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I alreayd know Mart's and kik's answer so don't ye bother
but then there are a million things to say about London.
Christ on a bike she's rough as fuck.
because of the Industrial Revolution and it's influence on the city's architecture.
I love Manchester. No contest.
Colder than Dublin and worse Guinness
Nah. Edinburgh is. Glasgow's wetter tho. Guinness? Mebbes. Gigs? Gotcha. I'd defo have a think about living in Dublin if I weren't here, though.
A bit too close to Ldn, but a really great city to live in, all told. Ldn's great for visiting, and then to leave behind and come home from.
I like Manchester
I think people are bigger pricks in London
but london is overrated
Nights out are better in Manchester. It's big enough that there's lots to do but small enough that you can walk everywhere.
never lived in manchester
obviously you can't walk everywhere, the whole city is far too big. But the nightlife places that I, as a tourist, go, are all walkable, whereas in London you can spend half your time travelling.
I used NO public transport
Manchester isn't that big really.
it's partly my locality i suppose. everything simultaneously manages to close absurdly early AND not shut the fuck up until about 4am. oh the sirens. the SIRENS. and the wankers. i don't think people are ruder in london but a lot of them don't half dress like twats. the only upside to being in london i've felt this year was being vaguely in the proximity of shit happening politically. it's such a tiring place to live in. unfortunately next year i'm going to moscow where everything is even bigger, further away, and more crowded and laughably expensive. why lord why
(or the south?)
for some reason i suddenly think people will give me shit for this.
I live in Manchester and love it. I like London but would have a hard time being able to afford social stuff at the level I'm at in a career.
Manchester has tons of gigs, nice cafes, some good buildings, great little suburbs. I like learning more about the buildings, I went on a walk with the modernist society and discovered even the buildings and areas I didn't think much of are actually really interesting and now I love them. Manchester is definitely a place to live to appreciate it, when I just worked there it took a while to grow on me.
Where do you live now?
but if they accept my appeal to get my voluntary redundancy is accepted hoping to move to mancs by march.
But some friends are moving to London so :/
tough one, if you're used to London then it might seem really quiet. I guess applying for jobs in both cities could just be the lazy way of deciding - whichever jobs you like the look of most/get offered is the decider. I dunno, you might not even be looking for a new job.
Know this about Manchester - there's no avoiding other DiSsers, me included. That is not a threat (is a bit)
and I've avoided them for about 6 years so no danger there.
I'm hopingto have enough monies to start my own thingie
I am looking :)
about whether I needed help. I would but the problem is if I employed someone with similar musical tastes (which is needed too) it would defeat the purpose as I would need them to cover while I go off to fests (the same one they would want to go to probably).
So following in my uncle's successful tradition I'll stick with a gang of Eastern Europeans
I'm pretty povo though so I generally can't afford festivals
Same tastes eh, ARE YOU LISTENING TO SOME GIRLS BY ULTIMATE KAOS AS WELL?!
The whole Londoner's being unfriendly thing is a myth, or is at least no more true than people from Birmingham or Leeds being unfriendly. I've got lots of unsubstantiated anecdotes to back this up too. A teenager in a HOODY once offered to pay my bus fare because he thought I didn't have any money, for example.
Manchester's biggest sin is that it uses London as a benchmark for its own success and then gets all bitter about being inferior. The local press are the most guilty of this. The local media and a select few media personalities really do the city no favours when they constantly bang on about former glories. Thankfully this trend is diminishing.
Manchester is a great place that I am proud to call my home despite not being from these parts, but London is a world city. It is a fantastic place. Comparing the two isn't fair, apples oranges.
Other UK cities that I like include Glasgow, Bristol, Liverpool, Edinburgh and Brighton.
As much as I don't like to plan I do plan to live in Glasgow or maybe Edinburgh for a year at some point. I'd like to find a job now, save loads, travel as long as poss then come back to a city I hardly know - Glasgow is my first choice.
^LOVES PLANNING REALLY.
or it draws in horrible people.
My experience of other cities has been much better
i don't think i've found a common conception to be more true than londonders being largely unfriendly.
but too many hills.
ditto for Bristol.
I love Manchester, I really do, its a great city. It has tonnes to do, loads of great football teams, bands, and nights. There are great people knocking about, and great gigs. I love living here, and it'd be hard to give up. The transport is ok depending on where you live, and its nowhere near as expensive as London.
I want to move to London eventually though. Most of the things that I like about manchester are present in London, and it has the bonus of being a huge city. I really enjoy going to London, and I reckon that its probably going to draw me away someday.
Really though, I think that we can just take that Manchester is 10 times better than Birmingham.
wasn't a bad 10 years I suppose.
Well i'm checking out mancs between 23rd -29th.
Is anything good on or would eerything be closed down for the holz and shit?
there'll be stuff going on, but yeah, it'll be pretty quiet before christmas. Sonic Youth are playing on the 29th. I'll be up for a pint.
Cos I want to go but I thought I'd be in the lakes.
I will also be up for a drink...
dang. I have a ticket though, and I'm going
so it's of no help to me.
for the New year show.
btw I was sat behind you in pizza hut at ATP. Bizzy didn't introduce us :/
I was not really with it that day anyway. Did you enjoy it?
but one of the best yeh
so I didn't bother with most of it myself!!
anything decent on 30th? something low key before nye...
