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and I think it's about time Andy "Messi couldn't do it on a cold winter night against Stoke" Gray was sent to the knacker's yard. For what it's worth, the lino made an excellent call for the first Liverpool goal - one that a lot of male assistants would probably have bottled. Ironically, Gray and Keys come across like a pair of reactionary Daily Mail readers when that was the paper which exposed them. Megalolz
The call for the first goal was the correct decision..
I've seen her twice, once she was very good, players didn't seem to approach her in the same way. Once she was really, really bad. So it averages out that she is better than most of the refs in the league.
can't even function, rose arr spatiar awareness.
Sky said: <quote>The comments are not acceptable. They were not made on air but we have spoken to Richard and Andy and told them our views and they have apologised and expressed their regret.</quote>
Pfft. They should have the decency to resign. Like Big Ron when he came out with his nonsense at ITV. Failing that, sack 'em both.
And I'm pretty sure if it was some of the other "lesser" pundits who had been caught saying this then Sky would sack, or at least force the resignation, of them. As it's these two though I'm sure they'll remain.
When I read it though I thought it was just two guys having a bit of a laugh, but then listening to it they do sound proper serious about it - bellends.
I actually think that the FA should use mainly female officials for games; the institutional sexism* would actually be useful, I doubt Wayne Rooney or whomever is going to feel quite as big and tough screaming at a woman in front of 70,000 people as he does screaming at a man, so might cut it out a bit.
*just my opinion
Parliament would prolly be loads better if it were more equally divided, gender-wise. But it's a masculine thing, so women don't tend to go for it. So it stays as it is. Though there is alleged evidence (which I can't be arsed googling for) to show that when a parliament reaches a certain percentage of female MPs, things tend towards even themselves out after that. (I think it's ~30-something% and it's currently 22% in the UK). </barely-related-tangent>
it's the same with having more women in business. It arways improves the quarity of decision making to have more diversity. The amount of capabre women out whose tarents are going untapped is astonihsing. I#d tap that.
The Indian Parliment is Bicameral, and a third of the seats in each house will be reserved for women; the idea being that once the "macho" atmosphere has been diluted and the electorate can clearly see that women politicians are equally as incompetent as men, numbers should naturally move to about 50%, in exactly the way you suggest.
I thought it was a Nordic/Scandinavian country, but maybe one of them does that, too.
30% of the seats in parliament are reserved for women, but the actual female representation in the lower house is currently 56%, making it the only country in the world where women have the majority in parliament.
that you'd have to positively discriminate to get women into the jobs, because I imagine the "applicants" are overwhelmingly male.
Nice try, Littlejohn. ( It's his #5 obsession - http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/2011/01/23/richard-littlejohns-obsessions/ )
Do you not think that when it can be solidly argued that a more representative male-female parliamentary MP ratio would offer 'better' results (where the existing disparity is almost certainly skewed at present due to pre-existing distortions), that's quite a different thing to suggesting that something unaffected by gender (like, say, footy refs or dentists or whatever) should have quotas.
I just read it through, and it's fine.
that's pretty much fine, but when they make idiotic comments in their own time about footballers or those involved in football when almost on the television, that's like 'an issue'.
I think everyone knew Andy Gray and this other guy were sexist pigs just to look at them, as everyone must have known pioneering Affirmative Action coach Ron Atkinson was a massive racist, too. But you wouldn't want Bidisha commenting on the football, now would you? (I actually would)
WHO DROPPED YOU?
I can't stand either of them anyway, I've always been astounded that Keys is as high profile as he is. It would be great (and deserved) if they were sacked for this.
W: 1 D: 0 L: 1
someone from the production team must have leaked it to the press.
I like that they went to the mail too. no messing around.
She was right to make the call, they won't get sacked because of their popularity.
for tonights game. i.e. brushed under a carpet for a week or so, probably flown to benidorm.
Due to the structure of the broadcasting packages for the 2010-13 seasons, Sky will show a minimum of 12 live Premier League games on Monday nights. As before, the programme has a different appearance to Super Sunday, with Andy Gray's amateurish analysis also returning from its Sunday evening slot.
"The sexism debate even cropped up in Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish's news conference on Monday.
At the start, Dalglish jokingly asked Sky's male reporter whether he minded that there was a woman present."
Richard Keys in particular is probably the slimiest person I've ever looked at
but Richard Keys?
Thought he was some sort of teddy bear nice guy, maybe he's an ambivalently repressed gay dude. Or just a massive misogynist.
because if it was they've taken the article down :D
Basically it's the piece where Dave Bassett says women should stay out of commentary as they undermined football's credibility and they haven't played the game (unlike, say, Jonathan Pearce's long and distinguished England career. And to cap it, it turned out Oatley had been a semi-pro player before injury intervened)
I'd be surprised if he gets out of this one. You have to wonder whether someone at Sky has got it in for him, and why.
'In the new recording, Gray and reporter Andy Burton are heard discussing Miss Massey’s appearance before Gray again questions her ability to understand the offside law.
Burton describes Massey as ‘a bit of a looker’, referring to comments made by another member of the broadcasting team. ‘He says she is all right,’ the reporter adds. ‘Now I don’t know if I should trust his judgement on that?’
