
The authorities order us to
Bad call. Bad fucking call.
to be complicit in such atrocities
If they didn't comply they would no doubt lose their licence, and the directors would even be liable for prosecution. It would be a very brave CEO who disobeyed those orders. Also Vodafone head office wouldn't be happy if they lost the Egypt contract.
Egypt wont go back to from this point - what are the Government going to do? Keep phones and internet shut off indefinitely?
Mubarak's regime is not going to just soldier on and he can't quosh a revolution that is led by the people
turn on the live al jazeera feed http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
I've been following the BBC coverage and that makes out that only a few protestors are being killed, which doesn't seem too big a deal in the scheme of things.
What's showing on al jazeera, anything like a massacre?
BBC is reporting that the confrontations have taken a sinister turn
are from the window of their head office in Cairo
but even from just that point you can see armored vehicles intermittently charging protesters and firing rounds (some report live rounds, others rubber-coated steel bullets) and tear gas to attempt to disperse crowds on a key bridge
you know, I can't list all the things I've seen but it doesn't look like anywhere near over
in other reports protesters have taken Suez and Police have surrendered there
and all over Egypt the picture is the same - it's a popular revolution
people are being killed out there
the Army is arriving
and it looks like
the Army seems to be backing the protesters
If the army decides not to follow orders to suppress* the protestors.
* kill a lot of
I suspect that the protestors are no match for the army though. They'll no doubt give themselves up once enough people have been killed.
Can't see why Mubarak will have a problem. Just need to kill/torture/lock up enough people to get the message across and those pesky protestors will soon behave themselves, although it's possible that the army might turn against him.
no other country has ever put a total lockdown on mobile and net communications
and with no leaders of the revolution 'enough people to get the message across' - how many is that? 1million? 2 ? 10?
then they'll kill enough people until that message is sent and the protestors start behaving. Sounds promising that the army might actually back the protestors. Can't see any other way that a whole load of people won't get killed.
theyd be taken to court in the UK for not acting in their shareholders interests
Egyptian Christians said they will guard the Muslims from the police while they are on Friday Pray.
."But whack a full stop immediately outside your inverted commas whenever the quotation is a whole paragraph (applies to title & body text) and you'll be reet.".
(It's been acknowledged by sean on the errors board.)
The girl in that picture is WELL hot.
That's all I have to add to this thread.
Should be some bargain holidays on offer right now.
Not a good time to go if you want to stay alive though
what a pile of shit. So the US state is blocking a liberal revolution, with major corporations complicit. I don't understand how anyone could have faith in western .'liberal democratic'. values as extolled by the cunts in power after stuff like this. Or how the people in power actually live with themselves, knowing that they're doing something fully against the interests of millions of people.
And will continue to do so.
See: Vietnam; Korea; Philippines; Nicaragua; El Salvador; Iran; Iraq; Panama; Guam; Cuba etc etc etc etc etc etc
first time i've been around/conscious of it happening though. I like it NOT ONE BIT.
Mubarak has been in power for 30 years because he keeps winning elections! They LOVE him!
I used to get disappointed by this kind of stuff, but once you realise that morality is irrelevant in regards to international relations it makes a lot more sense. Obviously the US are happy with Mubarak in charge and don't want to rock the boat. I'm sure those in power sleep well at night.
so that you weren't left with what is actually the most dangerous problem in the Middle East, which is that an elite that has an open minded attitude but it's out of touch with popular opinion, and popular opinion that can often – because it has not been given popular expression in its politics – end up frankly with the wrong idea and a closed idea.
and then i said
that's a bit undemocratic isn't it?
popular opinion - the wrong idea
democracy for those with the right idea?
Blair said the west should engage with countries such as Egypt in the process of change -
to sean about this site
i'd quote my source, but i don't think that's a good idea
Stifling opinion on one of Europe's largest independent music sites is part of the Egyptian government's internet lockdown.
but he's still live. This is mental
Bearing in mind that, despite the corruption and mismanagement of the country, he’s one of the more pro-western leaders in the region, will it be a pro-democracy revolution, or will it be an Islamic one?
nobel peace prize guy. Apparently the public want him to. He's got a nobel peace prize, he must be alright... right?