DON'T LEAVE ME
We were considering looking down there just cos I'm having no luck with jobs here, and adam's nan's house would be lying empty so we could stay there but now his brother and his gf are staying there instead so it's kind of put that plan to bed... I think :(
back to manchester
but i've never really visited any other city. except preston.
London is very good.
for 7 years since coming here for uni 10 years ago and I've not been tempted to move anywhere else, even though a couple of times I've left jobs with nothing else lined up so theoretically could have if i'd wanted.
but I was there every other weekend for 4 years and always had a good time.
London has it's advantages, but I think it'd be easy to feel overwhelmingly, crushingly alone there.
Bristol and Brighton get my vote.
I v.much like Bristol but the hills..again..But I do like it
that's kinda true, it's a very YOUNG place
so may as well go to London if it's a choice of the two.
live in Manchester, visit London and hoping to move there within in the next few years. London looks the best mostly because it has the most stuff. Manchester and Glasgow both great cities. All pretty scary places though. Great post.
found a knife outside the MRI the other day. weird people hanging outside my house selling drugs etc.
But unless its to do a specific job or to study, or because of a relationship, is this not just a selfish way of building up a collection of people to come visit you from elsewhere?
An odd way of looking at it, no?
but I genuinely think, everything considered, now is an awful time to be trying to live there.
I'm not saying it's impossible to survive, just that - for the first time since I moved there in 2003 it genuinely feels really really expensive. The rental market is approaching a huge bottleneck as people who would've bought can't get mortgages so are staying in rentals/houseshares - £600/month for a room in a new houseshare isn't uncommon these days - and there have been loads of stories in the local press recently about estate agents taking silent bids for rental properties from prospective tenants.
Add in to the huge cuts in social programmes and the possible effects those might have over the next year...
The figure I quoted is one where you could successfully insulate yourself from most of this, not a guideline amount you need to live here.
Basically I just think if there's a choice between earning £25k in London or a lower (but similar, adjusted to local prices) amount in another city, I'd probably go with the other city right now. London's always required some kind of sacrifice, I just don't think what it's asking right now is worth the pay off.
or have it more chilled out in and feel slightly less in the thick of things in manchester. I live in leeds in a 1000 square foot appartment in a really nice area working 4 days a week earning about 25k a year for those 4 days work. In london id need to earn alot more and thus work 5 days a week and not be able to live in as nice a place.
make your choice, i'll be moving to London for a couple of years at some point in the next 5 im sure but it'll be just for the experience for a few years not as a long term thing.
People in london are more guarded at first. but ultimately, they are just as friendly once you get them warmed up a bit.
I partied far harder inManchester than I have been doing since i moved to london in the summer. Manchestr has a very tight knit and pretty inviting 'scene'. And even to call it a scene is pertentious and a misnomer. there are some gerat people to hang ou with in a variety of ares of Manchester and loads of great bands and exhibitions. It's not teh best for restaurants, but it's ok, and things are reaosnably priced. I grew up in Glasgow, but Manchester is the first place that has felt like 'home' to me. Possibly my favourite city in the UK (sorry Glasgow).
I am loving London, and I think I have adapted to it quite well. I don't feel we are necessarily making the most out of our time here, mainly because of the constraints of having busy working weeks, and weekends which are taken up with visitng friends and family. But it is very early days- I was working out today that I've only been here 4 months and 2 days! Next year I'm looking forward to getting out and about and seeing a bit more of the city, and also to moving somewhere leafier where I can have puppie/kittens/ babies/alpacas, and most importantly, trying to build up a circle of friends that is as close as the ones I left behind in manchester/ glasgow. I can't wait, and there's no looking back :)
That's all very personal to me though, and probably doesn't help you, dearest countzero.
I know you have friends coming down here and you will possibly miss some of the scale of london, but if I was in your position I wouldn't hesitate. That money in your back pocket from the redunandancy will go so much further in manchester where things are just quite simply better value. And if you don't have the time of your life in the process, then you don't have a pulse mate.
and it kind of feels like never never land in the center of it all. You don't have to do anything but simply keep partying if you have the cash and the energy.
But, and this is based ENTIRELY on close friends there, it feels like once people hit 30 -if they've lived there for a while - they begin to become restless, and either push this doubt away by partying even harder or start looking to move elsewhere.
Going back recently, a lot of my favourite people, many of whom are the endless partyers, were looking exhausted and weary, almost sort of saying to themselves "at what point does this stop?"
This is a weird observation I suppose, and in truth I've only seen a narrow spectrum of it all so far. I love Manchester, and think you'll utterly love it as well, but I end up feeling off-kilter there after a while. Idiosyncratic me, I guess.
London is awesome
Only been to Manchester a couple of times but it seemed pretty tops.
I do have to say though, as someone who has lived in London their entire life, it's pretty grating when people are like "Oh I came to London once and someone was rude - ALL LONDONERS ARE CUNTS"
and thought that there are a shit load of rude types there. There are loads in Manchester as well, its just that in london, there are more in concentrated areas.
I, for one, am stunned
the thread title is a general question, which can't really be answered, and shouldn't be either. ths content of teh post however shows that he has a genuine dilemma about whether to stay or go. not that that ever stops DiS from going off on its own interpretation, of course :D
all londoners are cunts for the most part.
is that London's population is about 90% future yummy-mummies from the Home Counties, immigrants and northerners with huge fucking chips on their shoulders.