Gray appears to sneak a look at Miss Massey, who is out of shot, while saying: ‘Nah, I wouldn’t. I definitely wouldn’t.'
... sue News International over the Andy Coulson thing? Biting the hand that feeds him comes to mind.
Looks increasingly like a stitch-up to me. Handy way to get rid of someone on a bloated contract.
I wouldn't. I definitely wouldn't.
I have too, more for fooballing reasons, but The Sun having the nerve to stick the knife in them for being sexist. Wow....
'In the football media Gray is quite open about his disregard for anyone who "hasn't played the game" but will at least say hello and talk over a drink. He radiates the frustrated energy of the ex-pro and wears the look of a man who sometimes struggles to control his passions.
Keys, supposedly the professional journalist of the two, is unrelentingly aloof, as if to talk to print reporters might lower the wattage of his fame. He affects the air of a TV star who has become an extension of the game he is meant to be presenting and describing. As the temperature rose after Sunday's exposé it was left to his sister to come on the airwaves and say, in effect, that Keys is not sexist and that some of his best friends are women. He even has some in his family.'
but how is that in any way balanced?
See Julie Welch's 'commentary':
and illustrate it with the most risque photos they could find on her Facebook!
Gray at least has an understanding of the game, just an old man trapped in a different era. Keys on the other hand is a fucking prat.
Pundits come and go - ITV quickly got over their own top analyst being sacked. Keys has been Sky Sports' top anchorman for its entire existence, and if you assume Stelling wouldn't step up as his current schedule allows him to do Soccer Saturday (which is too big a brand itself to tamper with, and it too once lost its main punditry attraction in Rodney Marsh) and Countdown they've got nobody who could replace him.
There's some ridiculous levels of irony going on here. The channel of the Soccerette standing up for sexual fairness, after a piece in the Mail on Sunday that supported the very PC notion of equality.
and just playing up to a soccer fan sterotype in a jokey way. as well as the fact the women were happy to be involved and go along with the joke. this is a different thing.
It's really not much of a joke any more given how long they've been doing it for and all the tie-ups it has now with Zoo/Nuts models. Interesting to see what they do on Saturday given all non-football fans doubtless think all football fans are like this (the Guardian refers today to how it's "led football back to the brink of the dark ages". Yeah, it's exactly like hooliganism and mass racist chanting)
Because of the media shitstorm through no action of her own
Can't believe they sacked Andy Gray! Nonsense
Sacked for telling the truth, what has the world came to.
U hear worse sexism on loose women, get them aff the telly
Let's get them to try and explain the offside rule in tomorrows programme...
Haha! Great solution. I'd actually like to hear Karren Brady explain it too, boot!
git them aff the tailly
see you, jamesie
but at the end of the day only vacant vessels watch Loose Women... at least Football needs some degree of intelligence to appreciate and as such people involved SHOULD know better.
I don't really care or want anything done about it, mind.
Watch it right through to the end.
Can't believe some people are upset by this, Gray leaving is something to celebrate. He's so repetitive in his commentating, I'm so fed up of hearing how player x provides a 'genuine threat' or Rooney just missed a 'genuine chance'.
even germaine greer would be pissing herself watching that 2nd goal
but this video isnt even in the same ballpark as the other stuff. i'd imagine they'd be laughing just as hard if men and scored that ridiculous goal.
in fact I'm sure they have done
pretty much all those goals weren't exactly a convincing advert for womans football with 2 of the top English women teams playing to a standard I'd expect on a school field in a match between 2 teams who weren't particularly good at football.
Ea Sports will have a vacancy now surely?
and attracts tourists... especially during international competitions. And at the end of the day it's their for entertainment and sport in general helps us vent out frustration without resorting to inter-county wars *unless you live in Leeds* and it is at it's core a valid type of entertainment that people will happily pay for.... the league structure and the politics merely add to it's entertainment value
but on air i think they're the best around. i enjoy their coverage most of the time.
Yes, there is a degree of casual sexism on both sides. Personally I don't think the type of Loose Women-esque stuff is too offensive or damaging (though if you're looking at it from the view of building up restricting gender stereotypes I can see why it might be). The fact is the Gray - Keys incident wasn't just slightly sexist banter; it was a targeted sexist insult at a woman who is clearly qualified. They devalued all her qualifications and work purely on the basis of gender. Now Loose Women might joke about men not being able to cook/sew/clean/be sensitive but they sure as hell wouldn't say that a man who was qualified to be a nanny/make-up artist/other traditionally female job was not capable. In fact they'd probably applaud it.
I obviously don't watch that shite but I'm not sure they've ever seriously suggested someone was incapable of doing their job on the grounds of their gender, before they'd even had a chance to prove themselves. If Gray and Keys' comments had just been top BANTS I suspect they'd have been let off after a slap on the wrist, but there was no hint of a joke and they seemed deadly serious.
Because typically female roles aren't roles that men are 'supposed' to take on. I think the distinction you've drawn is a nonsense, tbh. Not that I'm even slightly bothered by either Gray getting the sack or ITV continuing to abuse the unemployed.