He's said he would run for president if that's what the people want and that there are democratic reforms, so seems like a good enough choice.
Not sure if the Nobel Peace Prize is much of an endorsement though. Barak Obama has got one and he's done fuck all for peace.
Maybe it's time Google switched off those ads, eh?
Great time to book a discount holiday right now
dunno why i said blazing
Mental, mental scenes.
stupid work computer.
what a bastard.
Are Wave Machines the greatest band to come out of Liverpool since the La’s’?
...then I saw him in the papers and that. Never knew he was David Gilmour's adopted son or anything. Was pretty amazing, though.
if you watch it now, you can see muslim protesters praying whilst (presumably) christians stand by, in unity i guess. Obviously you couldn't guarantee anything but to deny the people a democracy because it could be dangerous isn't a very good argument imo
better off slaughtering a few hundred demonstrators?
that sat at complete odds with those weedy disclaimers at the start of your post.
Nice ad hominem, though, and well done for actually engaging with anything anyone has said. Great work.
If you can't parse hyperbole, and if you can't see how your whole post read like a string of leading questions, I'm not sure you should be throwing around phrases like "fucking imbecile". Classy.
Closer to home
There has been some democratic opposition in the past, and it doesn't seem like a religiously driven protest.
idk maybe it is, though. Can Mohamed el Baradei be a significant figure in the aftermath of whatever the hell is going on?
Also, someone from the Muslim Brotherhood is speaking on Al Jazeera now, which should be interesting.
Almost gaurenteed. What that means in the wider Middle East is what I'm more interested in though.
Egypts mostly Shia isn't it? So presumably, based on my rather limited understanding of MidEast politics, Iran would back them. Which would upset the Saudis, and presumably, Isrealis.
Although its interesting no other country is speaking out in favour of the rev. or anything, that I know of. That mean anything?
man, got that pretty wrong then. so yeah, can't wait to see how the local powers handle whoever wins out in this, and the US reaction
now THAT is the scenario no-one wants to see.
and the national guard were firing tear-gas at protestors as they were praying. Stay classy, egyptian police.
is Al-Jazeera still broadcasting?
been watching it for like an hour. Really fascinating
Denis is fat and works in a Chocolate factory!!
prime candidate for Egyptian presidency, old Denis
This is the modern age: revolution broadcast live around the globe. I watch Cairo burning whilst drinking tea at my desk. The way we experience the events of our lifetime is going to be so radically different from those of the 20th century. I can't begin to imagine what the next large-scale world conflict will be like from the perspective of the ordinary citizen.
i dont really understand...
there are just a few uncomfirmed reports of the police firing at the military and protestors together, though no casualties or anything. But it seems as if the military could easily turn. This is well exciting.
but if the police are being hostile to the military, then fuck knows whats gonna happen
i hope the egyptian museum will be ok :s
have we stupidly given it all back recently though?
they wanna put the stone of scone back to engrand - there was much comment of course that the stone being transferred was not the rear stone at arr, but a reprica which had taken its place either in the 13th century or in the 1950s.
Some people want to give back the Elgin Malbles to Molay. They want to give the Stone of Scone back to England - thele was much comment of coulse that the stone being tlansfelled was not the leal stone at all, but a leplica which had taken its place eithel in the 13th centuly ol in the 1950s.
he's going DOWN.
I really need to stop watching al jazeera now.
Mubarak is officially fucking crazy
bloodbath to follow
army won't side with Mubarak, they've basically already made their intentions fairly clear. The only power he has now lies with the presidential guard, who i imagine will probably surrender before they're all killed by the normal army anyway.
I'm hopeful that this is gonna be relatively bloodless.
their headquarters in Suez and I think in other places was on fire, and all over Egypt the curfew was ignored and the police were nowhere to be seen. They were just overwhelmed by the protesters. IDK they could come back tomorrow, but so long as the army sticks around i don't think they'll be a problem.
