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they said initially that she'd been killed but twitter's saying she's "responding to commands". Hope she's ok.
somewhere, right now, Arnie is reloading.
Too early? Too early.
where doctors upgraded her condition to 'alive'.
But yeah this is pretty awful stuff.
Wonder what'll happen now?
and pretty much nothing.
2)'kill the mental! KILL KILL'
Things are getting a bit mental at the moment.
"Christina Taylor Green, the young girl killed in the shooting, was born on 9/11 and featured in a book - Faces of Hope, Babies Born on 9/11 - about some of the children born on that day."
what are the odds?
but it's probably not THAT unlikely that a child killed in a tragedy was born on a significant date
I wish I was a whizz at maths/statistics/probability and could work out the odds ... I'd bet they're freakishly long odds
but we'd also think it freaky if any of those 50 were killed (I apologise a bit for talking about this coldly) in any high-profile tragedy (though this shooting is admittedly particularly remarkable) at any point in their life. So that reduces the odds quite a bit.
Also, given 6 people were killed, one of them was likely to have been a child and then the odds are probably only hundreds/thousands to one that they were born on 11/09/2001.
i want to put this as subtly as possible because until all the facts are in we don't know, but this has been coming for a long time.
how can people possibly get so worked up about things like the healthcare bill, that help those who are desperately in need and who the market won't provide for? They may disagree with it, which i suppose is fair enough, but to be so vehemently opposed to it as many are is baffling. Hopefully this shooting will make people come to their senses.
The thing about the conservative cable and radio stations...and the liberal one too for that matter...is that is panders to strongly supporting some political agenda. It's not the first politically motivated shooting of course, but I worry that people who want their 15 minutes of fame will be inclined to do this sort of thing more often.
Political apathy!: I should make a t-shirt...
she's been threatened, etc. even if this particular shooting has nothing to do with politics (i'd wager that it's a factor, personally) , the problem still exists.
National SOCIALIST party
age of civility can wait until people don't hope it's someone from a political party they have disagreements with. grow up.
PUT IT DOWN GARY!
You rather group x got killed cos they have different political views to you rather than group y.
Grow the fuck up little boy.
I just don't wish death on people.
and haven't read the whole thread...
He's clearly not adopted a 'if someone has to get shot in the brain, I hope it's someone whose politics differ from mine' stance. It's a 'if someone has to get shot in the brain, I hope it's someone in a position of power and authority who strongly advocates the right to own arms and not one of the poor plebs fucked over by the legislation they back' stance.
I'm defending ho_fo! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
It makes me sad when people are shot. I think that's the stance I'm going to take. :(
guns don't kill people, a culture of psycopathic 'might is right', yee-haw! bullshit does
whereas I'm saying gun culture is OVERTLY brandished in the USA - the world's largest military nation by a LONG chalk - and a significant minority of the population of that country are armed and unstable.
Something like 3 million American males have been in active service overseas in the last 20 years
The tea party and their incitement is no further away from this incident than Al-Qaeda is from 'local' forms of terrorism
the consequences are not at all unintended, they are deliberate with plausible deniability
and what defines crazy is social cues and norms
outside of a few urban metropolitan centres in the US is a completely different land with a completely different set of values; this is what gives the Tea Party their momentum, this is what gives democratically elected federal politicians the gall to go out in public and call for the assassination of Julian Assange et al. or anyone deemed an 'enemy of America'
it's a whole psychological battlefield and incidents such as this are what? collateral damage ?
I really worry about the mental health of the Fox News-double Iraq war-post 9/11 generation ... and so do the other half of the American people
I'm talking about the consequences of a rhetorical movement through a feedback loop of aggression and arms
it's clear that this guy is a textbook 'crazed loner' of the MK ULTRA variety...a Manchurian candidate if you will
and the US DOJ's subpoena issue with Icelandic MPs & Twitter and all the connotations of that story are getting nicely buried
Nothing to do with short sleeved shirts.
Kinda reads like creakyknees to me, but, yeah...
otherwise it gets taken down
from being one of those magic signings on Championship Manager 01/02.
The guy was being sarcastic and it got completely misunderstood...
it's a bit optimistic thinking that people are going to automatically see the sarcasm
on sarah palin's website: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrismenning/sarah-palin-targeted-gabrielle-giffords
giffords had commented on this. wonder if palin is going to own up to it or not? either way, VERY scary stuff. i'm honestly just waiting for another "civil" war.
Doesn't look like a tea-partier really. In fact, it's quite difficult to see any sort of coherent political world view, or anything else really, in that. He does seem awfully upset about illiteracy though.
when will the horror end?
said your instead of you're in one of those posts
... and your point is?
although every gun wielding conspiracy nut shares quite a lot in common with your average tea party member. But a lot of stuff on there and in his videos suggests he's more severely disturbed in general then set off by anything particularly political.
the police are unconstitutional. As is charging for education.
I agree it seems unlikely that he's a tea partier, but i would bet on the shooting being about healthcare, meaning he's associated with them by proxy.
I don't know, some of the language is definitely similar to tea-party/Fox news rhetoric, but trying to follow where he's going with it is pretty tortuous. If anything it sounds more libertarian, but I suspect that just says more about libertarianism than anything else.
it shouldn't matter if he was a left winger or a right winger or somebody studiously neutral, this is just a horrible thing, and from an outside perspective it just seems symptomatic of a country where killing sprees are kind of turning into a national past-time.
At the end of the day, any US 'liberal' who tries to make political capital out of this rather than take it as an opportunity to address the country's gun laws, or its laughable healthcare system vis a vis poor people with mental health proplems is, y'know, pretty lame.
He typed, whilst drunk, from his bedroom in London, England.
describe using this to address the country's gun laws or its laughable healthcare system as making political capital out of it.
6 other people have died.
i think it's fair to say her life as she knew it is over.
Some horrific interviews from people, and constantly talking about her in the past tense. Much respect for the local sheriff though. His press conference was impressive, particularly as he personally new one of the deceased as a friend.
but he certainly said Arizona was "the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry", so it wouldn't surprise me. He possibly should have toned down the political statements a touch.
i am consistently impressed by the eloquence and composure of seemingly parochial and non-academic americans when being interviewed, in comparison to their british counterparts
but even if they put uk councillors on tv 90% of them would seem like inbred fuckwits.
see: that american girl 'theashes' who got plucked from nowhere and became famous because of the cricket. automatically charismatic and comfortable in front of the microphone.
IDK, it's like they have innate media training or something.
specifically talked about the Palin target map and how it made her feel threatened? If not here it is:
are just depressing as fuck.
Check out the comments on any yahoo article about this if you want to be really fucking depressed. After that the comments on the Guardian are quite intelligent and civilized.