Trust me i've watched al jazeera for like 5 hours today, I know my stuff ;)
makes me feel a bit optimistic about the aftermath. a bit
Glad to see you haven't lost your sense of perspective and subtly, Joe.
I know I could just read about this but I thought I'd ask here first because I'm lazy. I presume he's a bit bad and dictatory.
Been in power for nearly 30 years and people have had enough.
Hope that wasn't too long and detailed for you.
Road blocks all over the place where Egyptians were searched and guys with big guns making sure no one harmed the tourists. Also we were tracked all over the country. It was a bit disturbing.
Saw him at ATP last year and I can see how he could be a leader of people. Hope his new commitments won't stop him from returning to tour here again.
so, so, so, shit
fucking crooked Governments all over the world supporting each other against the people
makes me so angry
but what if the Egyptians end up toppling Mubarak and elect the wrong sort of government. Democracy is a fine in theory but some people can't be trusted to elect the right leaders.
You've got to remember that other governments are only concerned about their own interests, not those of the people of Egypt. Imagine for instance if the Egyptians elected a government that wasn't so friendly to Israel.
and would prefer that things didn't change. The US wouldn't give him $1.3bn worth of weapons a year if he wasn't doing a good job. It's not obvious that El Baradei would win an election. As I understand it, the National Association for Change of which he is leader, is more a group to pressure reforms than a political party as such. The Muslim Brotherhood are represented in the NAC. I'm assuming if there were elections then the Muslim Brotherhood would have separate candidates.
As far as I'm aware he still has their support. I'm not aware of any western leader has criticised him beyond saying that violence should avoided and that he should enact reforms.
Has any leader said that there should be moves towards democracy? What makes you think that western leader are not happy with Mubarak?
and because he's fomenting a wave of protests across the arab middle east
He does not have a hope of putting down this popular revolt without massively extending the massacre that is already underway
And this is a popular revolt - it is NOT being orchestrated by the Muslim Brotherhood or Islamist hardliners... but you can bet your arse that if this is put down the next uprising WILL be led from the Mosques
but most people couldn't give a fuck about Egypt and whether they are ruled by a repressive dictator or not. Even if they commit a massacre the average person would just think 'oh well that's what happens in those crazy backward muslim countries'. You are in a small minority of people who are taking note of what is happening.
On a plus note it seems Hilary Clinton has finally mentioned that horrible word 'democracy' and implied that there will be a transition of power so maybe even the US is starting to turn, although of course these are just words. I fully expect the US to continue to support him while he has a chance of staying in power, and fair enough too, he's been a great ally of the US.
wait a second M U R K Y B = M U B A R A K
US wants stability and their own guy in Egypt - clearly
Doesn't look like Mubarak is either
Obama calls for the restoration of Internet and other communications and reforms in line with human rights...
Mubarak installs his spy chief - who incidentally ran the CIA torure rendition programme - as VP and the head of the Air Force as Prime Minister and orders his police force to agitate and loot to discredit demonstrators
meantime, the streets are filled with people ready to die in order to bring down Mubarak
Hundreds already dead. Saddam Hussein was hung for less than this.
And to think that no one gives a fuck about what is going on in Egypt right now shows a great deal of näivety
but the people of Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Algeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia & Palestine are gonna be a bigger force in this
not to mention Libya, Turkey, Kuwait etc.
you think that it's in the interests of the west for the middle east to be an incubator of terrorism ?
in order to justify their profitable arms trade in the region ? in order to keep their own people down through increased fear and security ? or for some other reason?
The actions of the west in regards to inflaming the causes of terrorism don't make a lot of sense to me, but that's possibly because the actual threat of terrorism against the west is so tiny and insignificant that it's effectively ignored.
The reasons you gave regarding the arms trade and controlling their people through fear are possibly part of the west's actions in supporting dictators throughout the middle east, and of course the energy resources in that part of the world are major factor.
It's also possible that the world's leaders just don't have a clue what they are doing.
Yes I am actually Mubarak. My attempts to stifle the miffling on this website about my presidency have been unveiled. I hereby resign as president.
But seriously as grouchland notes, most people in the west care about getting their hole and money. Maybe I will be proved wrong and there will be mass protests around the Western world in solidarity with the Egyptian people.
You can't compare Saddam to Mubarak. He was a very bad guy and a dictator. As noted up thread just a few days ago Biden said how Mubarak has been a great ally to the US and is not a dictator.
and it has been unplugged from the NileSat which I believe means it can't be seen in Egypt and coverage is interrupted in the wider region
Not sure who, if anyone, is going to enforce the shut-down order. Al-Jazeera obviously have more balls that Vodafone for example
Can't believe the authorities haven't taken the cameras down yet.
I'm hoping it's more an effort to intimidate the protesters than anything else.
Heard about protests in Yemen too, but that was only on /b/ so, uh, barrel full of salt.
million man march planned in Cairo tomorrow and the Police are being re-deployed
.“Let me tell you something. What did I say to you about four weeks ago? You haven’t seen the Muslim population of Europe riot yet. If what is happening?– if the Muslim brotherhood takes Egypt, it destabilizes the entire Middle East. It sets the Middle East?– if not immediately, within a reasonable period of time, sets the entire thing on fire. The Muslim brotherhood is not good. So, it sets the Middle East on fire. As soon as anyone thinks that there is a shot, the Muslim radicals in Europe and in England rise up. You don’t think that there’s going to be?– you’ve got the communists and the Muslim radicals. They are not one and the same. They’re not coordinating or anything else, but once they start to work together, whether it’s coordinated or not?– and I don’t believe it would be?– once they start to work in concert, Europe is done. It is done. I don’t know how you?– where is the police force that’s going to be able to police the entire world like that? Russia? The United States? How are you going to quell the middle east?”.
Free, fair, open democracies and open trade on a free market
not American free
Assuming Egypt doesn't already have that (I have no idea) the chances are that if you tried it you'd just see their entire economies go down the pan like Eastern Europe after the Iron Curtain fell.
As a tourist I'd support any leader who agrees to put in a decent traffic light and road crossing system in Cairo and get motorists to adhere to it. (That's not entirely serious in case anyone had any doubts. I know what people are like.)
one of the injustices of the Mubarak regime has been the creation of corrupt monopolies owned and run by the inner circle - basically a Cabal syphoning the riches of the State.
It happens in many places to a varying degree. It's part and parcel of the dictatorial apparatus in Egypt (and across the Middle East in general)
Yeah, we in the West do have a problem with that, you're right.
teaching us that while communists and muslim radicals are not the same, they will probably join their considerable forces to conquer Europe.
Somebody will be happy.
I've never seen anything quite like it before
thank fuck the Army is neutral - hope it stays that way
but I can't help feeling Mubarak is just not going to walk
I wonder if the crowds are going to march on the Presidential palace ?
bit of a long way to march to. Maybe they could all call a taxi?
thousands of prisoners have escaped from jail.
I've been watching the Al Jazeera feed over the past five days, why do they not have adverts? It's brilliant, but how does that work for them?
from the crowds
They should roll up to the Palace and tell him to get his bags packed
this could end up getting worse in the long run
He sounds as big a cunt as Mubarak. I'm guessing it's Israel as he's their mate.
biggest facepalm in history BY.A.MILE.
Not lose the support of the army. Let the soft, lefty liberals have their non-violent protest knowing that they won't start a fight and appear like you make some concessions. Sends in some of his own supporters who actually don't mind a fight and scare them all off. Sit tight till Septemeber and hold the same shit, illegitimate elections when you hand power over to someone you want, with a parliament full of his mates. Nice.
you're talking about the killing of innocent people
It is not 'nice'
either way he can still get the fuck out of my thread
I'm not sure I do have previous for trolling either. And that statement is quite clearly despairing at how Mubarak has played people and will probably end up in a similar position and nothing much will change. Sorry if it didn't come across.
Just checked the BBC feed and if it's true that Mubarak has sent in undercover police to drive out the protesters then he certainly seems to have played it well indeed. If they can beat up enough of the anti-Mubarak protesters they'll think twice about protesting again. He could probably even run again in September if he wanted, but will most likely hand leadership over to his son or one of his cronies (who will amazingly win the elections by a landslide). Mubarak can then retire and will remembered as a great leader who brought Egypt back together after what seemed like total collapse.
i missed a lot of what's going on.
Mubarak sacks government in response.
Mubarak appoints new government
New vice-president says he'll oversee talks with all parties to work towards reform
Mubarak says he won't stand for election in September
Mubarak supporters (alleged to be partially/largely made up of plain-clothes police) attack protesters.
Other things of note - Al Jazeera closed down in Cairo, internet blocked from Friday till today, Army remain neutral.
I may have missed one or two things.
a) the army has been overwhelmed or fucked off
b) the police have taken their uniforms off and started a massive riot
to the use of the Freikrops in crushing the German revolution the capitalist state has always used gangs of armed thugs as the whip of counter revolution.
Does anyone really believe that these pro-mubarak 'protesters' wreaking violence upon the revolutionary people of Egypt represent anything else but the regime putting into action a well rehearsed plan to crush the revolution?
Meanwhile the US et al call for all sides to show restraint and refrain from violence!?
for Glorious Revolution!
Simplistic analysis aside, heres some interesting stuff on why Egypt is not Iran;
and the end of the 'Arab Exception'. That everyones better off under democracy. Apart from Arabic countries, who need a strong leader to tell them wots wot.
More and more of the world seems to be going for democracy... Probably the most optimistic I've felt in a good long while.
But I don't really see what's simplistic about my post. What is taking place in Egypt is undoubtedly a revolution - a revolution that is not just based on political demands but deep seated economic contradictions (see this article from last year for an excellent analysis - http://www.marxist.com/egypt-the-gathering-storm.htm).
The regime are trying to crush this revolution at all costs - even if that means drowning it in the blood the of the Egyptian people. The police and internal security services were comprehensively defeated last friday and they don't dare order the army to attack the protesters for fear of the generals refusing (thus removing their last basis of support, as happened in Tunisia) or provoking a mutiny from rank and file soldiers.
In such situations the state has traditionally utilised gangs of lumpen thugs as a proxy for state violence and this is just what happened in Egypt. It is a nonsense to present this simply as a clash between pro and anti Mubarak supporters as large sections of the media have done. The reality of course is that it was highly organized and well planned, a final desperate effort to prop up the Mubarak dictatorship.
The US et al are currently scrambling to ensure that we have a nice orderly transition to a nice safe and 'stable' democracy but when Mubarak finally goes I suspect that this will not be the end of the story.
it's a brutal assualt on the people
journalists, beaten, arrested, stabbed
human rights watch arrested
all live TV shut down
Snipers in Tahrir square
Police running over crowds in armoured vans
Sulieman the CIA torture chief smiles on TV and says 'Everyone loves Mubarak. He is like our Father' Accuses political elements and foreigners for inciting riots. Says he's implemented all the reforms protesters have asked for.
Is the whole world just going to stand by with their hands in their pockets?
how can someone do something like that? how the fuck is this government still standing??
so it goes
but the quality of news coverage on al jazeera is so far above sky news etc its untrue.
when normally half an hour is seriously pushing it. It's incredible.
The presenter would ask a genuinely insightful question, and the Palestinian official would then say, "well there are seven points to be made on this issue..." and be allowed to speak for ages, in depth, without resorting to soundbites. The interview went on for about twenty minutes. It was incredible. I couldn't keep up with the conversation for a while because I've simply never had to listen with such concentration to television news before.
If somebody did a relaunch of Firing Line.
Right now, the most intelligent debate to be had on British television comes in hurried five minute chunks on Newsnight. If you watch old episodes of Firing Line it makes me so sad that there's nothing as genuinely intelligent on television any more.
So much better than anything else. Maybe i'll just have to watch it for all my news from now on.
it's turning ugly, but it smacks of desperation to me, and it certainly won't win anyone over/crush the protests.
Definitely feels like a new era in the middle east. It'll be really interesting to see how the middle east/israeli-palestinian conflict plays out once a democratic system is in place. I guess it's not all gonna be pretty, but if a number of stable legitimate arab states arise out of this, all putting pressure on israel, then... i dunno, i'm cautiously optimistic. But then i might be bullshitting.
The repressive system that Mubarak has in place may not change that much. It will just have some different people in charge. A bit like in those other new middle east democracies Iraq and Afghanistan where corruption and torture continue, just with a different face.
Also not sure what kind of pressure arab states can put on Israel. It would be suicidal for any nation to attack nuclear-armed US-backed Israel and sanctions by arab states would not have much effect.
the israel thing was pure speculation tbf, but any tiny step in the right direction (which i think this is) is a very good thing, considering.
and as you say any little step in the right direction is a good thing
I always was going to stand down in September, for realz. You didn't have anything to do with that, I just cba anymore, y'know, after all the wonderful things I, your dad, have sweated out for you. Don't make me get my belt off. Alright, alright...you win. I'll appoint the Chief of the Secret Police to hear your concerns. The Egyptians currently protesting in the streets are not real Egyptians, they are made-up Egyptians. I'm going to send some equally fictional Egyptians to stomp them good. Go back to bed.
Meant to say, you do get a very good sense of 30 years of happy suppression.
It's not like Mubarak turned in to a cunt in the last week. He's been a cunt for 30 years and has been well supported by the west all this time. He's been a valuable ally and really helped us out, he's one of the good leaders in the middle east because he's on our side and suppresses those pesky islamists, further more he's been helping the Israelis with the blockade of Gaza and has come in very handy if we need to outsource some torture. Fair enough now that the international spotlight is on his actions they will say a few things now about how his violence is not acceptable any more, but it's not like the US have said they will stop writing the cheques for the $1.3bn in weapons they give him each year.
Not sure what the international community can do anyway. The US certainly wouldn't invade (I hope), and while I have heard some talk of sanctions that would only empower Mubarak and hurt the citizens of Egypt.
The only hope I can see for the end of his rule is if the Army go against him. Not sure if that will lead to democracy down the line though.
"The entire Mediterranean is on fire." Jfc...
is basically the communist-jewish conspiracy rehashed for a different generation of racists isn't it?
I like how he includes Italy in the MUSLIM CALIPHATE. Also 'the overwhelming radical population of the uk, the radical islamists'?!
I'm sure he wouldn't like such a rumour spread about him. You better be careful.
Well I guess that's a victory in some way, at least he's been humiliated by being forced to stand down before he's ready, although he may not see it that way as he goes off to retire somewhere in opulent luxury.
Guess it all depends what happens in the September elections, whether there will be any real change in Egypt. Hope most of the activists don't get locked up before then.
Mubarak is clearly deluded and out of touch with reality. He's in a battle for power with the army and the people's revolution could get messy. All the best to Egypt's citizens - may tomorrow be a better day.
Now I just hope it all goes well and Egypt can elect someone in free and fair elections.
Also hope they elect the right kind of leader, otherwise we may have to invade those fuckers and sort them out.
What a total spineless cuntsplash dickfuck wankarse. Seriously wanna shank him and all the other western leaders who secretly wished Mubarak could've sorted it out himself rather than coming out in favour of democracy the moment serious protests arose. If anti-american/western populism does gain power in Egypt it will be through the use of soundbites like Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton saying Mubarak is a stable leader and not a dictator. They've been digging their own graves essentially, although i guess it's not their graves they were digging, more those of troops and innocent civilians. I think it's funny how they don't seem to believe their own rhetoric that democracies don't go to war with each other.
/rant over. Not particularly angry at all, just think it's a bit scary how stupid the people at the Top can be sometimes.
leaving (US-funded and US-approved) Army generals in his wake to take the reins...?
I am sensing Egypt will probably end up like Tunisia 2.0.